Explosion synthesis

[chico]

Ok, so we all know that Explosion has been blackballed in the Netherlands. However, becauseits main ingredient Methylone, a"Research Chemical", is still somewhat under the radar in other countries and not illegal, one would think that someone would want to create a new type of Explosion, or something similar, yet keeping the main ingredient intact.


One would think that all someone needs is a nice healthy amount of Methylone. Accompanyingingredients could be chosen at random.Clearly, one can still buy Methylone from various sources around the web, right?.


Therefore, are there going to be somepeople/chemists stepping up and brewing together their own odorisers or various, similar products until Methylone gets whacked?


Thoughts/ideas/suggestions?

[nanobrain]

whats your question? are profit-minded blenders even now devising schemes to mass market exotic unscheduled psychedelics? you betcha.

are some of them going round in circles trying to think up clever brand names? yes.

are some making adulterated, inactive and otherwise bogus versions in their roach-infested kitchen sinks? of course.

suggestion for methylone users: dont bother with bathtub blends and carayzee concoctions, stick to the pure compound, which should be tested with at least Marquis and Mandelin.Edited by: nanobrain

[meemeemee]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

whats your question? are profit-minded blenders even now devising schemes to mass market exotic unscheduled psychedelics? you betcha.

are some of them going round in circles trying to think up clever brand names? yes.

are some making adulterated, inactive and otherwise bogus versions in their roach-infested kitchen sinks? of course.

suggestion for methylone users: dont bother with bathtub blends and carayzee concoctions, stick to the pure compound, which should be tested with at least Marquis and Mandelin.

Can I ask how to test with these kits? I thought these kits were for MDMA. What reaction would Methylone have?

[radiometer]

Methylone turns yellow with Marquis reagent, and so does dried-out
Explosion.


Ditto Nanobrain. Why adulterate perfectly good methylone? The only
advantage to Explosion was the price.

What we need is for some vendor to pick up on wherever the Explosion
guys were getting their methylone, and offer it in grams for a less
rapacious price than is now being charged.

[chico]

I guess the advantage of buying Explosion was not only price but the fact that ordering large quantities, say 100, was not a scary thing to do. I mean, we were ordering room odorizers NOT drugs, right?


SWIM ordered Explosions and had them delivered with no problems. Because Explosion contains (approx.) 250 mg Methylone, one would have to order lots of it just to get the same quantity.


I don't know about you but I'd rather order room odorizers than order grams of a RC that comes in native form. This, after reading quite a few conversations that people don't usually order more than 1 g of any RC (2ci, etc.)


I totally get what you guys are saying about purity and testing though. With Explosion, you're swallowing some additives that aren't organ-friendly.Edited by: nanobrain

[radiometer]

I think that that is a very optimistic attitude towards the drug warriors.
Some people get kilos of coke in the mail, it doesn't mean it's safe.

Here's a hypothetical situation:

If they had done a controlled delivery of those 100 bottles, charged SWIC
with importation of an analog of a controlled substance, and then
seized SWIC's computer, wouldn't they have found a bit of chat on SWIC's
hard drive, or bulletin board accounts, about using methylone, or perhaps
at least browser history pointing to sites providing information on
methylone, plus the fact that it is included in Explosion?

This would most likely toss any "room odorizer, OMG it was a drug?"
argument out the window if SWIC got to a trial. Then SWIC would be
facing the same problem as if they bought the equivalent in methylone
powder (or MDMA, MDA, or methcathinone, whichever the prosecutors'
pet scientists decided was "substantially similar").

Anyway, hey - SWIM felt fairly comfy importing a bit of room odorizer.
But I wanted you to look at it from this perspective, also. SWIMs way of
going about things is probably too lax as well. But SWIM would still
balk at buying 100 room odorizers at one time.Edited by: radiometer

[chico]

Originally Posted by radiometer

I think that that is a very optimistic attitude towards the drug warriors.
Some people get kilos of coke in the mail, it doesn't mean it's safe.

Here's a hypothetical situation:

If they had done a controlled delivery of those 100 bottles, charged SWIC
with importation of an analog of a controlled substance, and then
seized SWIC's computer, wouldn't they have found a bit of chat on SWIC's
hard drive, or bulletin board accounts, about using methylone, or perhaps
at least browser history pointing to sites providing information on
methylone, plus the fact that it is included in Explosion?

This would most likely toss any "room odorizer, OMG it was a drug?"
argument out the window if SWIC got to a trial. Then SWIC would be
facing the same problem as if they bought the equivalent in methylone
powder.

Anyway, hey - SWIM felt fairly comfy importing a bit of room odorizer.
But I wanted you to look at it from this perspective, also. SWIMs way of
going about things is probably too lax as well. But SWIM would still
balk at buying 100 room odorizers at one time.

All points well taken, radiometer.


However, in this case, I can honestly say that SWIM is actually "someone who is not me". This SWIM does not go to any forums that I know of and talk about this subject on his computer. Therefore, incriminating evidence would have been hard to find.But you're right, if he were to have been rung up by authorities, 100 room odorizers would have definitely raised some eyebrows.

[nanobrain]

problem is, your explosion is finished-form, ie consumer dose. the legal implications would be more severe in this case vs powder, since intent to distribute would be an easy case.

[nanobrain]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Methylone turns yellow with Marquis reagent, and so does dried-out
Explosion.

Marquis: methylone turns clear piss yellow after 30 seconds. so does dried explosion extract, but slower and with tiny random red specks.

Mandelin: methylone fizzes violently on contact with the reagent and turns a deep orange after 60 seconds. dried explosion extract did not fizzle but immediately turned an olivish green, to fade to orange in 60 seconds, with random tiny green specks.

[chico]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

problem is, your explosion is finished-form, ie consumer dose. the legal implications would be more severe in this case vs powder, since intent to distribute would be an easy case.

But how would they be able to prove that SWIMwas using it to ingest or to distribute-to-ingest when the bottle shows the same warnings that other products in stores contain?


You're right though about ordering that many. It sure would show "something" is up. I get that.

[Alfa]

Buying per 250 mg's does exclude the problem that a lot of people are to lazy to get a proper scale, which in turn excludes dosing errors, thus overdoses, thus extra media attention.