Comparison 5-meo-mipt(Moxy) & 5-meo-dipt (Foxy methoxy)

[Sick Jack]

Hi folk,

Does anyone tried both compounds ? I personnaly only tried 5-meo-dipt, aka Foxy Methoxy, and would be glad to hear any experienced person on the topic.

Have a nice day and thanks for your feedbacks !

[sunyata]

5-meo-Dipt had too much body-load and very little psychedelic effects for me. Mundane visuals and very little going on in the mind. I've tried both orally and smoked, body-load was too much in all cases.


I've only tried 5-meo-Mipt two times, one was at 4mg(no effect) and the other was 10mg. Very little body-load, some nausea during the come-up, but it quickly faded. Interesting cognitive effects, similar to mushrooms.


To sum it up: I thought Foxy sucked while 5-meo-Mipt was very interesting, allthough I think a higher dose would be in order.


A very fine day to you too.

[Sick Jack]

Hi Sunyata,

Thanks for your interesting comment !

[GDxCAT]

I didnt experience any bodyload with 5 meo dipt and found the high to
be pretty euphoric. I also had lots of sexual energy while on it. After
trying it i thought it was the tryptamines answer to MDMA.

But then i tried 5 meo mipt, which was better in everyway. Not only was
there no bodyload but the body high was actually pretty nice. The
euphoria exceded that of 5 meo dipt as did the sexual energy. Also,
although there wasnt much going on in the way of visuals it was still
far more visual than foxy and also had more psychedelic thought
patterns.



5 meo mipt > 5 meo dipt

[Isochrist]

I've tried 5-MeO-DiPT around 5 times, ranging from 10mg to 25.


I too, like many others found that the body load was overwhelming and not worth the pyschadelic effects. The one interesting thing I obtained though, was some auditory hallucinations. I know that DiPT is almost all auditory hallicinations, and apparantly some of that is retained in the 5-MeO version.


I'd be interested to know if anyone else experience similar effects. (sorry, I know I sort of got off topic)

[allyourbase]

they dont compare.

[trptamene]

bump... (note: this thread is almost two years old and many of the above responses were posted before certain rules regarding self incrimination were enforced, although it IS a good idea for these posters to edit their posts so that they are not admitting to taking these substances.

Alfa, Can't this info be used against you personally? I know this is why you have the rules regarding self-incrimination as you could be held responsible? I really feel that many of these older posts need to be edited despsarately...the legality regarding RC's has been becoming more restricted over the past years so it is becoming more important for us to keep safe)

FYI: 5-meo-mipt=moxy 5-meo-dipt=foxy

swim would like to know more responses to this question. Who else has experience to both of these? A detailed comparison and analysis of the effects and how the effects of each change with the dose (i.e. what are the dose-response curves for both of these compounds, how do they compare?) I am offering 10+ rep points to anyone that can post a good comparison of these two.

In particular this thread is about 2 years old and my inclination is that moxy has become moree available relative to foxy due to their differences in legality.

Also, swim really hopes more answers to this question come and would like to see a poll added if there is any interest in this thread.

Originally Posted by allyourbase

they dont compare.

Can you elaborate on this? Is this unique to swiy's response? Did other lab animals have similar response?

[Sick Jack]

Concerning the 5-meo-dipt sound distortions, during my last experience sound was really strange too. Mild, but something was not going "normally".

But the strangest distortions/hallucions came for me from mexican shrooms, not hawaiians... Several times I had the impression that a gnome was whispering behind my ears, whispering ununderstable things, with the impression that it must have a sense...

[Eirias]

I have yet to try the MIPT version, but I have had very profound
experiences on higher doses of 5-MeO-DIPT (20-25mg.). My partner
and I did a zen meditation exercise in the desert which we sat across
from one another and gazed into each other's eyes-- we were transforned
into a myriad of Jungian archetypal forms, from deities to mythical
creatures, to elders to children. It was among the most
incredible entheogenic experiences I have ever had. I do concur
that there is a fairly significant body load component to the trip, but
I found that the ingestion of a small amount of some type of stimulant
(i.e. like a small dose of dexedrine) during the "alert" phase helped
with this a great deal. It is also rather difficult to articulate
one's thoughts at the higher dose levels.

At lower doses, foxy IMO produces mostly tactile effects and "tryptamine giggles".

[snapper]

SWIM doesn't really care about the rep points, but SWIM's lab assistant has assayed both extensively in primate models and is in a good place to compare. Note these are all subjective observations from the lab baboon colony SWIM's lab assistant used in assays. Note also that the baboons broke out of the lab, raided a local gun / sporting good shop and are hiding out in the woods. They are therefore unconcerned about self-incrimination. Standard disclaimer that other lab animals may have different experiences.

Duration - moxy lasts longer than foxy (8-10 hrs vs 4-6hrs)
Onset - about the same 30-60min
bodyload - worse with foxy. Though SWIM's primates did not have as much trouble as reported by others, nausea, diarrhea, tremors, anxiety and headaches are common complaints. SWIM found that there were occasional bowel loosening effects (as with most tryptamines in the baboon) but none of the others. It did feel more 'dirty'.
Moxy has mostly overstimulation as an adverse side-effect, and is overall more stimulating and has more pronounced tactile effects than foxy. SWIM has occasional sharp kidney / back pains with foxy, but none with moxy yet.
At lower doses, foxy is much more prosexual and sex-enhancing than moxy, though both are to some extent. There is more of a mood lift with moxy - foxy is more neutral. Both have mild CEVs and no OEVs at lower doses.
At higher doses, moxy is more hallucinogenic. The visuals are more pronounced and have more depth and substance. It also has a very strong tactile effect. Higher doses of foxy are easier to handle due to less cumulative stimulation, but carry a worse body load. SWIM felt that foxy topped off in it's effects by 15 mg and the rest was mostly an increase in side-effects. Moxy is more linear in effects as the dose gets higher and can be pushed farther, though the stimulation gets overwhelming.
SWIM's baboons like moxy better, but they miss low dose foxy for sex. However, they are currently more preoccupied with home-invasion style robberies of the zoo commisary to pillage monkey chow.

Reputation Comments on this post:

As promised anyways. Thanks. Exactly what my lab rab wanted to know.

[trptamene]

More comparisons of moxy and foxy courtesy of snapper from above:

Originally Posted by snapper

SWIM doesn't really care about the rep points, but SWIM's lab assistant has assayed both extensively in primate models and is in a good place to compare. Note these are all subjective observations from the lab baboon colony SWIM's lab assistant used in assays. Note also that the baboons broke out of the lab, raided a local gun / sporting good shop and are hiding out in the woods. They are therefore unconcerned about self-incrimination. Standard disclaimer that other lab animals may have different experiences.

Duration - moxy lasts longer than foxy (8-10 hrs vs 4-6hrs)
Onset - about the same 30-60min
bodyload - worse with foxy. Though SWIM's primates did not have as much trouble as reported by others, nausea, diarrhea, tremors, anxiety and headaches are common complaints. SWIM found that there were occasional bowel loosening effects (as with most tryptamines in the baboon) but none of the others. It did feel more 'dirty'.
Moxy has mostly overstimulation as an adverse side-effect, and is overall more stimulating and has more pronounced tactile effects than foxy. SWIM has occasional sharp kidney / back pains with foxy, but none with moxy yet.
At lower doses, foxy is much more prosexual and sex-enhancing than moxy, though both are to some extent. There is more of a mood lift with moxy - foxy is more neutral. Both have mild CEVs and no OEVs at lower doses.
At higher doses, moxy is more hallucinogenic. The visuals are more pronounced and have more depth and substance. It also has a very strong tactile effect. Higher doses of foxy are easier to handle due to less cumulative stimulation, but carry a worse body load. SWIM felt that foxy topped off in it's effects by 15 mg and the rest was mostly an increase in side-effects. Moxy is more linear in effects as the dose gets higher and can be pushed farther, though the stimulation gets overwhelming.
SWIM's baboons like moxy better, but they miss low dose foxy for sex. However, they are currently more preoccupied with home-invasion style robberies of the zoo commisary to pillage monkey chow.

[Durd1e]

SWIM has found both foxy and moxy equal in the erotic department but much prefers moxy overall due to the lesser body load and the interesting slightly dissociative visuals in the second half of the trip.

[EntheogenicTruth]

OHHH now swim is all hung up about moxy! he just ordered a gram of foxy which he tried before but now he thinks he should have ordered 5-meo-mipt. oh well he will have fun with foxy and his foxy lady together.

[Samadhi]

Foxy is very toxic to swim. the visuals are very pastel and almost melty. THe body feel is tactile but always made swim in a very odd euphoria toxicity. The overall effect is toxic and kind of uncomfortable to swim.

Moxy is clean, it's almost a heavy feeling to swim, it feels very natural and tingly and great with music. Less visuals until the 15+milligram range but once there swim gets very intense colorful visuals.

Foxy loses to moxy in this swimmers opinion.
foxy is so nice, clean and extra tingly.

[halftone]

swim has tried moxy 3 times now at 6mg, 8mg, & 9mg... he didn't get much more than a body tingle - but he said he was put off by the strange tightness he experienced in his muscles each time (particularily his legs). It was a different kind of muscle tightness that some of the 2c-'s give him at times... it became almost annoying after a few hours.

Reputation Comments on this post:

thx for sharing

[Schwag]

My friend says:
Having experienced both, I feel Moxy is better than Foxy. Foxy is nice, but the body load brings it down to a second place for sure. I felt the euphoria of Foxy was more chemical feeling. Where as the euphoria of Moxy was much more organic, like I was noticing the euphoria that was already there. I didn't get any visuals from foxy. On Moxy, I noticed a overlay shimmer every so often. The shimmer would sort of fade in and out. There was also breathing with Moxy, nothing drastic, but still noticeable. Music sounded good on both, except I enjoyed music more on Moxy than on Foxy. Foxy, similar to MDMA, made the music sound good. Moxy on the other hand, made me feel like I was finally realizing parts of my music that was really good. I find this to be somewhat of a trend with Moxy. It made me realize the beauty that was already there. I just wasn't looking at it the right way, hearing it the right way, whatever. Where as Foxy created a fake-feeling, although enjoyable euphoria. I found it giving sound that sort of, muffled effect. Similar to, except toned way down, with what MDMA does to sound for me. That's the best I can think up to explain it.

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Interesting.

[trogger]

I run a giant panda breeding programme and pandas, as you know, can be incredibly difficult to mate. my pandas just want to know which (foxy or moxy) acts as a better aphrodIsiac?

in pihkal, shulgin raves about 2c-b in that regard, but in tihkal suggests that Foxy may be better than 2c-b. moxy is also stated to be 'erotic' in tihkal.

My Pandas just wanna know which is best?

[trptamene]

I think it depends on the person. You could ask three different ppl and get three different answers.

[trogger]

Originally Posted by trptamene

I think it depends on the person. You could ask three different ppl and get three different answers.

Hmmm... does there appear to be any difference in (erotic) potential of these compounds ( foxy/moy) between male pandas and female pandas?

(My male panda has tried 2c-b but wasn't all that impressed with it and doubted Shulgins original claims re this particular compound)

[snapper]

Foxy is probably better for the panda's activities but carries a greater body load which may detract from the panda bump and grind. SWIM finds many tryptamines to be erotic at low doses; DPT comes to mind...
Both 5meos become less erotic as the dose increases due to the distraction from body load and psychedelic effects. MDPV and 5meoMIPT is a personal erotic enhancement favorite for SWIM's sea cucumber colony...

[trptamene]

Any note of route* (ie smoked vs oral) ?

[snapper]

Referring to SWIM's experiences, all were oral.

[Durd1e]

Ditto for my swim. However, he does know someone who has smoked it and said it was a bit overwhelming but takes a higher dose to be active.

[snapper]

Reports of smoking sound like 5meodmt. SWIM likes the oral effects better than SWIM would enjoy 5meoDMT... SWIM may try it someday just for the hell of it. Does it need to be converted to FB. SWIM's rats have HCl salt.

[Samadhi]

It does not need to be converted into freebase, one can vaporize the chemical in its HCl form, The dosage is as everyone seems to know 15-22mg. The experience is something else, ask RXbandit, his lab-animals experimented with it.