Side effects - residual / lingering effects and flashbacks after Salvia divinorum use

[Mystopia2000]

When swim was on his first hard Salvia trip, and lost his memory, he thought that what he was experiencing was a true and eternal reality. Swim didn't have a good time on the trip so the thought of being stuck in this reality forever gave Swim the deepest fear he's ever felt. Just thinking back to that moment of fear and it's underlying cause still makes Swim feel very afraid. Swim just wanted to share this unrational fear and see if any Swiy's have the same fear.

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	the thread title is misleading
	grossly misleading! post was not consistant with its title.
	Good Thread Content - Something that needs to be discussed.
	Title wasn't misleading SWIM new what SWIY meant, you wouldnt be on a computer if you were permanently fryed.
	rep+ for helping SWIM regain some grip on reality...

[Rhin]

Many people who smoke salvia feel that they will never come back SWIM has even fealt this himself but you have to realize you will eventually, you should never fight against a salvia trip you it will scare you.

[cra$h]

ah, swim's last salvia trip was like this. He had mixed it with some acid, and once he got his 2nd hit, everything was synically laughing and all he thought was "what the fuck did I just do?" But once he layed down, he went with the flow, and it was the best trip yet. Rhin has the right idea. Go with the flow. Same with any other drug.

swim'll probablly get nagged at for this advice, but swim's being honest. Trip again, with a less potent X. If swim tried 80x, go for 20x. Trip in the day, outside in a safe beautiful spot and just enjoy it. Face the fear and you'll realize there's nothing to worry about. This aversion will haunt swiy forever until it's conquered (sp?).

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good advice

[rhcpeppers1234]

Swim thinks most people who do salvia more then a few times experience this at least once. Swim had it happen to him, and will never do salvia again. Scariest shit ever

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM also had this the very first time he smoked salvia. Everything went black, all his friends dissapeared and then his whole body and mind started tearing to pieces and being spread over a never ending crazy new dimension filled with flying cartoon houses. SWIM completely forgot he had smoked the salvia and thought that this was the real world and everything before had been a dream. Scary at the time but really cool upon reflection.

SWIM has done salvia a lot of times since and doesn't really like it that much. Too brutal, nasty body high, always gets really bad deja vu with it and there are much better psychedelics out there like DMT.

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Great trip description! Helpful to inquirer.

[Euthanatos93420]

Swim has the same feeling on saliva...unfortunately it's a lie.The world of Salvia makes much more sense than the real world he is forced back into.

[AboveTime]

SWIM also has experienced this. He says its like waking up from a dream.. except the dream is your life and you are now in the true reality. SWIM spend what seemed like eternity in another world of chaos.

The trick really is to "let go". The problem is even when you research this before hand SWIY doesn't really know what "letting go" means. SWIM finds you have to experience "holding on" before you can "let go"...

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Great, helpful advice!

[Euthanatos93420]

It's letting go of identity. It's a fear of death. One can feel the Ego Loss coming on.

[Potter]

Someone crossed The Bridge of Smoke and didn't have a good time? Maybe next time they'll do some more research and realize that's pretty much to be expected, Salvia is not a recreational substance.

What sort of set and setting did this take place in?

If it wasn't a quiet dark room with a few close, trusted friends, this isn't surprising, if it in anyway resembled any of the youtube videos, this is to be expected. On the other hand if it was a quiet dark room, this is probably a good indication that salvia is not a sacrament one should be indulging in. Abject fear and hopelessness is not something that should be repeated. The Sage Bitch comes down hard on those who take her lightly, and those that ignore her warnings get their asses kicked into the next eternity.

Maybe it's worth trying again, but if the issues come up again, be responsible and call it quits. There is NEVER shame in not doing something that you can't handle (unless it's tying your shoes), but to repeatedly abuse yourself, is the deepest disrespect a person can have for themselves.

[Vocotrash829]

SWIM made the stupid mistake of having his first journey at a party, with other substances in SWIM's system.

SWIM thought he saw a singularity form before his eyes which would devour the world and had already taken his face off into its orbit.

This is not a recreational substance like Marijuana. This gives a profoundly spiritual experience that should be respected, and done in the same context as say, meditation. Cool, calm, collected, and with trusted friends. SWIY should not let one bad experience jade SWIY, but perhaps should use a less powerful extract.

[warpedvision]

Swim took salvia for 5 weeks straight (every day, x5, 1-2 bowls) for anesthetic properties, now it's been 7 weeks and the effects
are the same minus the main trip. swims personality changed a lot and memory became erased a lot, swim can't remember much at all from his past only fragments, and over all feels extremely out of it and gone, and in another dimension, ears hum slightly still from time to time, and head feels heavy to the point where swim just gazes like a retard at the wall while on the computer for a few minutes. how long does it usually last before all these effects wear off on average? or does it sound like something else was in the salvia and this isn't salvia? swim remembers black resin in the salvia that felt different than salvia, and at times overbearing with power.

hydroxyzine hci was the only other drug taken at the time, in normal dosages for medical reasons.

[AboveTime]

Its sometimes difficult for SWIY to know what reality is real and whats not. My advice to SWIY would be to just accept this reality as the real one or at least the one the one you belong to. SWIY should go out with friends and get on with life the way he normally did before. The state of mind SWIY has at the moment will persist aslong as SWIY lets it.

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by warpedvision

Swim took salvia for 5 weeks straight (every day, x5, 1-2 bowls) for anesthetic properties, now it's been 7 weeks and the effects
are the same minus the main trip. swims personality changed a lot and memory became erased a lot, swim can't remember much at all from his past only fragments, and over all feels extremely out of it and gone, and in another dimension, ears hum slightly still from time to time, and head feels heavy to the point where swim just gazes like a retard at the wall while on the computer for a few minutes. how long does it usually last before all these effects wear off on average? or does it sound like something else was in the salvia and this isn't salvia? swim remembers black resin in the salvia that felt different than salvia, and at times overbearing with power.

hydroxyzine hci was the only other drug taken at the time, in normal dosages for medical reasons.

Sorry if this isn't the most helpful response, but why in the world did this person do such a thing???? Did they think that they could get away with it scot-free? It's a pretty damn intense effect - obviously doing it over and over again for weeks at a time is going to do _something_!!! I have heard stories of people becoming "salvia zombies," but I didn't think it was true. It's good to hear that it is, and that getting there involves excessively foolish behaviour. Seriously, what was he thinking? 175 Salvia trips is more than most users will do _in their lives_, and this person did it in a little over a _month_!!!!

Has he stopped smoking the sage yet? I get the impression from this post that he hasn't. If so, make him stop immediately! Really, recommend that he stop using drugs altogether. This was extremely irresponsible. Salvia tends to be a drug that makes people not want to do it again, I can't imagine what would happen if this person were introduced to opiates, or mephedrone, or crack!

Black resin in salvia is not unusual, at least in the extracts. "at times overpowering" isn't unusual at all either - that's how salvia is! At times, it is overpowering. This is why people don't usually do it five times a day for weeks on end. These effects are _not_ normal, however they are not particularly surprising, considering the apparently extreme abuse of this medicine that seems to have occurred.

Salvia demands respect. This person has clearly abused it, and seems to be reaping what he has sown.

Stop taking drugs, take a step back, try to straighten out your life. Wait. I have no idea how long it might take to get back to normalcy, but I would not be too surpised if it took months or years. Then again I wouldn't be too suprised if it only took a few weeks. Wait, try to clear your head. Don't take drugs anymore.

Sorry if this post is repetitive, but I'm trying to make myself clear.

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Smart words. I hope the swimmer gets the message.

[Lucy]

Perhaps swim has a predisposed medical condition that salvia made lactose intolerant peoples bodies aware of . There's a really good blog about the idea of that at freshsalvia.com/blog

[Alias: V]

Yeah I'm going to have to say that's a little mad. I heard a story of a person doing a self-experiment in which they smoked salvia once a day for two weeks straight and I think half way through the second week they were about ready to quit because of the striking changes in personality they were experiencing. I cannot even begin to believe what 5 weeks of daily salvia use would do to a person's internal system, but I also feel like Salvinorin A is benign enough in terms of how it affects the brain that the effects shouldn't last, as long as this SWIY takes a break and gets on with life.

I'm still sitting here trying to figure out how someone could smoke salvia for 5 weeks straight. WOW. But hey, thanks for the information, it's good to know how long term use effects people. I just hope the effects aren't permanant.

[troywhalen]

Well, one time SWIM took a hit of salvia, and it was the best experience of SWIM's life. Lately though, whenever SWIM is laying in bed or just sitting somewhere, they get a really weird feeling around their whole body, almost like an out-of-body feeling and they feel like they are floating, just for a couple seconds.

This is how SWIM's salvia trip was, and he was wondering if salvia flashbacks do exist, or what is happening to SWIM right now.

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

Salvia from what I heard, isn't technically a psychedelic so you can't have flashbacks, but is from a group of psychoactives that change thought and perception. Other psychoactive plants in this group are cannabis, calea zacatechichi, and catnip.

[polidelaiko]

Salvia flashbacks DO exist. SWIM used to smoke a lot of salvia 10 years ago, session after session, and after that, for a couple of hours, random things that had the feel of salvia-land popped in SWIM´s reality. For example, when trying to open a door, suddenly, and for a fraction of a second, he would see the same clockwork machine he had seen before on salvia.
It wasnt such a big deal, as he was doing it so often because he really liked the effects, so the flashbacks were more than welcome.

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Good post from experience

[cra$h]

Last night actually swim had these waves comming over him, like how salvia feels when gravity gets intense, but it felt more like the psywaves you get off mushrooms, could be either one. But as far as salvia specific? Swim had tripped in his bed once, and when swim's laying in his bed, he feels like his arms are around something, just like how he felt on the salvia trip. They're just now starting to not occur nightly, but still present. Plus swim is reminded just by laying inthe usual position.

[cra$h]

Swim's never had a visual flashback, and if it was visual, it was inspired by the physical aspect. He's experienced the sensation of a drug while completely sober, which is what I and most consider to be flashback. The physicality is often over looked, if not completely neglected even though it's more common (and to swim more profound) than the visual ones.

[DaveDaPsychonaut]

Salvia, cannabis, calea, and catnip are considered psychedelics by many, but they are different, perhaps another type of psychedelic. What these substances have in common as far as I know is that they all improve slow wave sleep, while other psychedelics from what I heard don't.

(Since I don't have 50 posts yet, I can't post the link)

Cognodysleptics. Drugs that induce changes in thought (discontinuity, flight of ideas, retrieval difficulties, reference, sense of time disruption), imagination (proliferation, vividness, shifting, automatic scenes), and affective functions (well being, euphoria, hilarity). Prototypes: Marijuana (THC) and other terpene-containing plants such as Salvia divinorum, Calea zacatechichi, Nepeta cataria. Ethnobotanical uses: Short-term divination, Oneiromancy.

[chillinwill]

Teotzlcoatl, why do you disagree about those being flashbacks?