Dose - San Pedro dose inquiry

[Abandhana]

Hi all,

SWIM has tried the San Pedro tea extraction method for the recommended one dose (30cm cutting) with little effect. SWIM experiments with other ethenogens for personal discovery so SWIM tried the same extraction with double the recommended dose (2x 30cm cutting) of San Pedro. This resulted in an enjoyable, euphoric experience. SWIM would like to share this experience with SWIM's peers.

SWIM recommends the double dose-potency tea for his peers but has also been informed that mescaline has a lethal dose and is unsure of the consequences of preparing the (2x)tea and combining it altogether in one container. Will this compound the potency to ?x the recommended potency?

SWIM has prepared the double doses for each peer individually but combined the doses into one container with the intention of dividing it up equally among the peers and himself. However, SWIM may be concerned with the potency of all the teas combined despite the divided proportions.

There are eight 30cm cuttings altogether. Will this bode badly for SWIM and his peers?

Thank you

[Drats]

Better SWIY should put that stuff on a scale. Regular 100 grams fresh or 10 grams dried contain 100mg mescaline, BUT the content of each cactus can vary heavily, depending on how the cactus had been grown, sun, stress, water, fertilizer, age, etc.
The LD50 from mescaline is about 1500 mg, but SWIM said that 1000mg or a similar dosage would lead to such a strong experience, that it wouldn´t be enjoyable anymore.
There is also a newer dosage discussion going on:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25884
ok it´s about dried cacti, but it gives an idea how it could work and how much. Also SWIY can exchange the dosage with 10x, 20 grams=200 grams fresh and so on

[jtb]

Originally Posted by Abandhana

Hi all,

SWIM has tried the San Pedro tea extraction method for the recommended one dose (30cm cutting) with little effect. SWIM experiments with other ethenogens for personal discovery so SWIM tried the same extraction with double the recommended dose (2x 30cm cutting) of San Pedro. This resulted in an enjoyable, euphoric experience. SWIM would like to share this experience with SWIM's peers.

SWIM recommends the double dose-potency tea for his peers but has also been informed that mescaline has a lethal dose and is unsure of the consequences of preparing the (2x)tea and combining it altogether in one container. Will this compound the potency to ?x the recommended potency?

SWIM has prepared the double doses for each peer individually but combined the doses into one container with the intention of dividing it up equally among the peers and himself. However, SWIM may be concerned with the potency of all the teas combined despite the divided proportions.

There are eight 30cm cuttings altogether. Will this bode badly for SWIM and his peers?

Thank you

Based on your description i would say that one foot (30cm) of this said cactus contains around 125-175 mg of mescaline. This is a total guess though based on the limited info swiy gave about swiy's reactions to the two different doses. In re-reading your question i guess that isnt as relevant, but ill leave in it this response, hehe.

to answer your question, i imagine that the combined tea would form a pretty homogeneous mixture, meaning the alkaloids are spread evenly throughout the concoction. swiy likely has nothing to worry about as long as the doses are measured out correctly, just let swiy know to give it a good stir before dividing it. so with a tea made from 8 foot of this same cacti, if divided evenly and spread amongst four people, i am guessing that each person would ingest around 250-350mg of mescaline, which is on the conservative side.

however if swiy is using a different source for this cacti than the one originally used, there could be a large variation in alkaloid content. i hope swiy also compared the width of this trimmings to the ones originally ingested and considered that before making the tea. as said above, weighing the cacti before making it into tea would have been your best bet.

if i was theoretically doing this, and i was uneasy about potentially giving my peers too much snot tea, i would perhaps set aside 1/4th of the big batch and then divide the remaining 3/4ths up as you would have before. wait about an hour and a half and if anybody feels like they could use a boost they could take some of the remaining 25%. this could also help with the naseua. mescaline lasts long enough that a slight offset in dosing of two hours or less won't make a huge difference.

[Abandhana]

sound advice, thank you.

SWIM will likely have a cup and gauge the effects personally first. The cuttings are from the same location and the double dose was pleasantly mellow in comparison to other psychotropics with which SWIM and his peers are accustomed. A scale will be a definite near-future investment for SWIM.

on a side note:
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make this doubly awful tasting potion a bit more palatable?

Abandhana added 21 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

A bit more on the effects experienced with initial single dose and how it compared with the second:

One 30cm cutting of San Pedro taken in a remote, natural setting (SWIM's preference) did little beyond a notable mood elevation, a slight sensation in the legs, and an increase in focused imaginative thought. So bland was the experience that SWIM got restless and began hiking and climbing with no inhibitive effects. This experience lasted about 4-5 hours.

Two 30cm cuttings of San Pedro were more gratifying together. In the same setting, SWIM's euphoria made him laugh aloud to himself occasionally and smile almost constantly (part of this can be attributed to SWIM's natural disposition). Very pronounced waves allowed SWIM to relocate often, enlightening thoughts are common for SWIM and this was no exception either. No visuals or auditory alterations however. This experience lasted about 6-7 hours.

I'm hoping this is helpful in estimating the potency of each cutting.

[jtb]

it sounds like the dose of two cuttings is somewhere between 200-300mg, however, everybody has different reactions to different substances and what 200mg does for one person could be the same as what 350mg does for another. also keep in mind that the potency can vary significantly from cacti to cacti, even if they are near each other. for an average sized and average potency cacti, one 12" trimming would usually be a good first time dose for most people, so keep that in mind as well. there are just so many variables here which swiy isn't going to be able to figure out so i think swiy's best best it to just have everyone dose conservatively and wait a little over an hour and take it from there.

as for the taste, since it is already in tea form swiy doesn't have many options. steaming some of the excess water off is the best bet, that way you don't have to drink as much. the goods won't go anywhere as long as the water doesn't get boiling hot. if swiy still had the cacti swiy could dry it and soak the dried inner flesh in at least a 90% soltuion of isopropyl or ethanol alcohol for a few pulls and then evaporate the alcohol. it would be much easier to consume this way. there are threads about it if you search around

[Abandhana]

Very helpful all, I'm thankful.

SWIM and his peers have had to postpone the adventure. SWIM has frozen the contents (tea from eight 12" cuttings), expecting the "good stuff" to keep. Upon checking after a month, the tea has frozen level - as liquids do - but with a mound of brown extending over it and to one side. SWIM doubts this is mold, but certainly didn't expect to see the anomaly. SWIM wonders is this is normal with freezing the tea, and if the brown mound is concentrated "good stuff", now separated. SWIM will gladly be more specific if necessary, but please lend any information SWIM could use to sate his curiosity.

Thank you again…