Purity - first CWE

[Blazin]

SWIM did their first two CWEs over the past 3 days. A couple of questions they have; if the finished product is completely or nearly clear and very bitter does that mean you have been completely succesff, would doing the filteration in the fridge mean less paracetemol went through.

Also if you froze your mixture then let it filter as it melts would that improve the purity?

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM did their first two CWEs over the past 3 days. A couple of questions they have; if the finished product is completely or nearly clear and very bitter does that mean you have been completely succesff, would doing the filteration in the fridge mean less paracetemol went through.

If the solution is clear and you didn't use too much water then yes, it's a succesful CWE purity-wise.

Also if you froze your mixture then let it filter as it melts would that improve the purity?

Yes, it would probably reduce the amount of APAP that makes it through although the difference would most likely be unimportant and the time it would take would make the whole CWE process al lot more impractical than it already is.

[Blazin]

swim is thankful. he just wants to be safe as possible until he is confident over the process. so the solution being frozenw ouldnt affect the codeine?

also swim would like to know what is the ideal amount of water to use, he has being using around 2.5mls a pill (co-codomol 8/500) he thinks this is a good amount but is not sure.

swim's final question is should he use hot water when dissolving the pills he has seen alot of diffrent ideas on this and is not sure what to follow.

swim says thanks for your help.

[RoboCodeine7610]

swim is thankful. he just wants to be safe as possible until he is confident over the process. so the solution being frozenw ouldnt affect the codeine?

Freezing the solution and then putting it on the filter would make the codeine filter at the lowest temperature possible, which would probably decrease the amount of paracetamol that would make it though, although as I already said, It's not necesary and it would be a pain in the ass.

also swim would like to know what is the ideal amount of water to use, he has being using around 2.5mls a pill (co-codomol 8/500) he thinks this is a good amount but is not sure.

Swim thinks that's way too little.If you're gonna use that amount then you should probably rinse the APAP left in the filter with 30ml more to amximise your yield.

swim's final question is should he use hot water when dissolving the pills he has seen alot of diffrent ideas on this and is not sure what to follow.

Too hot, and you loose codeine, too cold and it won't dissolve properly.Swim always uses water slightly above room temp (~35C).

Hope that helps,

Robo

[Blazin]

swim says that has helped clarify what he was unsure about.

another thought swim has had is that if its crystal clear its at its purest. swim thinks this as he got pure paracetemol tablets and tryed to dissolve them in hot and cold water of varying amounts. all attempts where made after crushing the pills up. swim found that the paracetemol didnt dissolve very well at all and solution was cloudy all the time. is swim right in thinking this?

[RoboCodeine7610]

another thought swim has had is that if its crystal clear its at its purest. swim thinks this as he got pure paracetemol tablets and tryed to dissolve them in hot and cold water of varying amounts. all attempts where made after crushing the pills up. swim found that the paracetemol didnt dissolve very well at all and solution was cloudy all the time. is swim right in thinking this?

Well, if you did use pure paracetamol then yes, but you're not counting the water-insoluble binders and fillers present in the tablets.These are filtered out during a CWE which is why the solution is clear.This does not mean, however, that there's no paracetamol in the solution.

Paracemol IS somewhat soluble in water so for every 100ml you use you'd have about 1.4g of paracetamol dissolved.This would only be true if the solution was completely clear.If it had any extra paracetamol floating around, then that amount would increase.

[Blazin]

swim's first attempt was completely clear second was very slightly "foggy" but barely noticable without close inspection. around 50mls of water was used both times (just over) so there would be approx 700mg in it when its clear and that maount of paracetemol is pretty safe. so swim should be all good?

swim paoligises for re-itarating points he just thinks its better to be safe than sorry when palying around with stuff like this. hope it is not a problem

[anonuser30500]

Reiterating points is a good idea when your swirling enough paracetamol around in a container to possibly harm yourself!

The chemistry and science is fairly precise though - as long as Swims follow the rules.

Again, consult the oracles on here. Swims here have collective knowledge which is used in various guides to stop swims overdosing or losing the plot.

Your right to be cautious and although Swim is new here, I think it goes without saying that long established members would always prefer Swims to be cautious and ask about any dangers IF their minds are set on taking this that or the other.

Be aware though Blazin, that getting a CWE right could be that start of your trouble.

Once you are able to set into motion a safe CWE you could well end up getting a taste, not just for the rainy day or lazy weekend, but the tiresome Tuesday, woeful Wednesday and so on.

Bear in mind, CWE is always there. The only downside is separating the codeine which is legal to buy but not legal to extract. Legal to use if you fancy stacking up on paracetamol and so on.

There are no seedy dealers to meet, no dodgy places to visit and the cost, compared to cocaine habits or heroin, is a LOT less. It is seen as 'clean' compared to heroin, because it is clean. The UK suppliers of codeine are always licensed, the amount is always the same. Never heard of 8/500 pills sold as 60/500 or vice versa. Never once had any co codamol tablets which seemed not to work, EVER, in 15 years of using them.

Each to their own though bro. Just pointing to the worse case scenario. Swims need some discipline if they try this and like it.

Be careful out there, not just getting CWE right, but especially after you get it right.

Added later: note, it is not legal to actually refine any tablets to obtain the codeine.

Codeine is Schedule II/Class b in the U.K

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Sound harm reduction advice

[miggeth]

Easing swims own pain when the medical establishment proved to be incompetent was a criminal enterprise? Bosh! Flimshaw!

[Blazin]

swim still cant manage to get his CWE's as clear as his first one, this may be to swim using more pills now.

[miggeth]

Try P*r*codol, it's pricey, but it's like they want swim to extract it. So easy and clear every time for him.

Don't try B**ts cocodamol, they add foaming agents that make it impossible to filter properly.

[anonuser30500]

Seems to be quite a few brands of cocodamol out there, Swim notices different ones all the time when prescribed. Must be a few dozen all said and done.

Swims here have been down this road, and Swim would research those who have always used a good method. If sometimes it seems cloudy for them, then its maybe a brand thing. All it needs is a few mg of some binder of sorts, and you might see cloudy water.

Maybe Swims should grind up one tablet and see how it looks in Swims usual amount of water. You will know then if any CWE has at least 500mg of paracetamol in there. Any more cloudy, refiltering is usually reccomended by Swims who have Swum in that direction.

Swim would aim for clear as Swim could, and he has 30/500 to use. Any CWE of 8/500 would NEED to be clear. Even then I'd have to accept some percentage of paracetamol was left and some of the codeine was gone. Common sense would tell you that any clear solution would maybe lose 5-10% of the codeine and MOST of the parecetamol. But how much is most?

Swim has no real idea what % of parecetamol is left in any given CWE, but a good one would surely have to take out a good 98% or so. If 5% was left, it would be unhelpful to daily users, esepcially those using maybe 800mg or so per day. (100 tablets CWE) 2.5 grams of parecetamol is not risky for adults, but long term, cannot be helpful especially if you do not need it.

Swim will research the % of parecetamol Swims claim to take out. Weighing material left over is useful but I'll need to re-read those results.

Good luck.

Now, were are those cheerleaders?

Damn, its the black disembodied hand!

(for some, that would be as good as a cheerleader, you fiends!)

[darkglobe]

Hmm. SWIM seems to have been using too much water for his extractions using 8/500 Paracodol capsules. He used a litre of water for 40 Paracodol (Co-Codamol) capsules, and cooled liquid until very slighty icy, then filtered twice (albeit through kitchen roll).

SWIM's end product is cloudy and bitter tasting, and he is too scared of Paracetamol content to consume. Dose aborted :|

[miggeth]

Kitchen roll?!? Go to ASDA lazy bones and get some coffee filters.

[darkglobe]

*hangs head in shame* lol