Culture - If money is not an issue

[rokman nash]

If money was not an issue, how many of you would let heroin become a daily part of their life?

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	interesting thread and poll topic
	thought-provoking and concise

[MrG]

In that, given the law of diminishing returns, a daily heroin habit would rapidly become nothing more than shooting up to keep the withdrawal at bay, having to decide whether or not one might choose to *let* it become part of ones daily routine is no choice at all.

But then SWIM's never had an opiate habit, so others may disagree.

[old hippie 56]

After witnessing what heroin does firsthand to people cowboy cares about, a big NO.

[mickey_bee]

This question doesn't really work though.
No one initially intends to get hooked on gear, it just happens. It's a hell of alot less damaging if the person can easily afford it, but it still isn't really a 'choice'.

You can make a choice to get off the stuff, but generally, not many people choose to get on it........they just look around one day and realise they're fucked.

[Master_Khan]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

This question doesn't really work though.
No one initially intends to get hooked on gear, it just happens. It's a hell of alot less damaging if the person can easily afford it, but it still isn't really a 'choice'.

You can make a choice to get off the stuff, but generally, not many people choose to get on it........they just look around one day and realise they're fucked.

Not buying this. It just happens? Unless someone is living in a cave, they've got to know that using heroin is walking through the gates of hell. If given the choice between taking a hit or shooting myself in the head, I would without hesitation just shoot myself in the head. That's a no.

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No one starts using any drug with the intention of becoming a junkie! Not saying that using is a good decision but come ...

[m.swinehart81]

Originally Posted by Master_Khan

Not buying this. It just happens? Unless someone is living in a cave, they've got to know that using heroin is walking through the gates of hell. If given the choice between taking a hit or shooting myself in the head, I would without hesitation just shoot myself in the head. That's a no.

This is an ignorant comment... Does swiy really think that when people experiment with drugs that their intention is to become addicted and give their entire life to an addiction? OF COURSE NOT!!! Swim does not know a single person addicted to heroin that tried heroin with the intentions of becoming a junkie! And shooting ones self in the head rather than trying heroin is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard!!!

[east_of_eden]

One of the main problems for heroin addicts IS money, LACK of money.

yet that doesn't stop swim and everyone else from spending all their time trying to work out this problem and get what they need and try to keep from getting sick.

so if money wasn't an issue swim thinks that would make life easier and safer for addicts and they would still continue to do what they do.

[anteriorfuture]

Certainly not daily. But regular, absolutely.

[ex-junkie]

naw. its not the best life, swim would have to pass on that. even if the supply was constant, and money constantly flowing, shed still wake up every morning with withdrawals, and have to plan her whole goddamn life around using- not being able to leave the house without wacking up, then being irresponsible by driving on the road with a kid (like she used to), keeping the door shut on her kid whilst she quickly wacks up in the bathroom.

not a good look.

[Solinari]

No for my fiend, even if money was not an issue he would not continually use in the same way he did in the past. That said, if money was really not an issue and my fiend was a multi millionaire then i imagine he would be able to get some really good connections or even a dodgy doctor willing to oblige, then i imagine he would use fairly often but not every day.

Part of drug addiction for the every day person without huge funds is an escape so i imagine if you had lots of money and could fly to Monaco for lunch in your own helicopter then i don't think getting smashed everyday would be either appealing or practical.

[xxdan123xx]

Well seeing as swim is already willing to spend every dime he has on it if it was free that would be nice... maybe he could go out or buy some nice things

[MrG]

Whoa, steady on there pilgrim!

That's an awfully ignorant knee-jerk reaction. Contrary to mainstream media misinformation Heroin is not instantly addictive. It takes a period of steady use before physiological addiction sets in.

It is usually because the heroin high takes the user away from many of the horrible things in their lives that they persist with it as a DOC.

But feel free to choose your own response to the offer of a hit.

[ex-junkie]

Originally Posted by MrG

It takes a period of steady use before physiological addiction sets in.

It is usually because the heroin high takes the user away from many of the horrible things in their lives that they persist with it as a DOC.

well it doesnt take much in hindsight.

a traumatic experience like a death in the close family, and approx 7-10 days will do it.

[m.swinehart81]

7-10 Days to become physically dependant? Swim thought it only took 3-4 days of continual use to become addicted...???
Swim also agrees with Mickey. People dont usually make a conscious decision to be addicted to heroin. It usually just happens. I think alot of people, especially if they have prior experience with it, know how big of a risk they are taking though. Anyone that were to choose to be a junkie, even if they have all the money in the world, needs to re-evaluate their priorities...

[On The Nod]

If SWIM had enough money, good pure heroin (or pharmecutical), and didnt have to wait on a dealer- although SWIm wouldnt cause it would be off a doc (in the UK) or bought in advance....

If the above were applicable then it'll be very tough, its easy to say no when swims not using ,but if swim had a sweet supply and was feeling the benfits of heroin i.e. more relaxed, comfortable and getting high then it would probably be a huge "yes"..

SWIM doesnt like the idea of being trapped in England due to not being able to travel on H but while in England would probably enjoy the time much better than would if not using.

Also SWIM loves to go into slight withdrawal as its that no pain no gain thing... It just tastes better ;P
You know what I mean..

P.S. Why are people with no experience anserwing here? No offence but theres no logic to it.

[rbegoniaz]

Even if money was not an issue and you inherited say a million bucks,but your employment stayed the same.Not.(employed).when one continues to take out to cop dope and it doesn't get replaced with a pay check or dividends,you all get the picture.You will be broke again in no time.The only way you can get ahead or break even is to keep the habit below the net deposit.That being said Swir has used H everyday for more years than she cares or can count for that matter.Swir wil l buy X amount a week and does no more than .5gs/day.There have been times when she is off (HA HA)her .5 but this has been the norm for 16yrs.Since this has turned into a long term deal she gets a pretty good bang for her buck.So...back to the question if SWirs' money was not an issue she'd take some of that money and check into the absolute best REHAB wherever that may be and git done with it all."when we're done,your finished!The fact of the matter is with unlimited resources and some of Swiy's habits the body is what we all run out of,and that my friends can not be bought.

[Junkhead23]

For pacman it would make his life worth living and the bad aspects would simply be gone so yes of course he would

[Pringles]

I would not do this myself. I'm sure that Heroin has a useful role in the right situation but I'm not in that situation & i feel it would be foolish of me as a non user to risk dependency.

[xxdan123xx]

Agreed swims use is already out of control and if it were free he would die. Plain and simple he would be dead in a week. His cocaine use would skyrocket as well.

[Master_Khan]

Listen you are not supposed to neg rep someone because you don't like their opinion. That is not what the rep system is about.

And I will stand by what was said. Heroin is nothing to 'experiment' with. That is like saying you are going to go down to the Interstate and experiment with running back and forth dodging the trucks. Anybody that tries heroin thinking they will not end up as a junkie is really overestimating their luck or just lying to themself. A few have been that lucky. Damn few.

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well put, great analogy

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by Master_Khan

Listen you are not supposed to neg rep someone because you don't like their opinion. That is not what the rep system is about.

And I will stand by what was said. Heroin is nothing to 'experiment' with. That is like saying you are going to go down to the Interstate and experiment with running back and forth dodging the trucks. Anybody that tries heroin thinking they will not end up as a junkie is really overestimating their luck or just lying to themself. A few have been that lucky. Damn few.

Well the thing is you clearly don't know what your talking about do you.

Been there? No thought not.

I would bet that every addict starts out thinking they are only going to do it once and then they realise they like it. They realise it's addictive potential but feel it will not happen to them because 'they have it under control' It's the same as cocaine or any other drug in that sense. You don't realise you have a problem until too late.

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This is correct, it's assumed "it'

[Master_Khan]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Well the thing is you clearly don't know what your talking about do you.

No need to be rude friend. One doesn't need to have first hand experience to 'know what they're talking about'. My friends experience with drugs and addiction is extensive, and he has studied the forest from a distance, which sometimes provides a better view than trying to see the forest from the trees, eh?

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Been there? No thought not.

Correct. Again, no need for hostility.

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

I would bet that every addict starts out thinking they are only going to do it once and then they realise they like it. They realise it's addictive potential but feel it will not happen to them because 'they have it under control' It's the same as cocaine or any other drug in that sense. You don't realise you have a problem until too late.

The point that swim was trying to make is that heroin is NOT the same as every other drug. It's potential for addiction and destruction is so massive and legendary that it is disingenuous to try to make it sound like someone starts off with a little innocent experimentation and wakes up one day to discover that the trap has been sprung. Picking up the gear that first time is necessarily an act of self destruction, a very conscious 'fuck-it'. Experimenting with drugs is something most people do. Using the gear is an act that is beyond the event horizon, a trip into the black hole. Can anyone realistically claim to be naive about this considering all the information and testimonies that are available? Hey swim loves everybody and doesn't look down his nose at anyone, but if you march into hell on the brown horse, just own it, don't try to make it sound like it is something that happened to you and you didn't know. Now much love and maybe we keep the replies measured and cool-headed. Peace.

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM doubts he'd have a problem keeping it to 3 1-bag shots a day, and maybe a 2-bagger once or twice on the weekends (if he found that okay through experimentation). It's not even that much money really, like 12-15k a year. But yeah, he'd definitely use it daily.

[cra$h]

if a bag just didn't end, swim's split 50/50. He'd love to be doped up forever, and forget the world, but at the same time, being stupified swim would miss out on a lot of experiences. But if it was a perfect world and no one cared about swim's abuse, he'd lean more towards yes. But if swim's in his own perfect little world, damn... I'm starting to get paradoxal.....

[rokman nash]

From a purely monetary standpoint, not factoring in anything else, Dave would answer yes. Unfortunately that's not how life works, but it would still be a yes.