The most ego reducing psychedelic?

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim has recently noticed that many people who use lsd actually have bigger egos after they use the drug. Any body ever notice this. It seems to be a reoccurring theme.

Further, what drug do yall think reduces the ego the most.

[terrapinzflyer]

Swims turtle thinks that ego loss, like the rest of the lessons learned from powerful drugs, can be a challenge to maintain once back to baseline. While drugs may blow the door open, it does close again, though maybe not so tightly so not so much force is required to open it subsequently.
But swims turtle thinks LSD is the best drug for ego loss- though he thinks only a small percentage of users experience this, due mostly to the large does required, as well as needing,in many cases, to be willing and ready for such an experience. But it is not a permanent effect- the ego is very powerful.

[Venusia]

LSD had been the best drug for SWIM's ego reduction. SWIM felt a loss of the duality one normally feels, i.e. the separation between one's self from other people, places, things or animals. It took SWIM's ego down a notch each time she took it, but SWIM contributes it mostly due to the setting and person she tripped with (her now hubby,but newish boyfriend at the time.) Seeing the connections between SWIM and the rest of the world that were never ending and how those connections made every thing the way it was made swim realize how tiny and insignificant she really is...but in a good way. It's hard to explain without seeming as if SWIM babbling some nutso talk. ROFL LSD basically dropped the veil we uphold to protect us and our egos from getting lost in the fact that we are all really one, and we are totally connected in some way to everything in some way or another, meaning that we are not all "special, unique little flowers" but rather just a speck in the huge field or wildflowers that takes up a meadow. If that even makes sense.

Also, extreme sleep dep from using really good speed caused SWIM to have a breakdown/breakthrough that made SWIM love every living thing from the tiniest bug to the biggest elephant. It made her break through this veneer of how humans and other living things are really one in the same. We all require the same basic things: food, shelter, and to keep breathing (whether it be water for fish or air for land animals.) It made SWIM feel as if class and separateness was a lie and that the CEO of a huge company is just as important as the cleaning lady who empties his trashes at night, no matter what society said or thought. We, in SWIM's eyes, were all the same, and SWIM Ioved the world as if it was swim loving herself. (totally struggled to make that sentence clear.) SWIM's ego was shattered at this point, as she felt likeshe was that gas station clerk, or that CEO or that cleaning lady. We were all totally and completely one. SWIM's husband called it a samadhi. All I knew is that SWIM cried tears of joy for hours for the beauty SWIM had just seen in all the world.

[coelho]

Originally Posted by Spare Chaynge

Swim has recently noticed that many people who use lsd actually have bigger egos after they use the drug. Any body ever notice this. It seems to be a reoccurring theme.

Well... i think the ego is much like a living being (or a bacterial infection), and what doesnt kill it makes it stronger... maybe lsd experiences that arent strong enough to cause a lasting ego-death act like mere blows on the ego, which recover itself and gets stronger after each blow...

[Nemba]

Swimmy thinks mushrooms, definitely. The unpredictable potency is quite humbling, "Yeah I'll just have a few more it's all good it's all good oh fuck what's happening" and I think this provides some motivation to keep the things you experience or make them stick harder. At the very least he can say that for himself he has learnt the most meaningful lessons on mushroom trips, he is a mean fiend for them though, and has taken them many more times than LSD. Swimmy is usually quite up himself, half of it's reasonable confidence as he is very intelligent but a lot of it is just annoying and only important for him to be right. That's why having so much fun not being able to think or do anything, being totally confused and lost and stupid but having the best time ever, is one of the most freeing experiences for him and it has taught him a lot of empathy.

[Euthanatos93420]

Salvia. It completely obliterates the Ego for the short period of time.

[Spare Chaynge]

Would mescaline reduce the ego? Swim would like to not end up like all the lsd people he knows. They always think they have the answer.

[Venusia]

Shrooms work pretty well too. SWIM really hopes she didn't give off a bad vibe, being into LSD and all.

[Gradient]

My chimp finds smoked DMT to ultimately abolish the ego, or his typical assumptions/perceptions of reality, during the experience - as many psychedelics are able to. However, the 'comedown' from the peak of a DMT experience is quite atypical to the chimp; when recovering from a DMT excursion, the chimp maintains the level of empathy and humility he observed during the most intense moments of the experience. This is one of the qualities of the compound that the chimp appreciates the most. He finds that psilocin is also able to generate similar effects, assumedly due to the presence of DMT.

Interestingly, the chimp does not associate LSD with a loss of ego. A change of ego, sure - into something far more sensitive to externalities and dynamic. The ego certainly remains, however.

The chimp finds salvia to not only dissolve the ego - but blasts it into something altogether alien and unrecognizable. Very powerful effect. The chimp spends the majority of the tail-end of the experience 'remembering' all of his typical operating assumptions and framework of perceptions.

The 2Cx family has generated similar effects in the chimp, though slightly distinct. There seems to be an inescapable humor to the loss of ego; not only have perceptual assumptions been lifted, but the compounds seem to inspire a comedic sense of relief pretty consistently. He finds this to be particularly fun. Interestingly, the DOx family hasn't generated this effect nearly as effectively. The chimps intrigued by this distinction, and plans on performing additional tests to investigate .

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[Nemba]

Originally Posted by Gradient

Interestingly, the DOx family hasn't generated this effect nearly as effectively.

Unless, like swim, you take 22mg accidentally because you think that batch wasn't very potent. He found that pretty damn effective.

[bcubed]

Not, strictly speaking, a psychedelic (but a dissociative)--DXM induced in Lizard a powerful (and, frankly, rather unpleasant) dissolution of the ego when he did it for the first time. It wasn't something he'd feel willing to do more than once or twice: all the protective BS one tells themselves to function normally was temporarily stripped aside (OUCH!)

He credits it with reducing his enslaving addiction to alcohol to the level of a mere bad habit, and has posted about it repeatedly (so won't here).

[Spare Chaynge]

Not at all. Swim is speaking about the people he knows personally. swim likes a lot of the answers he was given. Thanks for the help.

He is begging to think everyone is different and psychedelics are probably not the best way to reduce ones ego unless they have some sort or plan to guide them.

Another thing is to little of an ego is not a good thing. We have all seen someone who is constantly unsure of their worth. It generally not fun to be around.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by Spare Chaynge

Another thing is to little of an ego is not a good thing. We have all seen someone who is constantly unsure of their worth. It generally not fun to be around.

True Ego Destruction eliminates this as well because this is not a lesser ego but simply a large ego in another form.

[Venusia]

SWIV has been mulling over this and didn't know if she should post it here in this thread (as not to thread jack) or if it would be appropriate here since it's related.
How 'bout I post it here and the OP can let SWIV know if it's cool to stay or if it should be moved to its own thread:\

I moved it here


Does this even make sense to anyone? SWIV knows what she means, but putting it into words is harder than SWIV thought. Her brain hurts now.

[psyche]

When one is looking for ego death, are they looking to completely obliterate their sense of themself (as it has been cultivated and reenforced throughout one's life by one's experiences, interactions and relationships) in order to start fresh with new psychic imprints all together, with the goal of becoming more in touch long-term with some spiritual/divine/etc energy that our usual feelings of duality keep us from doing; or is one looking to kill the ego for an amount of time so that one may experience the humility of oneness, as opposed to the constant duality we are used to at baseline?

SWIM thinks it was primarily the first one for him. But the difference is tiny, and he slipped slowly to the latter too, to the point of considering becoming a hermit. That's a very good distinction to make.

[rhcpeppers1234]

Salvia and LSD. Swim would not recommend taking LSD in large quantities tho. If swiy is really looking to have his ego completely obliterated then go for it. And when swiy is peaking, smoke some salvia. And to the swimmer who asked if mescaline does this to your ego, swim would have to say no, unless your eating like 500+ mg's of pure mesc.