Drug info - Inexperienced with psychedellics... is DMT a bad place to start?

[Squeekz]

SWIM has wanted to try psychedellics for a long time now. He is 21, 145 lbs, and has tried salvia and mushrooms (both unsuccessfully) and DXM (took way too much, freaked out for 15 seconds and puked). SWIM feels incomplete sometimes and feels that there is an entire world out there that he is missing.

SWIM would like to try shrooms or acid first, but is not able to find a source. He has read on Erowid how to extract DMT using Mimosa hostilis and has basic knowledge of organic chemistry. He finds the drug very interesting, but is not sure if he wants to try it before experiencing other psychedelics since it is such a powerful drug.

Any thoughts on SWIM's situation?

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good background info; makes the answers better

[porchy]

SWIM would suggest that SWIY should start with a small amount, maybe around 10mg to test the waters. If SWIY enjoyed, try a little bit more.

DMT is said to be a very powerful experience, although tomorrow is the day for SWIM

There's a great mushroom growing forum on this board, maybe think about giving that a go first.

[Gradient]

Squeekz,

I have to applaud your chimp's willingness to explore the world of insights DMT has to offer ! That said, the smoked DMT experience is quite a potent and radical one - it can be highly difficult to comprehend/integrate all of the sensory information occurring simultaneously, if one isn't comfortably familiar with the effects. Similar to salvia, many of the cognitive and emotional realizations can be lost due to the fast-pace of the experience.

Perhaps beginning with an oral administration, coupled with an MAOI of course - syrian rue is available from most suppliers that have mimosa, and will work splendidly (tastes like purgatory, however) would be preferable? In the chimp's opinion such oral administrations - often referred to as 'pharmahuasca' - consistently approximate mushroom experiences. This is assumed to be due to the chemical similarity of DMT to psilocin; psilocin, the primary active compound in psychedelic mushrooms (among others), is a DMT molecule with a hydroxyl group attached to the 4' position. In other words, psilocin is DMT with a small oxygen attached to hydrogen linked onto it.

In either case - DMT is a great next step in one's psychedelic adventures. Oral administrations offer a less severe, slower-paced experience, that likely will provide a smoother and easier introduction to the world of DMT.

Good luck, this compound has alot to offer!

[Wierd Logic]

If swiy has never taken a psychedelic before, swiy would recommend making it, converting some in Changa and giving that a go first?

[Kibz]

SWIM had never done any psychedellics before trying DMT. The only substance SWIM had tried before doing DMT for the first time was marijuana. So SWIM can tell you that DMT is a GREAT place to start, he had a very profound experience and it was not scary at all. SWIM later tried salvia after and did not enjoy the experience much at all, DMT is perfectly fine to start at. He started with lower doses and slowly built his way up to 50mg. Just remember when using low doses it tends to waste it, so once SWIY feels comfortable just go for it, SWIY will not regret it.

[I<3Salvia]

Research, research, research. You are going to have a lot of voices telling you to take this, take that, and giving you opposing views on the best way to take whatever substance they're talking about. If swiy decides to take dmt, let it be because you searched all of your resources about all types of hallucinogens and you decided that this drug was to be the one because it seems right after you've become quite knowlegable about the substance. Hallucinogens are not to be taken lightly. They can show you heaven, or give you a tour of hell depending on your, "who, what, why, when, and where", and how much. Swim doesn't mean to sound preachy but it sounds from your post like you haven't done a huge amount of research yet. Ignorance is one of the main things that leads to bad trips and that is not what swim wishes for you. The other world you speak of is going to wait for you so don't rush it. Hope this helps.

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	Good advice
	Excellent advice

[CrookedEye]

SWIM would suggest mescaline, which can easily be extracted, just like DMT, then LSD or shrooms, before trying DMT. DMT would be pretty safe, considering there isn't a long duration, so anything too overwhelming would be gone in 15 minutes, tops. However, the trips from the longer acting psychedelics give one a chance to get a real good feel for psychedelic mind states, where as DMT can usually just be a flash of insane colors and feelings, often times without any real insight. It can be mind blowing and certainly would be a very fast thrust into the psychedelic world. Mescaline and LSD seem to be some of the more comfortable trips in lower doses, where shrooms and DMT seem to be a bit more alien. A nice low to moderate dose of either mescaline, LSD, or mushrooms should be a great start, before using psychedelics with much more powerful/visual/dissociating trips.

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	really good advice.
	Good balance.

[Dubstep]

Someone who isn't me (SWIM) has helped many friends who haven't had any psychedelic experience (except half who have only tried salvia), and every single one has had a great and fantastic time. SWIM will usually start out about 30-35 mg, and at that level one tends to only see the beautiful colors and visuals associated with DMT, not the breakthrough level. Every single one has had a huge smile plastered on their face when experiencing DMT for the first time. Every single one has wanted to try it again at some point. With that said, SWIM highly recommends it over mushrooms, although SWIM's mushroom experiences have always gone terrible. SWIM believes the best advice is to just let go, and view it as if you were watching a movie. The initial rush is a little intense, but the rush is very euphoric

[D1V1N3M0M3N750F7RU7H]

its plain and simple i believe. if you feel comfortable then go for it. SWIM never just goes for it. it has to call to SWIM, then SWIM feels its the right time. Its spiritual, you have to be one with your mind body and spirit. it makes it all the much more worthwhile when you are. my best wishes good sir!

[adzket]

simply put yes it is. it's short duration is the only plus so if swiy was having a bad time they would be over and done within 30 mins if smoked. most people are vilently sick the first time it is smoked. also it can be very over whelming for exsperianced tripers let alone first timers with no other exsperiance of psycadelics. swim sugests swiy thinks long and hard befor doing this.

[Gradient]

Originally Posted by adzket

most people are vilently sick the first time it is smoked.

Surprising. This most certainly has never, ever been the case with any of the chimps I know. In fact, 2 opiate-dependent individuals suggested it felt surprisingly rewarding and viscerally-pleasing after first-time experiences - especially in comparison to other psychedelics they'd tried. Perhaps the sample causing illness isn't very clean? The taste is unpleasant, sure - but violent illness shouldn't occur with smoked doses.

[Infinite I]

Originally Posted by Gradient

Surprising. This most certainly has never, ever been the case with any of the chimps I know. In fact, 2 opiate-dependent individuals suggested it felt surprisingly rewarding and viscerally-pleasing after first-time experiences - especially in comparison to other psychedelics they'd tried. Perhaps the sample causing illness isn't very clean? The taste is unpleasant, sure - but violent illness shouldn't occur with smoked doses.

Agreed it shouldnt Only one friend of swims was sick but that was with his diet and that was one time out of a lot of times.

Swim would go for dmt, and the freebased version, thing is its quite a short duration and low doses has a mushroomy vibe with swim sometimes. So a short experience not too strong would be a low dose of smoked dmt. Say 10mg. Oral could put you in a bad place for a long time so swim would say definately dont try that for your first time.

[D1V1N3M0M3N750F7RU7H]

i was sick my first time and it made me reluctant to try it again. but i dont have that problem anymore. that may have been due to smoking it on two 15mg hits of 2ce.

[vantranist]

Just don't make it woodrose seeds or Mourning glory's.

SWIM did these first and it seems the bad experience never left him. All psychedelic experiences after LSA seemed tainted.

[adzket]

sick is maybe a unacurate discription swim is also opiate dependant plus had been useing other substance that week including 2c-i, lsd, mdma, lots of ketamine. only k the two days upto first exsperiance plus minimal methadone as swim always uses less medication when on other drugs. but when coming out of the trip got very bad reching which was painfull and it was almost like alot of saliver or ectoplasm. it subsided quickly then swim feelt wonderfull again. there friends however also eather exsperianced exstream dribaling or spiting, or saliver like vomit. only ones who did not where ones who had used a few times befor. it could of just been the shock to the system with all the seritoin rushing there system.

[RainbowStorm]

Originally Posted by Squeekz

and has tried salvia and mushrooms (both unsuccessfully)

Lots of people seem to miss out on the salvia experience, SWIY should revisit but try what people on the Salvia forum suggest, theirs a lot to smoking salvia and a good hit isn't based on chance but rather a more effective method.

[Squeekz]

Wow, there has been a lot of great posts in this thread and SWIM thanks everyone for your feedback. He recently tried mushrooms again with more success, however he did have a bad trip at one point in the experience. The bad trip wasn't due to being scared of what he was seeing/hearing, but rather a loss of mental function that resulted in paradoxical thinking and forgetting the meaning of many words/ideas (full trip report here:http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...207#post697207). This doesn't scare SWIM away from trying psyechadellics again (even mushrooms), and he still really wants to try DMT and actually purchased some MH root bark recently. Any thoughts on SWIM's situation given his new experience?

[laws0n]

SWIM has no experiences with psychedellics, although he is very curious he totally trips out when he tries to smoke weed so if weed freaked SWIM out psy's would probly be a more extreme freak out.

SWIM was just wondering (aside from tolorance and addiction) if going straight to DMT would be similar to going straight to heroin before trying hydrocodone or codiene (more risky bad trip, unpredictable)? Or since shrooms, LSD, and DMT are different chemicals they react totally differently eventhough their in the same classification.

Thanks I was just wondering this for a while and thought this was an appropriate place to ask.

[adzket]

swim say's there are some similar effect's one would notice with all those substance but also as many diffirences. swim never realy gets much visual from shrooms just an out of it feeling some allterd thought patterns. with lsd swim will see paterns both oev & cev feeling happy mainly, sometimes bad. notiable body buzz for few hr's much longer lasting than shroom's with dmt swim was overwellmed by visuals pluss full on seriton hit made them feel wonderfull got rid of pain they had been in for days very spiritual feeling. where unable to talk for about 10 min's plus uncontrolable movement of swims body for about first 5 min's.

[Navanax]

Some might strongly dissagree with what SWIM is about to say. But SWIM gets really paranoid and small hallucinations off of mj was quite worried the first time he tried. So what a friend suggested was to take some MDMA(ecstacy) to help guide the trip in a pleasnt direction. While SWIM completly agree that set, mindset, and setting are the key to any trip. This was a nice safty net for SWIMS first trip. It can make things even more overwhelming but SWIM found it quite pleasant.

[GaianMind]

yes, DMT is a great place to start. Keep doses and low until you get the feel for it, and move your way up from there. SWIM has introduced it to many for timers to tripping, and everyone one of them enjoyed it incredibly and are now moving further and further with their explorations of the mulitdimensional realm!! SWIM believes that the short lasting effects help someone get used to it rather than the long lasting effects of most other psychedelics. Enjoy