Effects - Heroin and Suboxone

[m.swinehart81]

So swim started taking suboxone again about 2 weeks ago. Since he started taking it he has shot up heroin every day since. He still takes his suboxone every morning though. If he continues will the heroin eventually take over the suboxone and will he start to become addicted to the heroin where the suboxone wont help? As of now he can take his suboxone and he feels pretty much fine but he always ends up shooting dope. Even if its just filters or something. No matter what he has done dope every day and is having a hard time stopping. He doesnt want the suboxone to quit working though.... Any insight?

[Spucky]

Why swiny not use a higher Dose,
because "normally" the craving decrease after a few Day`s
on a stabilo Dose of Bupre.!

If swiny take a high dose of Heroin to kick Bupre. away from the Receptor
of course he become stronger addicted, at least Swim have this experience!

Don`t forget that addiction is not only the addiction to the stuff,
to fight old bad manners is often the hardest one and many people lost this fight!
Start to throw away all needles and filters,
you don`t need them for a time.

Good luck

[dkmonk]

swIm would advise, maybe swiyr addicted to shooting now, because swim thought suboxyne blocked swiy from getting high.

swiy should try just shooting water and see if that calms him. swim would thinking shooting dope while on sub would be dangerous.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim has been doing it for 2 weeks now and it still gets him high but he also takes his subs every morning, waits for them to kick in, and will shoot up a bit later. Swim doesnt do very much. He used to shoot .5 gram at least in every shot. The biggest one he has done since getting on suboxone was shooting a dub bag... It doesnt get him lit like before since he isnt doing as much but it definitely calms him down. Swim is having a hard time stopping the shooting but at the same time doesnt want to get to a point where he wakes up, takes his pill, and ends up in precipitated withdrawls...

[Spucky]

Don`t forget that Bupre. cant handle a "high dose addiction".
Use a medical Index and compare the amount of DAM. with Bupre.
(Bupre. Potenz is 30. - Morphin of course 1.)
Don`t forget that there is a ceiling dose of Buprenorphin (ca. 24mg.).

My Cat thinks that the max. amount of DAM. is ca. 0,4g. daily dose,
everything above Bupre. is not a good choice!

But Needle Addiction is real hard to stop,
maybe a new discovering and definition by Body Building can help
to get a new relationship with swinys Body.
Like my body is my temple and a needle destroy it!

[m.swinehart81]

Very True. Swim is at a point in his life where he wants to quit but he is definitely having a hard time staying away from everything...

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Very True. Swim is at a point in his life where he wants to quit but he is definitely having a hard time staying away from everything...

One needs to decide if they really do want to quit or keep messing with heroin. Red Rock was at this exact same point SWIY was for almost a year being on methadone, suboxone, and naltrexone. If one keeps shooting heroin, the bupe will not work as effectively as it could without shooting dope and it is Red Rock's personal opinion that it will be very, very hard to quit shooting heroin if SWIY keeps doing what they have been doing.

[Spucky]

Swim think that the chance to learn new things is much better with Methadon,
swiny need stability and security!

Bupre. is nice, swim liked it very much, but in the first Time it`s hard because
the Cotton-feeling, the security Opioids are given is missing, everything is too clear.
Many People cant handle this Impact of clarity and become kind of a loser because they think:
"I cant handle even this".
But that is wrong, Bupre. is just not working well!

There is also a other Way, swiny need a total Detox and then go back to Bupre.!
How`s about that Way?
This will save all the Time swiny need with Methadone.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim has tried cold turkey and it just doesnt happen for him. Swim has a very hard time dealing with the withdrawls. He is kind of a pussy when it comes to that stuff. Swim has been clean before. He was on methadone for 2 years and then on suboxone. He fucked up though and started shooting coke which led to shooting heroin and after you know it all the coke has stopped and he was addicted to H again. Swim thinks he just needs some time to adjust. Its only been 2 weeks... Swim just doesnt want the sub's to quit working or end up in precipitated withdrawls or some dumb shit like that...

[Spucky]

How much Bupre. Swiny use in a 24 Hour interval?
How is swinys Vein?

[m.swinehart81]

Swim is taking 8mg a day. Only once per day. Swims veins are screwed. He usually Im's his dope

[Spucky]

Why he not use a higher Dose, above 16mg.?
Maybe Swiny need a real occupied Receptor!

[m.swinehart81]

Swim doesnt have that much sub's right now and he doesnt have a doctor at the moment cuz his quit practicing. He is trying to make it last as long as possible. He isnt getting sick so he figures he should leave it where its at for the time being or until he gets a new doc