Drug info - 2C-I or DOI

[BoyInTheCountry]

SWIM has never tried a hallucenogen or psychadelic drug before but would really like too. He has tryed BZP-TFMPP, Mephedrone, MDMA and cocaine before along with a few others but nothing that has made him a halluciante or aything but he would really like to try something that will. SWIM's first question would be what would be the best drug to get 2C-I or DOI. SWIM is looking for a very intense visual experience that will just 'wow' him or take him on a journey if that makes sense, value for money also comes in to the equation though.

DOI seems more expensive but it also looks as if the experience last longer and he will get more doses out of 1gram than 1gram of 2C-I. SWIM also looked at 5-MeO-DALT but for the price doesn't seem worth 5-10 minute trips.

2C-I and DOI both seem very very appealing to SWIM any suggestions on what to go for?

Thank you very much.

[riscphree]

DOI trips can last 16+ hours on single digit milligram doses.

2c-i has doses that last 4-6 hours in the 15-20mg range.

Since SWIM is a bit inexperienced with psychedelics, I would recommend SWIM tries 2c-i first.

[BoyInTheCountry]

Anyone else have any input my friend is not having much finding anything else he hasnt already found on 2C-I and DOI

[chillinwill]

Since SWIY has no prior experience with any psychedelics, Red Rock would have to recommend 2c-i for a first time. Starting off with DOI could lead to some very intense and frightening trips and just an overall bad time. Red Rock thinks in his personal opinion that one should become more experienced with psychedelics before messing with the substituted amphetamines of the phenethylamine family. 2c-i will be more gentle and can show one the kind of experience one can get from phenethylamines while being fun.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM doesn't rate either very highly. DOI lasts far too long and is pretty boring in SWIM's opinion. He has taken it twice once at 2.5mg and once at 4.5mg. Takes 2 hours to begin, never got very strong, not very visual at all. SWIM knows it was good DOI he has as a friend of his took 2.5mg and tripped for 2 days. SWIM said it lasted just over 24hours. Pretty long for a first psychedelic experience, SWIM would strongly advise SWIY against it.

SWIM also found 2CI not very visual. Maybe he has a problem metabolising iodine drugs. Anyways SWIM would suggest 16mg oral 2CB for a first psychedelic experience. Up and down in 6 hours, Hour come up, another hour to peak 2-2.5hour peak comedown 1-1.5hours. No hangover, can eat on it and no insomnia.

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[Blizzard777]

Originally Posted by BoyInTheCountry

DOI seems more expensive but it also looks as if the experience last longer and he will get more doses out of 1gram than 1gram of 2C-I. SWIM also looked at 5-MeO-DALT but for the price doesn't seem worth 5-10 minute trips.

Swim thinks the FAR bigger question here is DOES SWIY HAVE THE MONEY FOR A GOOD SCALE YET?

Seriously, swim hates to be nagging but when it comes to the subject of RC's, get a good scale, ESPECIALLY if one is even going to begin considering such things as DOI and the rest of the DOx family, a lot of these are active at such ridiculously small doses

There is absolutely no responsible way to really explore RC's without a good scale...at least .002 g, PREFERABLY .001 g

And even so to his knowledge things like DOx still can't be measured out to specified personal doses (even with this quality of scale), therefore one would have to measure out a bigger dose (say 20 mg for example) then dillute the substance in something like water or alcohol

When swim first found out about RC's he was excited but not very knowledgable on the subject, he almost jumped into this whole world with a cheap .001 g scale, ($20-$50 depending on source), looking back on that he says that would have been a huge mistake with the 2C-I he planned on ordering...and that would be a WAY WAY WAY bigger mistake for someone who was "researching" DOx, swim waited til he got the money and ordered a scale

Research chemicals are called that for a reason, they certainly can be rewarding in the hands of those who exercise caution and safety, HOWEVER KEEP IN MIND many of these chems can EASILY be very deadly in the wrong hands, especially those who are careless with their dosing by using anything less than a .002g-.001g scale

One final thought, swim has read many times on this forum and completely agrees, if one has the money to be buying RC's, one can easily wait and save the money to buy a proper scale, even if it takes one a month or two or whatever, one's life and the lives of those he trips with are far more important than saving a few dollars, this isn't childs play, so don't treat it as such, have fun but ALWAYS be safe and be responsible, (sort of like sex...but without the pregnancy or STD scare being a reality when condoms aren't worn...)

DONE PREACHING NOW! Sorry, had to be done

[terrapinzflyer]

if swiy wants an introduction to psychedelics- read the classics- LSD , or if requiring a shorter, gentler read, psilocybes.
In swims turtles opinion LSD is the baseline on which all other psychedelics must be judged...

[psychedelaholic]

Originally Posted by terrapinzflyer

if swiy wants an introduction to psychedelics- read the classics- LSD , or if requiring a shorter, gentler read, psilocybes.
In swims turtles opinion LSD is the baseline on which all other psychedelics must be judged...

Whilst LSD is the king of all psychedelics and yes it is a good substance to compare other psychedelics too it definitely definitely isn't good as a first psychedelic. Even if someone is sure they are going to be able to deal with the visuals and even the 12hour or so duration, it's the head space LSD can lead a person too which is the hardest thing to deal with. SWIM tried several psychedelics before he even considered doing LSD. For example SWIMs girlfriend can't even handle tiny amounts. At summer solstice last year SWIM had 2.5tabs of some pretty strong acid and his GF had just half a tab yet she really didn't have a very good time for the most part. She often ends up crying for a couple of hours during acid trips.

Although saying that one of the first psychedelics SWIM did was ayahuasca although he wishes he had maybe waited a while as there were definitely parts of the trip such as the deep introspection that he found quite hard to deal with and would've found it more manageable if he had more experience.

Shrooms would be a better starting point, maybe a couple of grams of dry mexican cubensis. But shrooms, especially strong ones, can be very head fucky and again if someone isn't experienced they could have a bad trip.

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by psychedelaholic

Whilst LSD is the king of all psychedelics and yes it is a good substance to compare other psychedelics too it definitely definitely isn't good as a first psychedelic.

Swiy makes swims turtle feel very old. For a long time LSD and mushrooms were really the ONLY available psychedelic.
And swims turtle would disagree- it is a great first psychedelic in his opinion. True- it is not for everyone, but swims turtle would never give any psychedelic to those that can't handle lsd or mushrooms. Kinda harsh maybe, maybe he's too long lived in a world of trial by fire

[UberDouche]

Get a good scale.
If the question is strictly DOx or 2cx for a first time? Start with the 2cx for reasons already mentioned.
Shorter duration=better mindset if head-space gets a little wonky after dosing. SWIY can always re-dose later but SWIY can't un-dose what's already done.