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You could, but I doubt you would get any effects. I have not heard of anybody getting good effects from smoking it straight, but I have heard it goes good with tobaccoo or everyones favorite herb in a hooka. Just make the tea, but if it's just regular strength leaf, that might not be enough to get the buzz. Try some premium grade kratoms next time, that stuff rocks. 5-10 grams will give u great effects with premium.
i read an erowid report where kratom was smoked with bud and the guy said that he could feel it. he haddrank kratom tea before i think so he would know what he was saying, buti don't know how reliable that is. it's probly worth a try though. Edited by: boomer0
Try making a water extract (repeated boiling and filtering), dry out the extract by evaporation, then smoking the results. This might work very well. You'd probably need more than 6 grams tho in order to have enough bulk in the end product to be worth trying.Edited by: Nicaine
From what I've read, the amount it takes to get high makes smoking a poor route of admin. One would probably have to smoke 10 to 20 grams (of premium stuff) to get a decent buzz.
One idea tho -- might be worth trying to make some 'tea' from 10 or 20 grams, filter it, then boil it down until the water's almost gone and let the remainder evaporate. The residue might be smokable and a lot less would be needed. If it didn't work swiy could always re-hydrate it and then drink it.Edited by: Nicaine
Last edited by Electrolingus; 18-01-2010 at 18:58.
Reason: To swim.
While active material is still left in the "remainder" of kratom leaves after making tea, to smoke an active amount would still be difficult on the lungs and too time consuming. Better to smoke a non-water extracted resin like the 41% full spectrum alkaloid resin. SWIM has smoked about 1g of this material (a third of that needed for oral administration according to SWIM) and he described the effects as "quick, noticable, but short lived." It doesn't "smoke" as well as herbal material, but SWIM has a starting coal (for starting incense or hookahs) that can do the trick. For those looking for something quick and effective, this may be a good route for you to research.
SWIM said he prefers the oral route because effects last longer and are more functional for pain management and produces less dynamic mood shifts and anxiety than smoking kratom resin. Smoking seems to be produce a "head buzz" that some are very fund of who have used other drugs. The negaives of smoking kratom for SWIM were related to its quick activation/deactivation. SWIM described negative "come down" symptoms after smoking such as heavy fatigue and mental cloudiness. These "come down" symptoms have never been assoicated with SWIM's use of oral kratom. BTW if you want to "pick up" your oral dose, smoking seems to work well for SWIM.
SWIM has smoked extra strength premimum powder before with nice affects. Mixed it with ganja in a big joint and was definetly feeling it even before half the spliff had gone, kind of like waves of 'niceness' as one of SWIMs mates described it.
Swim enjoys smoking Kratom. While effects are subtle he greatly enjoys the taste, just something about it. Whenever he makes a Kratom brew he puts aside enough to roll a smoke which he has after drinking the brew to bring on the effects. He also said it mixes well with and seems to potentiate other herbs like Cannabis and Blue lotus.
Swim placed 12g crushed kratom leaves in a cup and soaked in 40% ethyl alcohol. The alcohol barely covered the leaves. Swim microwaved this solution until bubbling and let it steep and repeated adding more alcohol. Swim poured off the brown liquid and repeated this many times until he yielded a colorless liquid. He drank this as to not waste vodka...
Swim then soaked the dark brown yield onto about 4 grams of crushed leaves and let dry. Swim smoked all of the said material and was very affected. Swim began to feel effects immediately after releasing the first hit. The smoke was soft and pleasant. Effects were similar to 7-8 grams of eaten bali kratom on low tolerance, a nice floaty fluffy feeling, sweaty hot flushed face, sedation, mood lift and euphoria. Swim's head felt as if his brain were replaced with cotton. Effects lasted about 2 hrs. Later on, Swim's unwise pet chinchilla tried this procedure with 25 grams and began to nod and complain of heavy nausea.
Swim would like to add that combining with cannabis will GREATLY synergize the effect.
SWIM believes it is not a waste of Kratom if it is prepared properly. Also, oral consumption of kratom requires the stomach be empty. If one has already eaten a nice meal, or doesn't like the slight stomach discomfort of good tea, or just wants a change up, kratom smoking can be an alternative.
Like swisomebody said, you can extract the mitragynine with alcohol and reduce it down and evap onto plant material OR SWIM keeps reducing until a brown resinous slurry is formed. SWIM likes to roll a kind nug of cannabis around in this slurry until the bud is brown and gooed and smokes that. The effects are strong, just as strong as tea.
It most definitely IS a waste since for 1, you will need to smoke much more material (Kratom) to achieve effects than you would have if you had made a tea. In my opinion smoking Kratom to achieve effects is a hassle when you could easily brew a batch of tea and boil your dose down to a single shot, making it much easier to ingest.
Swim dose this all the time...his current tolerance is up to 15grams and to think if he had to smoke all that plant material or for that matter ingest all that Kratom (powder) in tea (it would be like drinking mud )...NO, instead swim simply boils 15grams of crushed Kratom leaves/restrains and boils *twice... and in end result he takes his dose (15grams) in one gulp. peace.
"I believe in a long, prolonged, derangement of the senses in order to obtain the unknown."
-- Jim Morrison
Last edited by Br00klynB0y87; 04-06-2007 at 23:31.
swim has tried smoking the leaves, and achieved no effect. swim tried the fine powder extract as well, still nothing... swim likes the resin, since swim can add it to other smokes...
but swim didn't know you could make it as a tea... swim will have to try that. Swim agrees, that it is a waste to smoke it all... swim once smoked about 1/4 to 1/2 oz and still didn't feel anything really worth it...
swim did a few hits off resin and def felt something, along w/ lack of oxygen cuase of the heavy hits swim took. swim also swallowed some of swim inhaled.. which swim doesn't reccommend doing. swim experienced slight choking feelings when swim swallowed... but was okay after a min of what seemed like 5 minutes to swim.
swim never drank it before... but if it is a lil bitter, can swim add some sugar to help get over the taste?
swim liked the taste of kratom smoked... it wasn't too bad... it was comparable to Salvia, but sweeter when smoked.
swim thinks pretty much all smoked herbs taste the same except for Wormwood (smoked), Damiana, Wild Greens, and Intoxicating Mint, and White Sage, Spearmint. The last 3 are minty, white sage smoked is SUPERB!!!! The longer swim holds white sage inside, the mintier it gets!! Swim says White Sage is her fave smoke of all... though it doesn't get her high, it makes her feel really good and relaxed. Swims friend says White Sage purifies your body and gets rid of the bad stuff in it, swims friend says that is makes you have great karma. Swim isn't into all that Wiccan stuff like swims friend is, but swim doesn't mind the compliment of having great karma.
Damiana is the bitterest smoke swim ever had, more bitter then wormwood. Swims friend says it is better to have damiana as a tea, since it makes you relaxed and trance state wise... swim smoked it once and swim is skeptical of the taste for drinking it. swim hasn't tried it as a tea, and don't think she ever will.
Wild Greens didn't fuck up swim, but it fucked up some of swims friends pretty hardcore one time. Swims friends had drank about 2-3 beers before... and that's it. Swims friend was a pretty experienced drug user, so his tolerance was high. he thought wild greens wouldn't fuck him up. swim has been told, only use wild greens w/ other stuff, not to smoke it pure by itself. swims friend thought he was big shit, so he told swim to give him a bowl of just wild greens... swim didn't want to, but did.
swims friend took 2 hits off the bowl and found it hard to continue to finish it, but he did... upon finishing the bowl, swims friend passed out for the rest of the night... it was about 10pm when he smoked/finished the bowl, he passed out around 10:15pm, and didn't wake back up till about 10am the next morning, but only cuase swim and her 4 other friends were trying to lift him up and kinda smack him/shake him around to wake up...
swims friend description: big athletic built guy, body of a body builder, very muscular, someone you wouldn't want to fuck with in a fight or if seen in a dark alley... a big strong guy... and 1 bowl of wild greens to this experienced high tolerance user, knocked his ass out. he said later on he loved his trip, but would next time listen to me about dosage...
swim has apparantly just tried 15x and 35x(gold) kratom extracts
in joint and bong, got slight buzz.he's a good smoker,can get very good effect even from standard salvia leaves. swim heard kratom tea works good but he like smoking things. can anyone help? maybe 1000x extraction? how far coluld you take it for smoking??
there are isolates available in tincture form...i have seen both mitragynine (sp?) and its two analogues. i suppose it might be possible to evaporate and vaporize whats left, but i am not entirely sure if this would work...anyone tried this?
tried bonging it. no efect so swim ingested 2g resin duno stregth no effect either grrr.. .if its advertised as high strength resin wot would that be .. sold at a uk web retailer. they ay take 2g but must b a threasold limit .
swim is about to set up website based in england.better not give it's name. as he don't want to piss off forum. and swim smoked loads of 35x extract then unless it works at a stronger x. then swim will be honest on site and say make tea as you may not believe plant has any effect otherwise.
Last edited by Twiglet; 20-06-2007 at 09:01.
Reason: not make sense
I will convince swim to buy vapourizer and try and get him to let you know
assuming that the isolates are in the right form to be smoked (freebase vs salt?...i dont know, i am no chemist) you wouldn't neccessarily need a vaporizer per se, you could probabally smoke them in the same type of pipe used for meth, crack, or dmt....but again...this is just a theory....
if this works effectively, it might finally make those isolate tinctures worth the money...