Setting - What do you think? First Time LSD at a concert?

[FantasticSound]

This is my first post here, so I would first like to say 'Hello' to everyone. I did some reading earlier this evening and now have a question I would like to pose for the masses. Feel free to respond with any knowledge you feel could be useful.

I know a guy named Sylvester who is considering taking LSD for the very first time this weekend. Sylvester is a weekly, if not daily, marijuana user, he has taken mushrooms 6 or 7 times, and he has taken MDMA about 7 or 8 times. He has had only one bad trip on mushrooms and it was due largely to his own stupidity (He was at a festival and ran, skipping, away from his group of friends in a fleeting moment of euphoria only to find himself quite lost moments later... the trip went back to being okay when he finally found his friends two hours later but it left quite an impact on him. He knows not to blame the drug, since things were magnificent both before and after his stupid decision to go it alone. However, this was less than two months ago so it's still a little fresh in his mind.)

Sylvester is going to see Nine Inch Nails at some point during the weekend, also for the first time, in a city three hours away. Coincidentally, the day of the concert is the only day he has available to try LSD since his roomate and best friend Dennis has to work all of the other days and has, along with Sylvester, been waiting for a very long time to try this drug. In the land in which Sylvester and Dennis live it is very uncommon to find LSD. Through much reading of this site, I have come to the conclusion that it's probably best for Sylvester to do this drug at a different time so that he is more comfortable with his surroundings and less prone to high levels of anxiety, and I have told him this. Nevertheless, Sylvester is still leaning heavily towards taking the drug this weekend anyway, given the fact that he has almost always been able to handle a "strange" situation. He cites the fact that there will be a third person at the concert, Jerry, who he is also very very good friends with and who will be sober and is a willing 'sitter.

Other facts to consider:

Sylvester's sister lives in this city, and will be dropping the concert goers off and picking them up to ease any transportation costs or headaches.

Sylvester's sister has a place with a lot of space to relax in after the show as well as a boyfriend who is very accomidating towards this type of behavior as he has done this many times and is a hell of a chill guy to be around.

Sylvester IS worried that music as aggressive as Nine Inch Nails might invoke some sort of bad emotion. He would also request that those who comment on this point be familiar with the music of NiN and respectfully hold their comments on this subject if they are not.

In summary, Sylvester knows that he might be rushing things and that the situation is less than ideal but would like to know, really, how stupid of an idea it is or isn't. Any honest opinions are welcome.

Since you are willing to give, Sylvester is also willing to give. Sylvester says that taking a moderate portion of mushrooms at a My Morning Jacket concert is, perhaps, one of the most amazing things a person could ever experience and he highly reccomends it!

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[Junkhead23]

Maybe taking it after the concert might be a good idea. Generally big crowds and LSD do not mix. Pacman made the mistake of going to a nightclub the first time he tried LSD and he couldn't move at all causing much problems for his friends. Bad idea don't do it. Also nine inch nails could be ok to listen to but not in a concert setting.

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Maybe taking it after the concert might be a good idea. Generally big crowds and LSD do not mix. Pacman made the mistake of going to a nightclub the first time he tried LSD and he couldn't move at all causing much problems for his friends. Bad idea don't do it. Also nine inch nails could be ok to listen to but not in a concert setting.

Just a word of agreement. Crowds, loud noises, and other overwhelming sensory experiences, such as flashing lights and lasers do not mix well with LSD. In controlled settings, overstimulation like this can be great, but in a concert there is no "safe space," and there is generally no good way to escape. Overstimulation without any safety valve is asking for anxiety and panic symptoms. Additionally, being around angry and/or drunk people while on LSD can become very unpleasant, as one becomes highly attuned to the energies of the people around them. This can be controlled to a certain extent, but with thousands of closely-packed people all around, this becomes much more difficult.

LSD isn't really a drug for having fun on. It's not a party drug. It can be fun, it's true, but it can also be very hard work. Except with experience or the right setting, it's difficult to say beforehand which kind of session it's going to be. In general, it's much better used as a tool for introspection and self-analysis, especially in large doses. LSD does not provide the session with as strong a "structure" as the mushroom (or cactus) experience; for this reason it becomes easier to take a bad imprint on it than with the organic psychedelics.

My concern is not so much the music, as the other people involved. It's best to have only very trusted people involved in an LSD session. By going to a concert on LSD, one is introducing thousands of strangers, themselves in a non-baseline state of conciousness, into the session, without their consent or even their knowledge. With a lot of experience or a low dose, concert-going might be feasible, but for a first time, I would strongly recommend against it.

[Venusia]

SWIM isn't sure she'd be able to trip at a NIN concert. Seems more like a concert suited better for speed or even opiates, IMHO. SWIM might have a mental meltdown and a really bad trip during the concert with all the aggressive music, but after the concert, like a previous poster stated, might be best. Again, just SWIM's opinion, and SWIM has tripped on mushrooms and LSD quite a few times in her day. Hope Sylvester has fun regardless of what he chooses to do!

[DietBlonde]

SWIM would highly discourage dropping lsd for a rock show on SWIY's first trip. Loud music with a negative/angry/sad tone might cause a severe negative reaction in SWIY's psyche. LSD isn't a party drug, as another has stated. SWIM believes the drug is an individual experience- a tool to explore the mind and beyond. Not to help enjoy a concert more.

SWIM has had a bad trip and it was scary beyond words (even had a lower dose that time). SWIM doesn't want to reduce SWIY's experience of taking caps at a MMJ show, but shrooms are quite a lot different than lsd, in SWIM's humble opinion.

NIN? That seems like it would sound annoying while tripping (SWIM normally likes the band). SWIM prefers neo-psychedelia or something similar while riding the snake. SWIM would recommend either getting baked or maybe taking molly...

[FantasticSound]

As luck would have it, S and D get to do it tonight! D called in sick to work. They recognized that it was probably a bad idea and just needed someone else to tell them that so they could stop kidding themselves. They say thanks. S realizes that dosing is different than shrooming, he just wanted to give a little info for anyone who might have the opportunity to do the same thing some day.

Does anyone have any specific bands in mind for tonight's listening pleasure?

[Peace]

Originally Posted by FantasticSound

As luck would have it, S and D get to do it tonight! D called in sick to work. They recognized that it was probably a bad idea and just needed someone else to tell them that so they could stop kidding themselves. They say thanks. S realizes that dosing is different than shrooming, he just wanted to give a little info for anyone who might have the opportunity to do the same thing some day.

Does anyone have any specific bands in mind for tonight's listening pleasure?

Try Acid Mothers Temple, they are mindblowing.

[DietBlonde]

SWIM's Top Five is Deerhunter, TV on the Radio, Brian Jonestown Massacre, Bob Marley, and My Bloody Valentine. SWIM isn't really into psychedelic music so he doesn't know of many older psychadelic artists, but it truly is the most enjoyable and suitable to listen to while tripping. godspeed.

[Venusia]

SWIM's best friend likes house and trance, SWIM likes the cliche stuff, like the Grateful Dead and like mellow tunes. SWIM would say keep a collection of stuff nearby that you find makes you happy to listen to when you are really down or, conversely, overstimulated. Since tastes are subjective, SWIY'll know what they like and what keeps them calm. That would be SWIM's best advice.

Oh, and really look at your hands...it's super freaky and cool, but stay away from the mirror. Or don't...some really like that as a trip toy.

[Jatelka]

Please look at these...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82479
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9582

for music suggestions

[scimor]

SWIM thought if he were him, he and close friend would dose early the day of the show, say 10 or 10:30 AM, do a nice long outdoor/nature day, hiking would suit perfectly. Plenty of water! Then around 4 or 5 PM head home, eat some fruit and relax a bit. Once re-oriented, grab a cold beverage to get primed. Let a friend drive while imbibing at desired pace. Mood should be perfect mix of energy, aggression, and other intangibles to be able to appreciate and enjoy a band like NIN. After the show, wind down with close friend. SWIM thought it sounded like a hella good time.

[Arokas]

SWIM is an experienced LSD solo user. However, for the first time solo it's not the best option.
SWIM has also toke lsd in place with big crowds (very big techno clubs) and the experience was very confusional, even if it was an experienced user.
SWIM think that the best way to experiment the full effects of LSD is solo in a confortable environment. However, for the first time solo it's not the best option so SWIM told me to suggest Sylverster to stick with MDMA at the concert and to use lsd at his sister home with her boyfriend and Sylverster firends.

[Eddie Gardyne]

Hello, everyone. Been looking around the forum and found lots of interesting stuff but i figure i´d ask a question about a very specific situation. SWIM has recently finally gotten a hold of some LSD wich he´s been wanting to do for years. SWIM is a regular pot smoker and has dabbled on some other stuff. SWIM´s only experience with any kind of hallucigenic drug was doing datura seeds, a highly confusing and trippy trip (not in anice way). Well, anyway, in a few weeks one of SWIM´s favourite bands is coming to town wich he´s very excited about, and has been advised by one of his friends to save the first lsd trip for that very impotant concert, but SWIM is concerned it would distort the experience too much (like datura) and this is a REALLY BIG concert, also, SWIM has come accross the opportunity to have a couple of days home alone to try it out, perhaps with another first-timer, so the question is do you guys think it would be cool to do it for the first time at the concert, would SWIM be enhancing the experience or would there be like hallucinations, just 2 much of a trip(like datura)?? or how bout if SWIM tried it out on his weekend home alone, and if happy, perhaps do it again for the concert, that´s exactly 2 weekends apart, would that be 2 often after the first time so that the effects would strongly be diminished??? Also SWIM wonders if 2 tabs, -whatever they´re called-, would be 2 much for a first time, also wanna ask, and i know it´s silly, does it matter what side of the tab SWIM places on his tongue (i mean the artwork or the other side) and finally i´d appreciate it if you guys sort of gave me a perspective of how LSD combines with marijane and alcohol.

Any Help is greatly appreciated in advance....
BTW, does it matter what kind of band SWIM is gonna see?
Well it´s Depeche Mode.

Thank you.

[MerryPrankster]

SWIM has only taken LSD 4 or 5 times so is still pretty inexperienced; but has some insights that may assist SWIY in his decision making.

Firstly, two weeks apart will allow the acid to leave your system so SWIM doubts the effects will be diminished. It would probably be a good idea for SWIY to take it in the security of his own home for the first time so he has some understanding of the effects and can then handle them at the concert.

Secondly, Dosage. From SWIM's experience, two tabs is a pretty intense experience where for at least a couple of hours, confusion reigns pretty much supreme. For SWIY's first attempt, SWIM highly recommends that SWIY takes one tab to guage the effects of it. For SWIY's first time, the experience can be pretty disconcerting, so to minimise the chance of you having a bad trip; it would be a good idea to start small. SWIM has taken two tabs once out of the 4 or 5 times he has done it, and it was MUCH more intense and a little scary. SWIM experienced the ego death that is intrinsic to psychedelics, and believes that it can be terrifying to the uninitiated.

That said, if SWIY takes only one tab and is it SWIY's favourite band, SWIY should have a phenomenal experience that he will be able to take away and enrich his life.

As far as combinations are concerned... SWIM smokes a fair amount of marijuana regularly. The first time SWIM took LSD, he took one tab and smoked about 3 grams of weed during the period of the trip. He found it dulled the experience and made it feel more like an intense stone, very few visuals and that sort of thing. He felt very happy and laughed a LOT and had constant feeling of epiphany. He has mixed marijuana with most of his other trips, but has decided to lay off it a little now as he really wants the psychedelic experience and doesn't want to be clouded by marijuana use. SWIM finds it dulls the trip and makes it harder to hold things in his head. It doesn't so much make the trip bad as diminishes its benefits.

The second time SWIM took acid, he drank a fair amount of alcohol while under the effects. He again took a single tab and then drank about half a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon. It was a really interesting experience as he didn't feel "drunk". He knew he was under the effects of alcohol but was completely lucid and basically in control of his body. It was a nice warm glowwy feeling. A lot of people don't recommend this, but SWIM doesn't drink alcohol regularly but enjoys it when he does. Each to their own, I suppose.

SWIM hopes his personal experiences help with SWIY's decision making, but don't take what he says as gospel; he's by no means an experienced psychonaut.

PS: Once the blotter comes into contact SWIY's saliva filled mouth, it will kind of disolve into a soggy ball; so it doesn't really matter what side it is originally facing when he puts it in.

[elementality0x]

Swim's dad has told him many stories about how he used to drop acid way back when and go to a bunch of different concerts. This got swim to wondering, is LSD at a concert something worthwhile to do? Does the music and atmosphere effect the trip at all? Any past experiences or special things that anyone has to share would be great too

[Richi]

I'm not sure if this crazy pothead would do it, although he is less inclined to rock out on a drug like lsd and more inclined to explore the wilderness or explore his mind. This is not to say it isn't enjoyable for a great number of people (think back to the stereotypical 'hippy' era). He has spoken to many who do enjoy it though.

[elementality0x]

The link didn't work, and I tried doing a search but couldn't really find anything past others wondering whether or not a concert would be good for a first time. Swim usually goes on nature walks and plays mind games whilst on LSD, so he's trying to find new and other exciting things that he can do while on LSD that would be fun and worthwhile to do.

[MerryPrankster]

SWIM's friend has taken LSD at a couple of music festivals and concerts. He said it's like his conciousness is spread all over the entire room. He found it really hard to keep it together. If SWIY can handle the feeling of being shattered; SWIM thinks it would be ok.

[Richi]

I've removed the dead link, but that was the thread I was referring to. If you enjoy walking through the woods or other relaxing activities, it's not to say you won't enjoy a concert environment, but it will be different that's for sure.

I think that some crazy pot head would be more inclined to try LSD at a concert rather than a party. Even though a concert and a walk through the woods stand at polar opposites on a scale of 'social' activities, they share one thing in common - deep interaction between human beings is at a minimum. By this I mean that walking through the woods you can be doing whatever you want, and the same goes for a concert. Furthermore, out in the woods no one will ask you if you're sober, and at a concert, no one will care.

[Arokas]

Usually, if SWIM take strong acid, he"s not very confortable with 2000-3000 people around... One time he was in a club, he dropped 2 hits of strong acid with his friend, and they eventually had to go out because the stimuly was too much. The top experience was when the girl he liked much at the time went to him and, a bit for the darkness, a bit for the lsd, he doesn"t recognize her lol.
So, maybe a concert is not the best for the first time. But when you are familiar with the stuff, why not to try, lot of people have a lot of fun.
Ten days ago another swimmer aked a question like swiyours, then he wrote a report and he had a lot of fun, but it wasn"t it"s first time... So maybe if SWIY has access to potent stuff, start low or it can be a little overwhelming.
All the best!

Sorry i have just read that it is not swiy first time lol, so, tell him to try
Bye

[jimmyjazz]

SWIM doesnt think that LSD at a concert is a good ideia. He really doesnt feel comfortably in crowded places and even marijuana can cause a bad trip (just the other day SWIM posted a topic about it on the marijuana forum).

But things change when SWIM is at a rave. There's also many people as there usually are at concerts, but they dont get all together in front of the main stage to see the dj playing, ehey are there to trip and dance. So, the place doesnt seem too crowded.

But different from SWIM, many of his friends took LSD at concerts and had a GREAT time! So, you have to think about your previous experiences and don't drop too much LSD for the first time. Get used to it first.

[Gorgonzola]

swim dit it few times and it was great. Very difficult to not laugh seeing other faces...