The Universe Defined

[TheGreatHabiblious]

I understand most of this is going to sound unlikely to some, but its very real to SWIM.

SWIM has what he likes to think is a higher understanding when it comes to psychedelics. He has long since done them starting with acid back when he was 14 then going to shrooms when the sid dried up, eventually he went on to N20 with out knowing it was a hallucinogen and tapped in to another dimension. At least thats what he likes to call it. Its almost like he can look back in his mind and he finds rooms where entities exist and supply him with information in the form of symbols, which are sometimes very hard to explain to others because you cant speak a symbol. Imagine them telling you something is shiny and twisting with out words, it would be a shiny twisty object that is doing just that and you know exactly what it means. Thats a very simple example, the entities that SWIM encounters put very complex symbols in his head that show him what the meaning of life is. It shows how we are all connected thru a grid that makes up a collective consciousness that in SWIM's logic is what most people consider god. Maybe all of those people, their energy combined makes a force that can heal, create, etc. Question: If you arent a person and you take another form, what are you? What if you could tap in to that with out dying? Sometimes SWIM feels like he almost can. In addition to seeing entities SWIM hears these voices that speak in a very mono-syllablistic way thats accompanied with tons of onomatopoeia that are more often than not very hard to remember or understand after the fact but during the duration of the trip there are lots of things said even complete words and phrases that make complete sense. All of these things exist in whats called a thumathube (pronounced zoom-a-tube with a 'th' sound at the beginning of each word zoom and tube) this tube is a portal to the other dimension and is a way of instantaneous travel to rooms, places, symbols, ideas. Its even a way to see the 'leader' not really creator but maybe. SWIM dosnt know too much about this large being that looks like some sort of giant larvae with almost cockroach like features crawling around on him. Everytime SWIM sees this creature another entity comes and speaks to him thru symbol and tells him this is not where he should be, but he has seen this same creature multiple times. Which brings SWIM to another thought of we are all just symbolic worms traveling these portals, once again if we dont exsist as humans and had to take another form, what form would that be? What if thats the form SWIM takes on in his meditative state?

The biggest mind fuck of all is you can never fully understand whats going on because in order to do that you would have to define these things (ideas, connectivity, the universe) but you really cant. Its forever evolving and moving, there really arent too many constants other than us all being connected and working together as a collective consciousness. But even without defining things (which is the way a logical brain works) you can understand things, but how do you understand things without defining them? Its like holding up a mirror to a mirror, but theres a way to understand all of it and thats thru higher thinking. How you do that? Thats what needs to be figured out. To be honest, SWIM feels like he is right there. Right on the cusp of knowing how everything works and having a greater understanding of how to use that to his advantage. Sometimes he feels like he can channel his energies and do something great with it in a physical form, not only a mental one. Granted this is while under the influence of drugs, but for the longest time he has been struggling with all these questions and thru talks with trusted friends who have had very similar situations, with different variables, these are all the conclusions he has been coming to. It sounds crazy, he knows, but its not. Its all very logical and literal. SWIM has come to the conclusion recently that he enjoys the shit out of things that are literal.

The Trip:

Monday night SWIM was in austin because a long time friend was in town from out of state. It just so happened that SWIM also had a big bag of the fungus. They divided the contents equally with SWIM eating an eighth which was more than the others but it was his bag and it was only right. But Im getting ahead of my self, the night started in san antonio with SWIM, jammin, t-bone, yan, yan's woman and ms korea at a bar downtown. they realized that they didnt have any beer at the house in austin and so they called rupert to pick some up since it was 11pm and there was no convenience stores open downtown, you always gotta have friends who will deliver you beer when in need, its a necessity. But eventually there back in austin and get there about 2am to munch the fungus. they set up a make shift living room with outdoor couches and a coffee table under the stars. It turned out to be the perfect trip, literally. SWIM has always tripped alot, but usually its by himself or with people that arent very intellectual and this trip literally opened his eyes to many things by others supporting his ideas that he had always thought but couldnt fully communicate because its different when your not under the influence and able to channel it out of your body, able to share the language freely but still the symbols are really hard to explain but others were finally understanding what SWIM for so long had only attempted to explain to people. This time the people actually cared to try and delve in to his mind, particularly yan. yan is very intellectual, hes a writer, nerd, tea bagger and kept probing SWIMS mind knowing there was a story there and that he was hearing bits and pieces of a whole story that made lots of sense to him, and tons of sense to me. we talked later and found out weve had lots of similar situations but again Im getting ahead of SWIM. rupert got there with the beer and decided that he didnt want to stay up all night so he wasnt going to do any shrooms but he was going to hang out for a bit and drink some beer. making him the non-tripper, but everyone had their roles as yan later pointed out to SWIM. jammin became the silent observer, ms korea became the happy girl, yan was the recorder, yans woman was the stranger, SWIM was the symbol of the trip and t-bone became a couch. literally. he was all alone on this couch of giant pillows which was turned in to a money making idea of pillow blankets, which I predict will be huge in europe... But was amazing, others described it as the best trip ever and 'magical.' They have all known each other for such a long time and all share such a bond that the grid mentioned earlier came in to play. Rupert balanced everything out with his sanity but still thought just like everyone else, said things that were spot on. granted he has a weird and very intelligent mind, but some of things he said were eerily appropriate for him not being on any psychedelics, but he said he did feel a contact high and I believe that was just all of our energy connecting with his, its hard to explain but it was definitely there.

The first thing accessed thru SWIMS thumathube (which btw; never go backwards down a thumathube) was three different entities standing around, and they pushed a pill and it glided across the floor and went straight down a hole and looked at SWIM and he understood that they wanted him to go down the hole but SWIM didnt want to because the trip just started and was around more people than he had ever tripped around before and wasnt sure yet how it was going to go. But as the night went on he relaxed more and would share the thoughts he could with others, he tried to explain that he hears the language of the universe and others could understand what he was finally talking about because some have heard things just like what SWIM heard but didnt know they were hearing it. For instance listen to this salvia trip about a minute in when she starts laughing: (link not allowed) that is the laugh of the language. its a very repetitive language that is spoken very similarly to that. Birds speak that same language, water speaks that same language, the universe speaks that same language. SWIM speaks that same language. Only sometimes tho. Only under the influence but it is a very rhythmic, sensical language that connects us all. As the night went on and SWIM kept having all of his 'by definition' crazy thoughts that were rational and logical to him be validated in such a way that it was really a mind blowing experience. The night ended with SWIM's rollie chair getting stuck between a crack in the driveway and the couch that was t-dog and to SWIM it felt like he was getting sucked in to his chair which also felt like going backwards down a thumathube. SWIM jumped up and walked away from the circle. to walk down a path thru the woods he had never walked before and found him self an opening where he crouched (just like he had done when he meditated on the N2O and first accessed this 'higher thinking') and rocked as all the thoughts made perfect sense, like the culmination of his understanding was at that very moment. All of his ideas were coming together and it was almost like the 3D labrynth that is his mind finally worked in such a way that the labrynth moved to allow the ball to drop strait from the start to the goal in a straight line. Like the puzzle wasnt even a puzzle anymore and it was like everything made sense. Then a bird, sitting in the nearest tree started talking to SWIM, only to confirm even more that he was right. Thats all the bird kept saying, 'your right, everything is right, we told you so' over and over. it got to a point where a frustrated swim yelled 'alright' as to say enough already. the bird repeated him self a couple more times then stopped and swim came out of his meditative state moments later only to sit down on the ground, realize the sun was up, and that when he looked straight up there was a baby bird on top of this telephone pole with his neck stretched out, clearly hungry. This is what SWIM took as a symbol for new life. this wasnt something any voice told him but something he later understood on his own with recollection. When he came out of the woods the sun was coming up right behind him, and yan claimed that he saw SWIMS aura glowing brightly, swim felt like he was almost in a pure state, another odd thing is rupert, the sober one who Ive come to know apparently always knows which way north is said the sun was coming up in the wrong place. It was one of the greatest sunrises SWIM has ever seen, every shade of purple and orange you could imagine with a cluster of sparse clouds going thru it. warning; crazy thought: SWIM feels like he had something to do with that sunrise. That power that SWIM sometimes feels like he has control over is a tricky one. Like when that bird was squaking at him in the woods then stopped, he thought the bird would come down and settle near him. It didnt. he did hear a rustling behind him at one point after it stopped but his eyes were closed and who knows how long he was out there? those are the kinds of things that leave doubt in your mind but its still something you have to understand that your going to understand all at once. The best parallel I can think of is the act of succession. Say you think about someone you havnt seen in a long time, a song plays on the radio that reminds you of them, to take it one step further you get a call from them.. Who knows what that is? but SWIM has come to the understanding that that is for a reason, if it actually is or not he cannot prove but knows is true and thats the same way he feels about the things that happen to him when he is in a meditative state.

SWIM has never been religious, he went to catholic school till eighth grade only to reject the teachings and never wanted anything to do with anything religious. But all these experiences have made SWIM very spiritual, almost to a point where he feels he can physically do something with his spirituality. It was funny, at the beginning of the night rupert had said to SWIM that of all the people he knows that SWIM is the one he would most likely expect to spontaneously combust which is interesting because SWIM knows that his mind can take what ever thought that comes in to it but sometimes he dosnt know if his body will always be able to, which is why it would combust. Either that or he would leap in to the sun and transform in midair to the purest form. Its such a strong feeling SWIM gets but its not the easiest to harness but what if he could?

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	Thanks for sharing but you should have posted in the Mushrooms experiences thread
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[dmtHELLA]

I believe this is the correct place for this forum.

Well... The experience is intense. Much more vivid and real then any mushroom experience in SWIMs life.

A few questions;
This Thumathube you speak of... Is this a creation in your mind? Please elaborate on the origin and definition of this. Also how do you induce these vivid trips? Through meditation or they simply pop-up? Also N2O is not defined as a hallucinogenic. It is an anesthetic / dissociative. I do question the validity of that trip report as this is not realy a drug and is not supposed to/ is not reported to do much.

The symbols... The words and sentences you hear... If they exist and do mean something I do suggest you record them while tripping and include them in the trip report.

Also the entities you speak of, in my mind, do not fit the profile of a higher being. This collective consciousness you speak of does exist but it's form is in no way physical and is not identifiable by any of the 5 physical senses.

MY review of this post is this;

While it seems you are on the right track but you are FAR from defining the Universe. In fact in no way did you even attempt to define it past the collective conscious. The trip is filled with just that, a trip report. The theories and philosophy are rare and lack depth. Personal stories are fun, but those do belong in trip reports. This Rupert you speak of, is not to be taken seriously. The report just raises questions instead of answering them.


Curiously enough, this type of thinking has been absent in my life and suddenly, with the spontaneous generation of similar ideas by myself and other friends, comes the spontaneous generation of these thoughts to people like yourself. There is something going on and we are evolving as is the Universe. The problem is, an Entity can never fully define itself.

My advice to you would be continue your path. Keep following the spiritual guidance but become a "better" tripper. Meaning not only remember what is shown to you but document it in a notebook or something. Draw out the symbols you see and do as much as you can to remember. What you are told is very complicated and, believe me, beyond yourself. This is why it is very important to document and organize the information. A few drug combinations suggested would be;
mushrooms combined with an MAOI (syrian rue) This combination will create a trip that combines the regular active ingredients of the mushroom with the normally destroyed parts. This will create a trip FAR more intense and FAR stranger then ever experienced. Another is the drug ayahuasca or its purer form pharmahuasca.

A few videos I suggest to further your understanding on the subject would be Esoteric Agenda and Kymatica. A good book to read is the 12th planet. Good luck on your education and spiritual journey.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

A few questions;
This Thumathube you speak of... Is this a creation in your mind? Please elaborate on the origin and definition of this. Also how do you induce these vivid trips? Through meditation or they simply pop-up? Also N2O is not defined as a hallucinogenic. It is an anesthetic / dissociative. I do question the validity of that trip report as this is not realy a drug and is not supposed to/ is not reported to do much.

Never question the validity of anything SWIM says. He is not gaining anything from sharing these experiences other than he wants a higher understanding of what is going on and hopes that this select group of people he feels thinks on a higher level just like him could help him gain just that. With that said;
First question first, the thumathube isnt subject to definition. Durning SWIM's trip everyone kept trying to define the thumathube, but no one could to SWIM's frustration as he knows what happens in the thumathube but imagine a portal thru wich rooms, areas, places exsist and in these 'rooms' (for lack of a better word) and anything logical is possible. Literally anything logical. Think of a worm hole, lots of times SWIM sees worm like creatures, sometimes there like centipedes and the reason for this shape is so they can more freely navigate the thumathube. This thumathube just came to SWIM one day in the form of CEV's. everyone goes thru it, its just wether or not you realize that you do. The voices that SWIM hears gave it the name, why he does not know but he knows its there and that he spends alot of time traveling it. That maybe a crappy explanation but like so many others its hard for SWIM to communicate even while its going on (like he says you cant speak a symbol) either during or after. but its even harder once the thought isnt right in front of him and he is off the substance. I too think this thread is in the right forum because lots of people like to giggle on shrooms and dick around, SWIM is connecting and evolving. Its completely different than a giggle fest. Its a spiritual journey.

As far as the vivid trips, ever since SWIM did lots of N2O and meditated on the shit daily for hours, its almost like a door has opened and everytime some sort of hallucinogenic is ingested these portals are opened pretty much instantly. He dosnt try and induce any images because that would just be lying to himself. He can conjure some things some times but he can tell that he is just lying to himself. Most of the time when he just relaxes and closes his eyes (who trips with their eyes open anyway?) they come to him almost like his heightened consciousness allows it to happen naturally. The first time he ever experienced the other entities they told him not to tell anyone that they exsisted and if he did they would go away. eventually SWIM ended up telling some friends and the entities were still there. SWIM didnt want to tell people because no one wants to be the crazy guy, but he had to find out answers. The fact that N2O isnt a hallucinogen dosnt matter to SWIM. He knows what happened and what he saw and that in his mind only gives more validity to his thought process as he is doing things that shouldnt be done. As far as it isnt reported to do as much, I dont know if you've ever met someone who has done as much N2O as SWIM has for such a concentrated amount of time.

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

The symbols... The words and sentences you hear... If they exist and do mean something I do suggest you record them while tripping and include them in the trip report.

That was my general idea behind making this post. Not to understand all the symbols yet but to organize thoughts and put everything together in a logical progression. SWIM does plan on writing as he trips in the future, if he can open his eyes for long enough. Its almost as if he is in such a trance, constantly wiggling like a fish or rocking back and forth with his eyes closed as he trips. SWIM can talk, but in moments of intense CEV everything in the outside world is muted and all he can hear is whats being transmitted to him.

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

Also the entities you speak of, in my mind, do not fit the profile of a higher being. This collective consciousness you speak of does exist but it's form is in no way physical and is not identifiable by any of the 5 physical senses.

Exactly! but SWIM has identified it, and without anyone provoking the idea. It just came to him in a vision. Who knows what a higher being is? really, unless they have experienced it who really knows? and even if they do experience it how do you know you just experienced that for sure? These are the kinds of thoughts you have to wrestle with and understand in order to gain a greater conciousness IMO.

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

MY review of this post is this;
While it seems you are on the right track but you are FAR from defining the Universe. In fact in no way did you even attempt to define it past the collective conscious. The trip is filled with just that, a trip report. The theories and philosophy are rare and lack depth. Personal stories are fun, but those do belong in trip reports. This Rupert you speak of, is not to be taken seriously. The report just raises questions instead of answering them.

But you see I did define the universe, by not defining it. quote: "But even without defining things (which is the way a logical brain works) you can understand things, but how do you understand things without defining them? Its like holding up a mirror to a mirror, but theres a way to understand all of it and thats thru higher thinking." By allowing yourself to not get caught up in actually defining the universe you can define it with a symbol or idea. reason you cant define it with words is because of its evlolving nature but you can define it by understanding exactly what that means. The title of this thread was my lame attempt at satire. I didnt actually mean that SWIM defined the universe because as far as SWIM understands you cant with the language we use. But what you can do is understand it for your self and use that to your advantage.
Your right about this being a trip report also, I was going to include that in the title but forgot. and for some reason I cant edit my posts.
I understand SWIMs theories and philosophies could use some work, but thinking this abstractly isnt simple. Hopefully SWIM will fully understand everything in such a way that he can share it some day but that is not today. Still its funny you say that SWIM is lacking depth and philosophies because whilst tripping SWIM was told he should be have his own philosophy class. Once again, SWIM never claimed to have all the gifts while not under the influence, he is just trying to explain them to the best of his abilities as of right now.
and rupert isnt real? WTF? come on man. you have some trust issues or something rupert and everything said about him is real. just because you dont have friends that will deliver you beer at 2am dosnt mean SWIM dosnt.

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

Curiously enough, this type of thinking has been absent in my life and suddenly, with the spontaneous generation of similar ideas by myself and other friends, comes the spontaneous generation of these thoughts to people like yourself. There is something going on and we are evolving as is the Universe. The problem is, an Entity can never fully define itself.

This type of thinking has been on SWIM's mind for the last five years (ever since the N20 experiences) and the fact that you have just now began thinking about it again just supports his theory on succession. As far as the universe evolving, yes. thats why it cant be defined (in the conventional sense). but entities being defined? SWIM thinks that is entirely possible as they are much more simple.

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

My advice to you would be continue your path. Keep following the spiritual guidance but become a "better" tripper. Meaning not only remember what is shown to you but document it in a notebook or something. Draw out the symbols you see and do as much as you can to remember. What you are told is very complicated and, believe me, beyond yourself. This is why it is very important to document and organize the information.

Thats where SWIM is not so sure you are correct for reasons (feelings) he feels are very compelling to himself but not at a point yet where they would be quite as compelling to others like most things he feels. To SWIM this is like telling einstein relativity dosnt exist. Someone has to figure this out eventually and if you feel strongly enough, not an artificial (imagined) strength but rather an actual spiritual connection who knows what kind of extra sensory power you can wield? Im not saying SWIM knows just yet but some time in the near future it may come to him in a symbol that he can interpret freely. That may seem like a long shot but as SWIM thinks about his mental progress with understanding the intensity that is his CEV's, thinking of where he started from and where he is now....its like night and day. now SWIM knows what he is doing, he just has to figure out how to apply it.
I appreciate all your insight as everyone is entitled to their opinion, and will check out that book you mentioned. The only weird thing about books is when SWIM starts hearing about whats in them (swim hardly reads books himself, hes constantly reading on the internet but thats different) and what kind of theories they provide, SWIM is constantly getting chills because he has already experienced things that are far too similar. this kept happening the other night and SWIM came to the conclusion that he will start reading/writing more because that can only be a good thing. Hence why he will pick up your book. Some people are meant to read or write about things, it is SWIM's personal belief that he is supposed to do them. what exactly that means is subject to interpretation but SWIM feels pretty optimistic about it.

[dmtHELLA]

I applaud you for your openness and type of thinking, for everything we know was at one time told to us by an even less intelligent human being then ourselves. I did not mean to doubt Rupert, but instead question his sanity in a sense. His statements do not seem to hold much water, and hes the sober one. As to editing the posts, as a Newbie this is not possible but once your account has progressed to silver, which doesn't take long, you will have this option.

I am curious towards the amounts of N2O actually consumed. SWIM has dabbled with this gas but never believed (or experienced) anything spiritual about the gas. This is very possibly due to the fact SWIM has only done a package of canisters in his life. Mind you it was finished the night SWIM bought them, fun stuff.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

^thanks for understanding. Im not really sure why ruperts sanity would be questioned, if you knew him that is. He is a very smart guy, (top 10% of class in high school, went on to the best state university in texas and graduated as an architect) and it weirded SWIM out also how much sense he was making with his thoughts and how they were connecting with SWIMs thoughts. So SWIM could understand that to a certain degree because he felt the same thing but thats definitely not the case. Its hard to explain everything all at once and this is only a very rough draft that I wrote in an hour or so, Im hoping for my writings to become better over time and thru editing but so far time or editing hasnt happened so you just get my jumbled stream of thought consciousness.

As far as how much N2O has SWIM done? Immeasurable amounts. More than anyone he has ever even heard about. Imagine you work somewhere that has giant (party store large helium size) tanks of the stuff and you have unlimited amounts because as soon as that tank runs out another is hooked up. Your not doing it thru a balloon, you do it thru an actual dispenser where its mixed with (the smallest amount possible) oxygen and constantly supplying you with more with out any effort on your part. you just wait for the balloon to fill and take it all down, repeat. and this continues for hours a day for a couple (2 or 3) months making the amount of N2O ingested so much that it would be easier to measure in hours than volume. In that time frame SWIM estimates anywhere from 150 hours to 200 hours on the stuff. One time SWIM picked up the cracker and cartridges for home use, but that stuff is shit compared to pharmaceutical grade and didnt supply him with nearly the clarity. If you need a crappy rough draft of SWIMS experiences on it, if you havnt read it already: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76253

[Ballad of Birds]

Your posts are often an enjoyable read.

I strongly suggest to you, if you haven't already, check out semiotics. Biosemiotics might be more of what you are looking for.

Perhaps this could help you in your struggle to better relay or use these symbols you bear witness to. It seems like there could be some powerful ideas behind semiotics (and your symbols as well). I've certainly heard individuals speak as if there were.

Personally, I have yet to really grasp the fundamentals of the study. Though, I haven’t put forth much time or effort in doing so. I would like to investigate it more seriously in the near future. If you happen to struggle somewhat initially as I have then maybe we could assist each other in our understanding.

Regardless, thank you for sharing your detailed post and hope mine is of some service to you.

[readyforthefloor]

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

I believe this is the correct place for this forum.

Well... The experience is intense. Much more vivid and real then any mushroom experience in SWIMs life.

A few questions;
This Thumathube you speak of... Is this a creation in your mind? Please elaborate on the origin and definition of this. Also how do you induce these vivid trips? Through meditation or they simply pop-up? Also N2O is not defined as a hallucinogenic. It is an anesthetic / dissociative. I do question the validity of that trip report as this is not realy a drug and is not supposed to/ is not reported to do much.

The symbols... The words and sentences you hear... If they exist and do mean something I do suggest you record them while tripping and include them in the trip report.

Also the entities you speak of, in my mind, do not fit the profile of a higher being. This collective consciousness you speak of does exist but it's form is in no way physical and is not identifiable by any of the 5 physical senses.

MY review of this post is this;

While it seems you are on the right track but you are FAR from defining the Universe. In fact in no way did you even attempt to define it past the collective conscious. The trip is filled with just that, a trip report. The theories and philosophy are rare and lack depth. Personal stories are fun, but those do belong in trip reports. This Rupert you speak of, is not to be taken seriously. The report just raises questions instead of answering them.


Curiously enough, this type of thinking has been absent in my life and suddenly, with the spontaneous generation of similar ideas by myself and other friends, comes the spontaneous generation of these thoughts to people like yourself. There is something going on and we are evolving as is the Universe. The problem is, an Entity can never fully define itself.

My advice to you would be continue your path. Keep following the spiritual guidance but become a "better" tripper. Meaning not only remember what is shown to you but document it in a notebook or something. Draw out the symbols you see and do as much as you can to remember. What you are told is very complicated and, believe me, beyond yourself. This is why it is very important to document and organize the information. A few drug combinations suggested would be;
mushrooms combined with an MAOI (syrian rue) This combination will create a trip that combines the regular active ingredients of the mushroom with the normally destroyed parts. This will create a trip FAR more intense and FAR stranger then ever experienced. Another is the drug ayahuasca or its purer form pharmahuasca.

A few videos I suggest to further your understanding on the subject would be Esoteric Agenda and Kymatica. A good book to read is the 12th planet. Good luck on your education and spiritual journey.

N20 can definatly make you trip! Everytime I take it, I go in to some strange chat show world, definatly very trippy!

[Shamanche]

Jesus that someone who isnt you's experience is very interesting. Actually i personally think those sort of things he's tryin' to figure out are what matter, plus the trip must have been one hell of a journey into his consciousness. I think that consciousness is very powerfull and ppl can do great shit with it if they didnt just let it BE there, somewhere in the back of their heads. Tell that someone who is not you that i said: You go man!

[seeingred]

This is really interesting....Swim has thought of doing some type of psychedelic in the future because of the idea that it might cross barriers. Oh but in the long run swim can't imagine it is more beneficial than meditation or doing it through your will or intention.

Swim finds the idea of being pulled into an alternate reality through a chemical kind of frightening. Some people think we are bound to our brains, the chemicals within them....This post reminded me of some reality glitches swim has experienced. The unnoticable ones but significant, when it seems that the 'delusion' is real. How much of reality are we creating? How much of the Universe is dependent upon the subjective experience. Meaning: You are the ultimate inventor

You could be creating the entire world around you. The whole of existence could be overlapping and interconnected. But then, I wake up from a dream and I have a slight pang of dissapointment. The other worlds, the people I encountered with their personalities and the puzzles I solved the places I explored---all of them were figments of my own brain....and what is a mind? An extension of the brain? Or is the mind the relation between the brain and physical world?

Swim has had hallucinations before. Swiy would be surprised how utterly complex the mind can be, to create these wonderful stories. Everyone here, we're the only ones that seem to be able to step outside the laws of nature....how much is there to grasp? So in one sense, the mind can create a whole lot...humans are the ultimate inventors. On the other hand it is more preferable to think that the world is not defined by nature and nature's laws.

Swiy can still get there without the drugs....swim thinks.

[Imafish]

Interesting. Platypus had a trip a while back where he stumbled on what he called "The World Pattern" where everything seemingly unrelated formed a massive net of interwoven "life threads" which reveal the most beautiful pattern possible. Your descriptions reminded me of many of the same thoughts he had, such as the common universe language among water, animals, rocks...everything. he is of the opinion that hallucinogens show what is REALLY there. Our universe, though not confined by volume, is confined by dimensions, and the remaining dimensions are very difficult for our 3D minds to grasp. Of course I have to acknowledge that hallucinogens can be very persuasive, so it might be total bullshit.

Originally Posted by seeingred

This is really interesting....Swim has thought of doing some type of psychedelic in the future because of the idea that it might cross barriers. Oh but in the long run swim can't imagine it is more beneficial than meditation or doing it through your will or intention.

There are no shortcuts in life. If you want something you need to work for it. People who are motivated can find the drive to change when the hallucinogenic "catalyst" is added. Coming to a realization on a drug is one thing. Changing your life takes a force of will.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

Originally Posted by seeingred

Swiy can still get there without the drugs....swim thinks.

How? Only thing swim can do that is similar is go in to a dream world. but then again swim did whippets last night and definitely got the same sensation as always, immediately. sometimes it is scary in there. but I couldnt imagine his meditative state would give swim a less scary scenario. or voices for that matter. most are good, but some arent.

Originally Posted by Imafish

Interesting. Platypus had a trip a while back where he stumbled on what he called "The World Pattern" where everything seemingly unrelated formed a massive net of interwoven "life threads" which reveal the most beautiful pattern possible. Your descriptions reminded me of many of the same thoughts he had, such as the common universe language among water, animals, rocks...everything. he is of the opinion that hallucinogens show what is REALLY there. Our universe, though not confined by volume, is confined by dimensions, and the remaining dimensions are very difficult for our 3D minds to grasp. Of course I have to acknowledge that hallucinogens can be very persuasive, so it might be total bullshit.

This is exactly why swim wants me to post here. swim could have wrote that. id say thats more of a validity than a bullshit. just the similarities, what significance is there in that? none most likely, but who knows.

strangebrew: its funny you say that, It feels like swims addicted to playing music. its only guitar and ukulele but it feels like a release. almost like smoking a cigarette.

[Strange Brew]

Not sure if anyone else has already stated this or not, as SWIM has only read the OP in this thread, but maybe SWITheGreatHabiblious should take up some sort of musical instrument. When physical technique and knowledge of the instrument connect with one's inner spiritual realm, the possibilities are infinite.