Dose - Oxycodone playing with fire

[zachfromtexas]

SWIM has been reading a lot and he knows he is playing with fire and 99.9% addiction rate. He doesn't want to get burned so he must ask some questions about Oxycodone dose and addiction for his experience with this substance. He's new to Oxy's and will get 10 ~ 7.5/500 every week for the next 4 weeks for a total of 40 pills then that is it the experiment is over. He started yesterday and took 10 7.5/500 and did a CWE making 10 ounces of clear Oxycodone. Over a 12 hour period he took all 10 ounces or 75mg. Felt real good, at peace with the world, fully functional all day but stayed at home for safety reasons and to be watched by sober person. Good sleep very late at night and felt normal today but a little tired. Now he has no more until next week and is fine with that, no craving or anything but would do it again when the 10 come in next week so obviously his mind already likes it. Plan the same deal for the next 3 weeks with CWE on 10 pills exact same time frame do them all in one day and maybe add some grapefruit and Tums this time to potentiate.

4 weeks or 75mg one day per week is the maximum amount of pills swim is willing to take for this personal experience then he goes back to normal life which is no drugs at all except cigarettes, SSRI's (Paxil) and TopaMax(Dopamine washer) which are daily for 8 years. Also uses Benzo's on weekend during events with lots of people since it helps him break out of his shell and be more relaxed and talkative.


Is SWIM risking addiction and WD with a weekly 1 day binge on 75mg OXY then one week off for 4 weeks straight? Any guesses? SWIM assumes the only way is after the 4 weeks if he trys to quit and is unable to control the cravsing he's burned and fucked like the 99.9% others that said it won't happen to me.

Any advise appreaciated in advance?

Best, SWIMS Friend

[thebige]

If swim realizes that he is slowly conditioning his body,mind to experience a activity that provides itself pleasure or reward.....
and constantly remind himself of the parameters of his experiment......
Swim may get the result he is looking for,just keep in mind he must be able to invest the same amount of time "UN-conditioning" his body and mind
and for some people that can turn into a life-long job....comprende amigo?

[zachfromtexas]

^^I hear you hear you loud and clear and will communicate to swim the dangers. What are the things swim must do to uncondition the body and mind? Right now swim would be ok if the 30 other pills never showed up, he would end the game and that's that no big deal, but if they come he will take them to finish the experment and say did them not for me. One thing swim does not like about Oxy is the speed feeling it gives, sweats and anxitiy which is a turn off for swim, he likes to be calm, but does like the euorphoric feeling and different mind set. Questions is after the next 3 weeks of 75mg one day per week with 6 days clean will he feel the same at the end, no big deal if he has to get that Oxy high again or not?

How do you suggest swim unconditions the mind/body?

Currently today after a 75mg fog yesterday swim still perferes his normal life: Some what sober with prescribed ssri meds, occasion pot smoking and occasional benzo at functions with large amounts of people to remove his shy quiet side.

Thanks,

[Master_Khan]

Originally Posted by zachfromtexas

One thing swim does not like about Oxy is the speed feeling it gives, sweats and anxitiy which is a turn off for swim, he likes to be calm, but does like the euorphoric feeling and different mind set.

Swim agrees and that is why swims pet prefers hydrocodone.

As far as the original question, swim would feel a lot better about the safety of swiny's experiment if the dosage was lower. 75 mg of oxy is a blow-out dose for someone with no tolerance. A moderate recreational dose would be much more likely to help swiy keep it between the lines. Moderate being 20 or 30 mg. There is no need to inundate the subject if the goal is to make a clean getaway.

[zachfromtexas]

Ah Master I must give more details to better understand dosing of the swim. He is 210 #. Active, very health, mid 40's eats a lot and drink a safe amount of water juices during the day. He doesn't do 75mg in one dose but spreads it over 12+ hours. 30mg 1st dose. 15mg in 3 hours. 15mg on hour 6. 15mg at 12 hours or later. Normally sleep 3-4 hours after last dose. Never even close to falling over things or nodding off or mumbled coversation. I just double checked with the swimbs (babysitter).

SWIM always had a policy that kept him out of trouble. If he felt too fucked up, he didn't take more. Like after a 30mg he wouldn't take a 15mg 1 hour later or he might wake up wondering what happened for the last 15-20 munites. He donesn't like backouts cause that's when bad shit happens. He Doesn't even like to fall asleep on anything that can slow respiration until it's past it's half life....Talk about a paronoid dude

[Master_Khan]

SwinZach sounds real good glad to hear swiy takes good care of themself & is in good health! Swim is going to give the 'party on Garth' sign and Godspeed!

[swellin]

Sounds like a plan, here is a little info on how swim became addicted. Swim started taking morphine on and off for about 2 years. Then one day daily and continued to take them daily for about 3months, had enough pill for 25 days out of each month, so swim went with out them for 5 days every month. For the first 3 months swim felt zero with drawls and if he did they were so mild it did not bother him. In fact the first thing he noticed was the psychological problems before the physical ones. He realized he enjoyed life a hell of alot more on the meds then off of them, it wasnet untill a little while longer that w/d started to happen when he ran out of meds. Oddly enough he use to get bad hot and cold flashes during w/d which he considerd the wosrt part of the addiction. Now that symtom is gone for one reason or the other. Its been 2 years of morphine/oxy daily and swim is in w/d right now hoplefully for only a few more hours. but he is only experincing restlessness and fatigue, lack of appetite, and thats it. SWIMS W/D seem to have gotten easier to handle as time went on it is usally just the oppisite my dose is 200mg daily. Anyways good luck with your experiment, and dont enjoy it too much

[zachfromtexas]

Originally Posted by swellin

Sounds like a plan, here is a little info on how swim became addicted. Swim started taking morphine on and off for about 2 years. Then one day daily and continued to take them daily for about 3months, had enough pill for 25 days out of each month, so swim went with out them for 5 days every month. For the first 3 months swim felt zero with drawls and if he did they were so mild it did not bother him. In fact the first thing he noticed was the psychological problems before the physical ones. He realized he enjoyed life a hell of alot more on the meds then off of them, it wasnet untill a little while longer that w/d started to happen when he ran out of meds. Oddly enough he use to get bad hot and cold flashes during w/d which he considerd the wosrt part of the addiction. Now that symtom is gone for one reason or the other. Its been 2 years of morphine/oxy daily and swim is in w/d right now hoplefully for only a few more hours. but he is only experincing restlessness and fatigue, lack of appetite, and thats it. SWIMS W/D seem to have gotten easier to handle as time went on it is usally just the oppisite my dose is 200mg daily. Anyways good luck with your experiment, and dont enjoy it too much

Thanks for sharing. It helps swims understand better this could really go wrong just by getting a really good feeling, then chasing that feeling forever. So far all is good and he received his 10 pills today instead of next Tuesday. Although the weekend is open there is no urge to take anything plus he has set a limit so they will sit until mid next week or later, depends if he's in the mood and has someone to keep him company

[swellin]

Another thing i should mention, i was able to go on and off for months and months, with 100% control just like you i started out using once a week, and would have my stash right beside me on my night stand. And had enough control not to touch it for a week. I actually remember the point where i started using daily. I knew i shouldn't do it, but ignored all the signs and the comments in my head, and continued to use daily. I was either in denial, or i just didn't give a shit most likely the latter, ive never felt better, and i have never been as productive. Ive accepted it and am forever glad i took this one pill one day that i found, other wise i would never know the glow he he . Ill continue to use as long as im prescribed. Anyways glood luck to you, would like to hear an update later on.

[zachfromtexas]

SWIM received another 10 so he had 20 pills total and did 4 of them last night. He does not like the high he gets from oxy's (nervious and not settled mostly) so he is giving the other 16 left over to the garbage man. Next on SWIM's list is to make some poppy tea and give that a try to see what it is like. Also on the list is to try some Kratom. Only for experiment purposes then he's done with the opiate playing. Swim think when he is done expermenting he will go back to his normal boring routine of sober with occasional bud and xanax to break out of shyness during parties.

He tried it...Nothing there for him

[Lady Codone]

I wouldn't say it's necessarily a 99.9% addiction rate, but any time you take opiates you risk addiction, period. The only way to eliminate that risk is to avoid using them altogether.

With that said, SWIYou're unlikely to experience physical withdrawals sticking to the schedule you mentioned. Cravings and psychological dependence are another story. With low-to-moderate use, the biggest pitfall is the cravings, the "well, I'll just deviate from my schedule this ONCE for ______ reason", etc. It's all about willpower and determination until the use gets constant enough to cause physical addiction, which just adds another obstacle to sobriety.

In short, you have to really consider whether you think SWIYour willpower and knowledge of opiates is strong enough to risk it. Some people make it, others don't. If addiction to ANY substance/activity runs in your family, I'd strongly advise against using drugs as addictive as opiates, or if you yourself have faced compulsive behaviors in the past.