Drug info - Blue Buddha blotter acid

[Richi]

This acid supposedly came from France, but I have no idea how likely that is, just hearsay. The DEA busted 4 individuals back December of 2007, and that supply was in California. So where is it coming from these days?

It's called Blue Buddha blotter acid, and has spread through southern Ontario. It's also not perforated, would that imply it could be something other than acid? The sheet is divided into 100 hits, each being 1/4". He hasn't checked if it glows under black light, but hopes to soon.

It made it into the hands of a friend of mine, and he took pictures for me.

[terrapinzflyer]

Swim hasn't run across this one- but even if he had he would never point in the direction of the source on a public forum, and would strongly advise others not to as well...

As to the lack of perforations- not that uncommon, it both reduces costs and is safer to transport.

[old hippie 56]

Hell, he didn't ask for a source. Just a general idea of what part of the world they originated from.

[SullyGuy]

This is good news, there's acid in southern Ontario!

And to be honest, SWIM would bet it came out of the east or west coast. (Also, LSD glows under a blacklight?)

[Ilsa]

Originally Posted by Richi

It's called Blue Buddha blotter acid, and has spread through southern Ontario. It's also not perforated, would that imply it could be something other than acid? The sheet is divided into 100 hits, each being 1/4". He hasn't checked if it glows under black light, but hopes to soon.

It made it into the hands of a friend of mine, and he took pictures for me.

my cat thinks this post has been adequately amended, it seems appropriate (she didn't see the first one) and in no way offers or asks for sources.

Originally Posted by SullyGuy

(Also, LSD glows under a blacklight?)

phosphors are responsible for the emission of light by certain objects, such as white t-shirts. ultraviolet (UV) light is at the very high energy, short wavelength end of the light spectrum, and being so energetic uv light is capable of causing excitation of certain compounds that emit fluorescence when excited by electrons, of which light is composed.

pure lsd should fluoresce around in the 300 - 400 nm wavelength range:
Reuschel RA, Eades D and Foltz, RL. Journal of Chromatography B: Biomedical Sciences and Applications. 73 (1-2) 145-149

basicallly they state that: "Because LSD possesses native fluorescence... excitation and emission wavelengths were 320 and 400 nm, respectively."

I will get the full paper when i have time to make it to the library, as it's not available on-line (i have a hard copy, but am not typing the entire thing-sorry )


Nearly 4000 urine specimens, mainly from psychiatric patients or drug abusers were screened for LSD using the CEDIA DAU LSD assay. LSD positive samples (n = 48, cut-off: 500 pg/mL) were confirmed by HPLC (100 RP8 cartridge, mobile phase: acetonitrile - 50 mM potassium phosphate buffer pH 2.3) with fluorescence detection ... ex/em: 315/420 nm. excitation occurs at a wavelength of 315 nm, acceptance of an electron from a high energy source, and emission of said electron occurs at 400 nm and can be visualized as fluorescence.

*nerd note: this is not to be confused with chemiluminesence, which occure by a different mechanism, but also results in light emission; an example would be the iron-catalyzed luminol reaction: light production when the iron-containing heme groups in red blood cells react with oxygen radicals (iron catalyzes, or speeds up in a sense, this reaction), as in forensics.

now that my cat has gone totally off-topic, it HAS been a long time since she's seen lsd in any forum, in her day it was mainly geltabs and liquid, with blotter around only rarely. she's never seen prints like that....they'd make an interesting picture assortment if various hindu deities were also represented. ok, off-topic again, sorry


is it typical now to see that type of print? the cat has seen blotter perforated and unperforated, for whatever reason, it had no correlation, that she noticed, with quality. transport has been mentioned, which makes sense, especially with something such at that seen in the OP, which could easily pass for a picture or print.

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[Richi]

Old hippie was right all along, and I've asked a moderator for clarification. A country is not a source, it is only where the drug was produced. Would be similar to discussing marijuana that was grown in Mexico for example.

Like Isla explained (in detail!) LSD does glow under UV light. It's important to note that UV light also destroys the molecule, along with heat and free-radicals, so don't test a whole sheet!

[terrapinzflyer]

Swim did not mean to imply in any way that the O.P. in any way ventured into (prohibited) source discussion.
Swims point was that LSD is probably THE drug that most terrifies the powers that be, and hence, they spend a great deal of energy trying to erradicate it. So any discussion on a public forum that points to the higher level sources of LSD is not only dangerous, it is disrespectful to those that risk their freedom to bring it to the masses.
If this had simply been a discussion of where a blotter was circulating- then no problem, because the feds most likely already know this. But to discuss where a blotter or crystal is being sourced/produced is a whole other ballgame.

Sorry to ride the soapbox, but swims terrapin grew up on shakedown street and this subject touches a little close to home. Most users have no idea what the LSD families go through to keep this on the street.

[Ilsa]

@ Richi great point! UV light will destroy the lsd. it's capable of breaking some of the strongest chemical bonds, like covalent bonds. for example, it causes mutation in dna called a thymine dimer:




so if:

purple = C (cytosine)
blue = T (thymine)
orange = G (guanine)
red = A (adenine)

C bonds with T and G bonds with C, but when a TT dimer occurs, it causes a mutation in the DNA sequence; this mutation is strongly linked to various types of skin cancers, which is bad for people, but UV light is an excellent antimicrobial agent, in its defense. i meant to include a warning in my laxt post about the use of UV light, as it causes the aforementioned thymine dimers and corresponding cancers in humans with prolonged exposure. it also does particularly nasty damage to the retina, lesions being among them. use appropriate protective glasses at least when working with high intesity UV light, or deal with a nasty burn! hell, we use full face shields in my lab.

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	a little off topic but good post, SWIm can't believe all the people that use tanning beds!
	yes, a little off topic, swim meant it lightly. it just seemed like you really loved genetics. :)

[Richi]

I'm not sure if LSD is the drug most feared by the governments of our various countries. It is definitely the most exotic, and finding a source would be big news, but I think drugs like methamphetamine and heroin are causing much more damage to society at this point in time.

As far as naming the country of origin, I specified that this is hearsay, and that I have no idea how likely it is. If, and I say if I was producing LSD, and shipping it world-wide, I would do my best to send it with someone who wouldn't say where it came from. Or I'd lie to throw everyone off.

Russia, perhaps? Germany's got some clever scientists too. Maybe I would cook it in my bath tub and sell it to the guy next door, telling him it flew in from Japan. Not that I'm planning to... I just mean to point out that the DEA or FBI or whoever are not likely to add a red flag to the country of France on their world collective world map based on my post above.

[Paroxysm]

Originally Posted by Richi

I'm not sure if LSD is the drug most feared by the governments of our various countries. It is definitely the most exotic, and finding a source would be big news, but I think drugs like methamphetamine and heroin are causing much more damage to society at this point in time.

Depends what you mean by damage. Methamphetamine and heroin users are great in the eyes of the people in power. Those 2 drugs keeps masses of people occupied in a stupor for their entire lives.
LSD opens peoples eyes to allow them to see how their being fucked by the system every single day. So through the eyes of the status-quo - LSD is far more dangerous to them.

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

Depends what you mean by damage. Methamphetamine and heroin users are great in the eyes of the people in power. Those 2 drugs keeps masses of people occupied in a stupor for their entire lives.
LSD opens peoples eyes to allow them to see how their being fucked by the system every single day. So through the eyes of the status-quo - LSD is far more dangerous to them.

You bring up a very good point, but I don't believe this effect is very significant. I remember when marijuana, and psychedelics even more so first opened some crazy pot heads eyes to such notions: that happiness really comes from within, materialism is the downfall of society, natural ways are the ways to go, etc etc. I've also had many conversations with people who, under such an influence, agree. But this does not last. I still consume more than ever, I still seek happiness elsewhere, and I still don't give a shit about the environment.

Do note, I say that last bit from a self-critical point of view. I would like to say I care for the environment, and really I feel that I do, but in reality I do nothing about it. I don't go plant treas, I don't clean up the ocean, I drive back and forth all day, so I act as though I don't give a shit.

[Ilsa]

just a clarification:

while i appreciate the thought and attempt to keep the thread on topic, allow me to link my last post to the OP:


my last post is relevant to the OP, as part of question was "is this lsd?" and since lsd does fluoresce, that would be a viable test for it, although others would be needed to be definitive.

lol, and i actually detest genetics, but the warning is entirely appropriate for anyone considering using UV as a means of detecting lsd, as it can cause serious damage to skin and eyes. better safe and informed than sorry and lacking information.

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Good job clairifying everything up and informing people of this with lsd

[psychs]

You should tell your friend that it is probably not a good idea to store it wrapped up in aluminum foil as it can degrade it

[Richi]

Originally Posted by Ilsa

my last post is relevant to the OP, as part of question was "is this lsd?" and since lsd does fluoresce, that would be a viable test for it, although others would be needed to be definitive.

lol, and i actually detest genetics, but the warning is entirely appropriate for anyone considering using UV as a means of detecting lsd, as it can cause serious damage to skin and eyes. better safe and informed than sorry and lacking information.

Much agreed, LSD does fluoresce, but DNA sequences and C's T's G'a and A's don't have much to do with it.

Thanks for the explanation though, on LSD.

Originally Posted by psychs

You should tell your friend that it is probably not a good idea to store it wrapped up in aluminum foil as it can degrade it

Do you have any further information to back up this claim? The aluminum foil protects it from UV light.

[old hippie 56]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ht=storing+LSD

Might be helpful.

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good link to storage info