Dose - 1-2nd time heroin user quesitons

[BALL3R]

*******PLEASE DONT CRITICIZE MY MONKEY BeCAUSE SHE'S GOING TO TRY HEROIN , SHE'S DONE HER RESEARCH AND HAS DECIDED TO TRY IT OUT*******


swim has been taking oxys for a while now and decided to try out heroin, and he wants to know :
1. if you can put some heroin in a cigarette instead of snorting it or banging it ( needles ).
2. if so how does swim go about it ?
3. swim have black tar looking heroin. how much is enough to make him feel as if swim was on oxy's ?
4. is there any BAD tripps the first time or will i feeel GOOOOD right away ?
5. if i cant smoke it in a cigarette , is there away i can put it in some juice or something ? i really dont want to snort or inject it.

Thanks

[mullet0224]

It would be best if you didn't smoke it in a cigarette. Direct flame will destroy it. Try vaporizing it (chasing the dragon), by placing a small piece on foil and heating it from underneath the foil and inhaling the fumes through a straw.
It works particularly well with black tar, and its great since you can measure your dose hit-by-hit (I've read that smoking it hits you around as fast as injecting it does, or at least close)

Everyone SWIM knows has felt good right away. Unless SWIY does too much, then swiy won't really have a "Bad trip" like you do on acid but its possible to get sick and spend a lot of your experience puking, or possibly overdose.

I think you can take it orally, but its not recommended. Its apparently not much stronger than morphine when you do it that way. SWIM really recommends smoking it off foil. Theres a thread somewhere around here that explains more in-depth how to do that.

[roberto1888]

oral use of H is not an efficient way of ingesting it, something to do with the acid in the stomach destroying it or something (not sure exactly but I know oral use is not good).

[Donmeka]

with black tar like H it is best to do what mullet said grab a piece of foil and a hollowed pen or straw and use indirect heat ie. lighting the piece underneath a little in front of it and inhaling the smoke by following the piece as it slides across the foil, just make sure not to tip it too far so the piece rolls off lol. and for the best results do not have the fire too close as to burn it faster or burn the trail it leaves behind as the trail of tar can be smoked later on.

enjoy but be safe please, and beware! many people including SWIM moved from oxy to heroin and although both very strong, heroin is a BEAST compared to OC but both will give horrendous withdrawals.

[Mr.Safety]

Swim perfers snorting... but since SWIY has black tar H... smoking would be the best option.

[SmokeNmirrors]

Swim would recommend chasing the dragon method as mullet suggested. Its safer then the other methods and with being black tar it is easily smoke able rather then mixing it with water and snorting it.

[dkmonk]

swim would advise just iv'ing it your going to get the real effects of what it is suppose to do, and eventually your going to do it anyway

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Stupid ridiculous statement to give a newbie
	this is the crappest advice ive ever read on the internet.
	Tse, Tse, this is a very bad posting, don`t do that!

[Lac_Man]

Swim will add his $.02 on this, althought it might be redundant, it will reinforce what swim believes is good advice.

Originally Posted by BALL3R

swim has been taking oxys for a while now and decided to try out heroin, and he wants to know :

1. if you can put some heroin in a cigarette instead of snorting it or banging it ( needles ).

1. Yes swiy can, in some places it's the social way to do H; tar or powder. But swim believes it not to be the most efficient way of doing black tar. Injecting is the best for tar in swimyself's honest opinion, but since swiy is staying away from that (which is really a good idea, by the way) sticking a small amount, say about the size of a wooden-match head on a piece of foil (shiny side up!) and toasting it from the bottom with a soft flame (not a torch lighter, something like a Bic - torch will burn through the foil in a matter of seconds) and inhaling the smoke with a straw or rolled foil - a dollar bill tooter obsorbs too much of the dope and wastes it, a straw can be cut long-ways and "shaved" to get the remnants off and a foil tooter can be unrolle and smoked off of! Ta-da! Swiy might "over cook" it the first time, but swiy will quickly learn, as the taste of burning foil and cashed or "spent" tar heroin is horible, how long to toast it for. Also, if swiy tries the 'foil-method' for smoking: start sucking on the tooter before swiy lights the lighter, once the dope starts to smoke, it smokes in quantity and fast!

2. if so how does swim go about it ?

2. If swiy does choose to do the cigarette thing, sticking the same amount (match-head size) in the end of a packed cigarette will work fine. Packing the cigarette(s) allows enough room to stick the dope in the end and then fold over the remaining paper so the tar doesn't fall out.

3. swim have black tar looking heroin. how much is enough to make him feel as if swim was on oxy's ?

3. Like swim has been stating, swim believes doing a match-head amount is perfect. It allows the user to go hit-by-hit and easily monitor how mch is enough. Swim can say this: first or second time, it won't take much. Another problem with the cigarette method pops up here: adding much more than a match-head size amount of 'H' to the end of a cigarette will go to waste, and adding the dope to the exterior of the cigarette will not allow much, if any of the smoke from the tar to be inhaled. So swiy would basically have to light a new cigarette for every hit.

What is the mg quantity that swiy usually does of OxyContin?

Swim respectfully disagrees with the person who suggested that smoking takes effect as fast as injecting - in swim's experience, it "hits" the user fast, but not as fast as injection. Swim would say take a hit, wait a couple minutes and hit again. After swiy figures out the proper overall dossage, swiy can smoke away until the correct amount of hits are taken.

4. is there any BAD tripps the first time or will i feeel GOOOOD right away ?

4. Swim personally associates trips, good or bad, only to psychedelics. But going off of swiy's basic logic, like stated above, swiy will only have a bad experience, or feel bad, if swiy smokes too much, whic if you take a couple minute break in between hits, swiy should be gravy.

5. if i cant smoke it in a cigarette , is there away i can put it in some juice or something ? i really dont want to snort or inject it.

5. Swim's suggested method is listed in the first question's response, but puttin it in juice, or any other liquid won't be a great method. Tar usually needs to be heated to a certain extent in order for it to dissolve into the water. This would be the way to snort it though - if you do end up deciding to do that. Using the same measuring technique, swiy can put a match-head amount into a spoon with as little water as possible as lightly heat it to dissolve the dope - let cool and snort. Using as little water as possible makes snorting it a little more comfortable...about as comfortable as snorting black tar-tainted water can be...

In swim's opinion, if swiy isn't injecting, snorting is the next best via. The only reason swim doesn't like smoking is the taste. Black tar heroin has a horrific taste to it...swim means HORRIBLE. Could just be swim's taste buds or experience, but it can be vomit inducing!

Thanks

Originally Posted by dkmonk

swim would advise just iv'ing it your going to get the real effects of what it is suppose to do, and eventually your going to do it anyway

Swim has to respectfully disagree here, too...black tar isn't necessarily supposed to be injected, swim has talked with some people from south-of-the-border who suggest that black tar's high is better achieved from smoking it. Also, hopefully switOP will not end up IVing it, swiy and/or swim can't assume that anyway. Swim has done tar on/off for about a decade and has injected it for the majority of the time - injecting any type of heroin is incredibly seductive as many know, it's not just the high, but the process or "ritual," so if switOP manages to stay away from needles, more power to 'em!


Sorry for the rant(s)!

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by BALL3R

1. if you can put some heroin in a cigarette instead of snorting it or banging it ( needles ).

Yes, swiny can do this.
Swim use many Times H. in a Joint or even in a Bong.
Many People in Northern India, Nepal and Pakistan somke Heroin
only in a cigarette!
(Tinfoil is very expensive and many Place never seen a Roll)

Originally Posted by BALL3R

2. if so how does swim go about it ?

Like Hasch but of course much less!

Originally Posted by BALL3R

3. swim have black tar looking heroin. how much is enough to make him feel as if swim was on oxy's ?

This no-one can tell you here in this honourable Forum,
because all Heroin comes in very different concentrations
and we don`t see swiny, we don`t know his Weight and his high.
If swiny have a look into a medical Index and compare Oxy`s with Morphin
he will get a little bit of knowledge!

Originally Posted by BALL3R

4. is there any BAD tripps the first time or will i feeel GOOOOD right away ?

Swim think swiny will start to Vomit,(mostly everyone is doing so)
don`t mix your session with Alkohol and/or Benzodiazepam.
(Read more Background Information here)

Originally Posted by BALL3R

5. if i cant smoke it in a cigarette , is there away i can put it in some juice or something ? i really dont want to snort or inject it.

Naturally the Taste of Heroin is very, very bitter!

Originally Posted by BALL3R

Thanks

Dozo, feel free to ask anybody here

My Cat want to say (she is always very noisy):
"Stay on medical Opioids, only with them swiny will know what he get"!

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Solid informative responses to each question, gj.
	A solid well considered response
	Thorough response to each question

[dkmonk]

sorry swim was just being honest and giving swims opinion

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Monkey would suggest avoiding the needle at all costs, it brings its own addiction, but smoking on a cig is highly inefective and a waste of dope. For smoking he recommends chasing the dragon (USFSE) but honestly the best way to experience heroin without the needle is snorting. Or so he has heard.

[PuKeTaG]

swim agrees with the smoking method, it is much safer and swim enjoys chasing that blob around.

make sure your tooter is also made of foil, because once it runs out you will be wanting more, unwrap your tooter and voila, bonus H.

If you feel sick from smoking too much, close your eyes and lie down on your back and let the waves of nausea pass. Even if you do start puking, you probably won't care that much.

[zulu1690]

swim would totally agree that chasing is the best way to go as swiy will know when swiy has had enough.a much safer way altogether especially if swiy is new to H.please tell swiy to take care.