Germany - Mephedrone - Legal Status in Germany & Flying in Possession

[babymakesbeats]

SWIM recently tried mephedrone and thought it was incredible! Better than any ecstasy or MDMA SWIM has been able to get hold of for a while.

SWIM has quite a bit of money saved up, and is hitting some festivals in Europe. SWIM knows that it's illegal in Sweden, but is wondering what the legal status is in Germany.

Also, what do SWIYS reckon about flying in possession? Naturally, SWIM would hide it somewhere suitable (no matter what the legal status is flying with a baggy full of white powder is likely to raise some eyebrows)

Does anybody know if dogs can smell it, and also what would be likely to happen if SWIM was caught (i.e. after testing, once it was known it wasn't a banned substance, would it be confiscated? what else could happen?) ?

Is there any risk of SWIM facing drugs trafficking charges for taking this on a plane?

Any help any magic roundabout character could offer would be much appreciated by SWIM.



PS, SWIM believes that at the moment transporting mephedrone in Europe would be legal.

[Froster]

While it could be legal (I'm unsure of the German legal situation), I would advise extreme caution about SWIY taking it through airports. If SWIY gets caught, they'd stand a good chance of being arrested on suspicion of possession of MDMA or coke. If that happens SWIY, would not have a good holiday having spent some time in the cells while the issue is cleared up.

If SWIY had to do this then best way would be to stick a small amount where the sun don't shine!

SWIM has never seen dogs in Customs in a EU airport. SWIM has no experience of flying in and out of a German airport though. SWIM almost got caught carrying illegal contraband flying into a Scottish airport who seem to be quite strict compared to the rest of the UK and EU.

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good advice, never travel wih a white powder

[babymakesbeats]

SWIM can confirm that scottish airports seem to be much stricter about searching etc (from Edinburgh at least)

SWIM thought that if SWIM did get caught they would think it was cocaine or MDMA.

SWIM does believe those ion scans would give an immediate result?

Does anyone have any experience of airport security, as in what the procedures are?

Also, are there restrictions of carrying herbal high chemicals in generaly (as in the lists of dangerous/prohibited items unrelated to their legal status)

[ex-junkie]

^swim has been through airport security in australia, singapore, holland and sweden. she didnt have anything on her btw. not once did she any sniffer dogs. she isnt even sure that sniffer dogs pick up the scent of mephedrone. this is a good question.

if its in your bag, then it goes through the xray machine and will be noticed. but if its in your pocket, you are only walking through a metal detector- so if youre lucky enough to avoid the dogs, then youre alright. however, if you appear to be nervous (as you would be lol), then theyll single you out. airport security staff glare everyone down, so if theres something in your pocket, youre gonna look like a guilty person. i suppose thats why they do it eh.

swim did see one person being patted down on her way out of holland.

still a huge risk to take with ones freedom though.

*swim is only speaking from experience in above mentioned countries, in answer to the above posters question, not the OPs.

someone who definitely isnt me did fly with ecstasy tablets from adelaide to queensland in australia once. the security is pretty tight in australia as you all know...

[terrapinzflyer]

regardless of its "legal" status anything that can get swiy high can also get swiy in a lot of trouble. While swiy may not end up being convicted, swiy has still been through the ringer.

Swims terrapin never really thinks twice about travelling with drugs, but is also a master of the jedi mind trick. swims terrapin can be nailed dead to rights and still walk away- its just a gift. But if swiy has ANY issues dealing with authorities swims terrapin wouldn't recommend it. swims terrapin usually travels alone because there are only a hanful of other turtles hes met that can pull it off.

Swims terrapin also says- there a million safe ways to travel with personal amounts of a questionable substance. he won't recommend any, but simply says think, then stand on your head, and think again.

Swims terrapin also would like to point out the serious safety concerns re: mephedrone - just see Alfas recent posts in the RC section. Swims terrapins friend the sorcerers apprentice warned him quite a while back NOT to labrat this substance.

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good answer to the question :)

[ex-junkie]

does travelling with drugs like mephedrone count as a federal offence if caught?

[babymakesbeats]

I think, ex-junkie, it would count as a federal offence because as a beta-analogue of MDMA it's banned under the blanket legislation that exists in the USA.

Someone with a bit more knowledge of US law should probably clarify/expand on that though.

I'll have a search and see what i can find.

[Sarko]

SWIM has been over quite a bit of Europe and seen dogs in many airports; Spain and Italy are two that come to mind.

As others have said, it isn't worth the risk as they won't let SWIY on a flight if they found it. Could SWIY not book a hotel or hostel and get a package delivered there to the country they are travelling to?

[beemac]

Dogs are trained to smell specific drugs, no? Mostly the biggies - heroin, coke/crack, meth, cannabis etc. I am not all too sure about that, but I'm quite sure I saw it on a TV documentary many moons ago, abviously no source to reference.

Personally, swim wouldn't like to risk staying in a prison cell for X weeks whilst his dodgy looking white powder is sent away to a (corrupt? depending on where you are) criminal investigation lab.

Best bet as mentioned above, in my opinion, is to perhaps see if swiy can get it mailed to a hotel/hostel that you would be staying at, or (rules allowing) ask a fellow DF member to receive it and perhaps have a mini meet up and session?

beemac added 3 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

if its in your bag, then it goes through the xray machine and will be noticed. but if its in your pocket, you are only walking through a metal detector- so if youre lucky enough to avoid the dogs, then youre alright. however, if you appear to be nervous (as you would be lol), then theyll single you out. airport security staff glare everyone down, so if theres something in your pocket, youre gonna look like a guilty person. i suppose thats why they do it eh.

If any of the security staff have any idea what meph smells like themselves, they won't need a scanner, they will smell it as soon as you get out of the taxi to get into the airport!! The stench of the darn stuff is the only draw-back to it imho! (Swim saying this whilst sweating out all his meph from last night

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good advice

[babymakesbeats]

SWIM is leaning towards getting it posted to a hostel or buying it out there.

Do any SWIY know if you can get it in headshops ? SWIM has asked alfa in a PM if they do in the netherlands......

Also, do any hobbits have experience of receiving packages in hostels ?