Drug info - "Hybrid" Cannabis is it real?

[baron samedi]

SWIM is sure that most of SWIY will be familiar with "legal bud", which seems to come from US mostly. SWIM was always under the impression that this was just a mixture of (mildly) psychoactive herbs pressed together to give the visual impression of marijuana buds.
The other day however, by chance he found his way to a page linked to the most well-known seller of such goods, which seemed to claim that some of the buds being sold were in fact cannabis hybridized with blueberry say. Because there is no law banning the use of "hybrid cannabis", this could be sold legally, while still being technically (in part) cannabis.
Is there any truth in this sales pitch, or is it just a scam?

[Samadhi]

Plants cannot be sold legally in the USA containing THC or any other scheduled material, the hybridized plants advertised often have other synthetic cannabinoids in them.

overall, swim says legal buds aren't that worth it, they give off a mild buzz and a sorta good time, but there is a reason that THC is illegal; because it is a good time.

[baron samedi]

The page SWIM read claimed that most laws relate to the cannabis plant itself, therefore meaning that a hybrid plant containing THC would be legal to obtain. It shows red hairs on the buds to back-up the claim.
SWIM is pretty skeptical about it, but has never heard this particular sales-pitch before. Is there a loophole that would allow such a thing?

[old hippie 56]

No loophole. Every time a new cannabinoid is discovered, the DEA is really quick to slap a Schedule I classification on it.
As for a hybrid cannabis plant, some growers call a plant that has both sativa and indica strains.

[baron samedi]

In the ingredient lists for some of the products, it lists cannnabacea buds. Is this just hops or hemp?

[porchy]

Cannabaceae is the family of plants that contains; cannabis, hops and hackberry. A simple google search would have shown this. It almost certainly doesn't contain cannabis buds. This means that the mixture could contain buds any genus from this family of plants.

[baron samedi]

SWIM just had a faint hope that the blurb he read about a loophole, allowing THC containing plants as long as they weren't considered as marijuana, but presumably if this were the case, people on these boards would be wise to such a thing. Since he heard about the "legal bud" thing, about 4-5 years ago, he's assumed that it's a scam. The page he read which talked about cannabis/blueberry plant hybrids sounded interesting though.

[old hippie 56]

Kinda off topic, but anybody ever see cotton seed from a gin. It looks and smells like Mexican brick weed.

[baron samedi]

SWIM's never had brick weed before. Common in the Americas isn't it?

[old hippie 56]

Some of it is ok, the rest sucks. Below is a picture.

[baron samedi]

Isn't it just low-grade, dried out marijuana pressed into bricks?
SWIM has come across stuff in UK called "bush" which seems similar. Lots of seeds in it.

[old hippie 56]

Have seen high grade done the same way to save on space.

[Blindmelon]

^^ This is much like the bud SWIM has been getting recently. The last lot was CRAP, but the most recent was actually quite good. It was a very "heavy" smoke, although SWIM has grown the seeds and it has turned out to be what looks like a sativa.

It did have LOADS of seeds and stalk, but SWIMS "8th" was more like a 1/4 so he doesn't really care

If SWIY is looking for legal highs, the only think coming close to weed SWIM has found is Spice. Its expensive, but good

[baron samedi]

SWIM finds Spice and its competitors effective, but with much less euphoria and more side-effects/aftereffects. Maybe others are affected differently than SWIM but there's something about them SWIM doesn't really like, despite getting very mashed from them many times.
SWIM thought maybe American (?) "legal bud" might have caught up, but he still hasn't heard any independant, positive comments about them, apart from messages on their websites. They don't seem to compare to the real thing or Spice, Yucatan etc.
Is the "brick" bud cheaper than usual "weed" sold expensively in UK, SWIBlindmelon?

[Blindmelon]

Hell yes. Swim thinks mostly because it is so dry (more bud for the weight). SWIM usually has to add some orange peel to freshen it up. The last lot he got was £XX for, what he would say (no scales), is more like a 1/4. Its not the best SWIM has had, but its not bad either.

[baron samedi]

Strange that there seems to be no price difference in relation to the quality of weed. The "bush" SWIM has had in the past has been quite poor quality really. He did have one really dark/black bit once which smelled of orange, which was actually pretty nice.

[Kryokill]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

Strange that there seems to be no price difference in relation to the quality of weed. The "bush" SWIM has had in the past has been quite poor quality really. He did have one really dark/black bit once which smelled of orange, which was actually pretty nice.

swim feels this is down to the individual selling the smoke. swim knows some people who charge based on quality whereas other peeps that don't know shit about the green just go on weight regardless.

a friend of a friend of a friend of swims once tried to sell him some bush at the same price as high grade skunk. Needless to say he was informed about the "quality" of his wares and what he could do with his prices

[CrookedEye]

The US also has an analog act, which makes anything that even acts similar to a scheduled drug illegal. So for the "legal buds" SWIY is speaking of, SWIM would guarantee they aren't cannabis sativa/indica/ruderalis and most definitely don't have any THC in them..

[nibble]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

The US also has an analog act, which makes anything that even acts similar to a scheduled drug illegal. So for the "legal buds" SWIY is speaking of, SWIM would guarantee they aren't cannabis sativa/indica/ruderalis and most definitely don't have any THC in them..

Well that's debatable, if read at absolute face value the act would need the substance in question to be similar in structure, act in a similar pharmacological manner and be prepared/sold for human consumption. It seems they can twist this to suit themselves though.

Anyway I am not aware of any known plant species that contains cannabinoid compounds, I suppose strictly they would be cannabimimetic compounds when not found in the cannabis plant. I said known though, it is possible that there are other plants that contain compounds that would bind to CB receptors. There are so many species of plants that are completely unknown to humans, many are being destroyed so there could be some out there but we may never know.. I certainly don't think that any of these "legal buds" contain anything that is going to get you stoned though.
The cannabis/blueberry plant hybrids is absolute nonsense, you can't simply cross random plants with each other to produce new ones! Unless the author of this page has discovered some groundbreaking new techniques?

[baron samedi]

The cannabis/blueberry plant hybrids is absolute nonsense, you can't simply cross random plants with each other to produce new ones! Unless the author of this page has discovered some groundbreaking new techniques?

SWIM would happily provide a link to the page in question, but it does seem to be linked to a site selling the stuff (surprise, surprise).
Presumably, it is just a selling strategy designed to target teens who have little knowledge of drug laws or cannabis cultivation. It sounded promising when SWIM first read it though, LOL!

[nibble]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

SWIM would happily provide a link to the page in question, but it does seem to be linked to a site selling the stuff (surprise, surprise).
Presumably, it is just a selling strategy designed to target teens who have little knowledge of drug laws or cannabis cultivation. It sounded promising when SWIM first read it though, LOL!

Unfortunately that's probably it. Maybe we will find another cannabinoid containing plant some day, but it won't be some sort of frankenstein blueberry/cannabis plant!