Comedown - Heroin for oxy withdrawals

[oxyc]

Swim was wondering if he could smoke/snort heroin to combat hellish oxy withdrawals, swim has not taken h before but can get some if need be he wouldnt inject h but would consider it if it would help, any help for swim would be great

[Junkhead23]

Pacman wouldn't recomend it. SWIY would be swapping a weaker opiate for a sronger one. It would make the hell longer not shorter

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	High Value agreement, h would be a terrible move for oxy withdrawls.
	Good advice

[JonDub]

Yeah not a good idea at all. I had started with Oxy's because of a medical condition I was prescribed them and did the same thing you are talking about and ended WAY more hooked on Heroin than I ever was on Oxy. Then I tried to get back on Oxy to curb the Heroin withdrawals and it was a big ol' mess. Basically you need to taper down as much as possible with the opiates and bite the bullet and enjoy the hellish withdrawals. Theres no get out of jail free card. The closest thing I had to that was one time when I was kicking Heroin I got on Suboxone which worked great until... .. ...you eventually still gotta come off the Suboxone. WHile the Suboxone withdrawal wasn't as bad it lasted ALOT longer than Heroin's. Stay away from the Heroin if you can. You won't ever go back to Oxy thats for sure. Heroins stronger (atleast good heroin) and cheaper. Can't go wrong there.

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM will say 2 things:

1) About half the dope addicts he know went from functioning oxycotin users to completely utterly ruined IV heroin addicts, and were in love with heroin and could give a shit about oxycotin the second they tried it.

2) SWIM heard and read that oxycotin withdrawals are shorter but more severe, whereas heroin is less but longer - if that is a factor you with to consider. Obviously this concerns relative doses.

[Spucky]

Swim recommend that swiny change to the liquid form of Oxycontin,
that is much easy`r to reduce!
If swiny want to WD. and need a advise!

"Normally" a WD. from a short-lasting Half-Life Opioid like Heroin
is very painful for a few Days, (it comes in 24 Hours, stay for 72 and need 120 to go)
a long acting Opioid like Oxycontin make it less painful but need much more Time!

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right on with the timing

[LinusMundane]

SWIM has never used H, but wanted to touch on the comment about Suboxone above.

SWIM was and is again addicted to oxycodone, mainly in the 30mg "rockers" form as they are called around here, SWIM, back in October of 2008 got a hold of 25 8mg subs and decided it was time to be done with opiates. He waited until the w/d's kicked in and popped 4mg of suboxone, he would do that 2 times a day for 25 days, at the end of the 25 days he was out of subs, had no oxy's around in any form and woke up in the morning feeling like he hadn't felt in years, good.

He never had a craving for anything after that, never had a bad day or night and this was coming off a 250 mg/day(minimum) oxy habit. No w/d's from the subs either and if it wasn't for his cursed luck in finding a bottle of "rockers" on the side of the road fresh from the pharmacy and containing 120 pills, he would probably still not be on anything to this day. Alas, he is and is hoping to find someone selling subs again so he can finally be done.

So what he is trying to say is, if done right, SWIY should be able to miss w/d's completely with the use of suboxone.

[JonDub]

Im a Chronic Pain patient and probably will be till the day I die. So I constantly wear a 100mcg Fentanyl Patch and take 4 Dilaudid 4mg's a day just to keep out of pain. In fear of a day when the Pharmacy is closed or I miss a doctors appointment or something where i'd end up without my medication I actually keep a bottle of Suboxone still till this day. 30 8mg pills. Suboxone is a life saver when you need to detox. I swear buy it.

[oxyc]

Thanks for the replies guys, how or where would swim get suboxone is it prescribed by a doctor, tell swim what they are for swim is interested

[beena]

DON'T DO IT!!! Seriously mate, YES of course heroin will work for Oxy withdrawal, the problem is if SWIY is the kind of 'swimmer' who likes opiates then you're gonna LOVE heroin! It's a natural progression for many people, including SWIM herself. I mean, SWIM started off popping tramadol, quite by accident really - she'd never thought about prescription pills as being recreational drugs and it never occured to her that she was messing with opiates or opioids. From tramadol she tried Oxy's, then Fentanyl patches, then diamorphine and later morphine in the form of MST tablets.
Even when SWIM was having to take morphine every day to stop physical w/d she still didn't consider herself a junkie. Well ... nothing like a heroin addict anyway - she wasn't in that category - after all, she didn't stick a needle in her arm. But you know, there's really not that much difference and she wasn't that far removed. She was addicted to opiates, the same as a heroin addict, she just thought she was 'better' than that or some shit cos she wasn't on the streets scoring smack.
But when there came a time she couldn't get her hands on any morphine, what did she do? She couldn't face the w/d's from morphine and as she smoked crack she knew who and where to score from so she bought some heroin. Told herself it would be a one time thing. But she loved it. Heroin is the ultimate opiate high, so if SWIY is taking anything else (tramadol, oxy-contin, fentanyl, etc), then of course SWIY is gonna like heroin ... too fuckin' much.
And if SWIY thinks he or she is messed up now, believe SWIM when she says that the w/d she got from morphine was nothing compared to what she goes through now as a result of heroin addiction. And SWIM doesn't inject - fortunately she has a boyfriend who doesn't use and because of that and the social circle she moves in she's been protected to a certain extent and not encouraged to start injecting. But alot of people start smoking (or snorting - as SWIM does) heroin and think they'll never inject but eventually they do.
SWIM's advice, from her own experience, is just deal with the w/d whatever way SWIY can - if that means going through it, as horrible as that might be, DO IT. But there are organisations and places that can help SWIY so you don't have to go through it alone - SWIY may be able to do a medicated controlled detox - speak to your doctor or find a drug-clinic where SWIY lives (a drug clinic will usually deal with clients with a degree of anonymity so nothing is on file - if that is a factor). But taking heroin should not be an option for SWIY - it will fuck your live up to new levels, or new depths , that SWIY really doesn't wanna explore. Honestly.

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	Very well written, and honest.
	Now that is harm reduction

[BastardoFatsquardo]

Just curious, but SWIM never heard of any OC's available in Manchester or anywhere in the UK for that matter!!!!!
Has SWIY been of of the Oc's for a few days or is SWIY still on them?>
Heroin would not be the answer to kicking OC;s.

[oxyc]

Hi thanks for the advice, Swim is currently prescribed between 6-700mg of oxy per day for pain relief, swim gets them from a doctor not from the street in differnt forms IR capsules oxycontin tablets and concentrated liquid

[LinusMundane]

From the people SWIM knows who are prescribed subs, if you go to SWIY's PCP and tell them SWIY have an opiate problem and have heard about suboxone and would like to try it and are genuine about it, they will send SWIY to a therapist who is authorized to prescribe them(if your PCP is not) SWIY will have a series of interviews and a determination will be made about how much SWIY are to take a day and for how long, as well as therapy treatment options and how many times a week you will have to talk with them about SWIY problem as well as possible NA requirements.