Amanita muscaria/Fly Agaric effects?

[ramjet]

With psilocybin mushrooms becoming illegal in the UK the shops that
sell mushrooms near me are diversifying by getting in some a.muscaria
(along with other psychedelics that are still legal like peyote/san
pedro, ibogaine (spelling?) ayahuyasca etc.)



My question is therefore, how do the effects differ from those of psilocybe mushrooms:



1. physically in terms of body awareness, body buzz, body load, nausea
etc. In particular are they more prone to inducing nausea?



2. visually



3. mentally eg interms of distortion of time, changes to thought process etc.



4. in terms of the high itself eg do they give you the same feelings of
inner peace, enlightenment, natural bliss, connection to nature



5. socially: are they more or less sociable?



6. duration: is the trip longer or shorter and what are the various "stages" of the trip?


Edited by: ramjet

[PenguinPhreak]

Amanita mushrooms are extremely different from psilocybin containing
mushrooms. They are actually deleriants not the traditional
psychedelic. I can't see them being social due to how realistic
deleriants can be. (I have not taken Amanitas specifically, but I have
experience with other deleriants) The effects can vary a lot from
person to person and can include out of body experiences, visual
distortions, auditory hallucinations, etc. The more neutral effects
include heavy salivation and mild perspiration. One thing to keep in
mind when trying these mushrooms is that they contain Ibotenic Acid and
Muscimol. While both are psychoactive, ibotenic acid is quite toxic.
When the mushrooms are dried at 170 degrees celcius the ibotenic acid
is converted to muscimol.

[Chaote]

I have never heard two stories alike when it comes to amanitas they react differently to every person, I will be getting some tomrow idealy so I will fill you but if peyote and ibogaine are legal i would suggst getting those peyote is mescaline and im not sure about ibogaine but i know it is a psychadelic of grand sorts and it will stop a heroin addiction,

[ramjet]

excellent, I'd love to hear about your experience!

[dream3r]

I’ve never really heard too good of things about that shroom. Its not
really as relaxed as other shrooms are, you should definitely take it
by your self you’re a close friends.





Good luck with that

[Mezza]

SWIM told me that the amanita species can create nice effects for some people, but a lot of people have no response at all or just get sick. SWIM triedAmanita Muscariathree times with the following effects:


1) Medium dose - felt ill with very very mild psychedelic effects


2) Higher dose - felt ill, no psychedelic effects


3) Even higher dose - felt very ill and threw up, no psychedelic effects


He's now given up with them

[jaguarangel]

I picked then dried them myself using Petra's instructions in Erowid. I live in
San Francisco. I am told the fully opened, slightly sun-dried Amanita
muscaria are the best. The problem is in the varied potency of them. I really
enjoyed the experience, having about 8 experiences. I started with 3 gms
and each time going up a gram until all six of us took 12 gms. each. We
ground up the entire collection so that it was uniform in potency. It takes
you to a dream phase, then, some like to dance. Sensually it was good. I did
not want to move as in hike very far. I am very grateful to the Amanita spirit
for showing me her treasures. The 2 side effects that I had only once was
extreme salivation and sweating.Edited by: jaguarangel

[prospero]

Don't take amanitas as a replacement for psilocybian muchrooms - they both may be fungi but that's where the similarity ends. I've tried amanitas several times, by several different methods, and got absolutely nowhere. All I've succeeded in doing is making myself sick, without having any enjoyable trip experience whatsoever!


They do seem to work for some people but they're very erratic indeed and failure is more likely than success.

[Softrat]

Originally Posted by PenguinPhreak

Amanita mushrooms are extremely different from psilocybin containing mushrooms. They are actually deleriants not the traditional psychedelic. I can't see them being social due to how realistic deleriants can be.

Amanitas are not delirients, not even close. Nor are they psychedellics. They are something truely unique. I have done A. muscaria and A. pantherina on a number of occasions and can say that Amanita pantherina is far better cause it has never made me sick. Amanita muscaria can cause significant nausia, particularly the yellow orange variety.


Amanitas are fun on their own merits but when combinded with weed the experience is truely amazing. However you must be careful with dose as the effects can become over powering.


Also both A. pantherina and A. muscaria can be extremely potent. Unless the material is old or the strain weak I often find half a cap to be enough. I have even eaten strains where 1/4 cap was a good dose.Edited by: Softrat

[Ninja Master]

only one thing comes to mind about this question. ive never tryed this drug, but ive read several very old descriptions of it. the one that stands out to me says "they will get drunk worse than on vodka from the mushrooms" i imagine its going to overpower you and give you hard core coutch lock.

[Richard_smoker]

I wonder--does this ibotenic acid have anything in common with the sacred IBOGANE!??? something that we cannot even imagine having access to in the US?

supposedly you trip 2-3 days and overcome your opiate addiction.

sounds awesome, but not if your'e the government/pharmy companies and your living comes from pushing methadone for $10 cash every single morning on the dot. 10 bucks a head, no pay, no play. that's our government.

but ibogane's illegal.

[Alfa]

No, that's a totally different topic.

[Nagognog2]

Alfa is quite correct. There is no chemical similarity between ibotenic acid and ibogaine. Ibogaine is derived from the plant Tabernanthe Iboga, which is indigenous to Western Africa. Iboga is the native name for this - hence it was named iboga and ibogaine respectively. Utterly different molecules. A basic background in organic chemistry would allow you to take a cursory glance at the two molecules side by side to see this.

Oh yeah - screw the damned pharmaceutical companies for all sorts of things. Including Parke-Davis for grabbing up Dolophine (named in honor of Adolf Hitler) from the Nazi's at the end of WWII and re-naming it methadone.

[Richard_smoker]

Sorry alpha... Thanks Nagog... sorry, I have long wondered (and suppressed my own desires for obtaining)... how I could procure some of the essence of ibogaine and I guess it was just my own laziness that I didn't compare the 2 chems side-by-side. Guess I was just wishful thinking... sorry. didn't mean to stray topic awry.

[kurz]

As I posted to another post, I've done amanitas couple of times and also got nowhere but once sick when tried high dose. Maybe there were some kind of little euforia and peaceness but nothing that could be sure of. Still, my little brother tried with two cups of amanita tea and praised the experience to heavens. He had extremely euforic, sedated feeling. He just watched to a floor and listened to a music for an hour. He also liked just to walk around the house.