Gather the RC doses!

[FryDay]

I know you can find all the right doses for RC's on erowid, and can find many of them searchin this forum. But I thought it would be handy to have a list of RC's that people have done with the doses that most suited the person. Trying to exlude the huge heroic doses.

[nanobrain]

for the record, i have found both the Erowid and Shulgin threshold doses for the 2C's to be too high, perhaps due to uncommon sensitivity / metabolic quirks, perhaps to cortical disinhibition due to extensive nootropic use.

[FryDay]

Another good reason to get this topic going. What is a good doseage compared to what they have on those sites? I figured it would be easier than sifting through each seperate drug if they were compiled in one area.

[Nagognog2]

There can be no concise listing of proper starting doses as each individual is just that - an individual. I have witnessed people who wouldn't have any effect from a quantity of (fill in the blank) that would send most people to Mars. And I have seen those who have taken a negligible amount of ??? and land on Pluto. And these reactions can change depending on a plethora of factors including current diet, location of experience, and how the divorce is going. There are simply too many variables at play to compile anything other than a ballpark estimate of what z in the amount of y will elicit. Hence you see the wide range of doses reported in the underground literature.


Hence I suggest that people start as low as possible, especially with a RC. And they be aware of their current level of personal baggage that might either lessen, or increase the effects. Defence mechanisms in people's minds can be tricky to gauge as regards whether they might put a damper on the experience. Or trigger a full-blown ++++ on a fractional of a typical dosage. Good luck on your field taxonomy!

[moldie]

nanobrain, you really find shulgin's doses to be high? I've always considerd shulgin to be overly cautious, but with good reason as he very well knows his written word serves as advice to almost every amateur researcher. I don't like the idea of the topic starter trying to exclude heavy doses of RC's, as we can learn more from other peoples carelessness than we ever could from their prudence.


With that in mind, let me give some advice. Don't do 5-meo-dmt or dpt at high doses, I've seen people have seizures on 5-meo-dmt, and one of the most unbelievable freakouts I ever saw was on a monsterous dose of DPT orally. Iprocin and miprocin seem to bepretty safe at any dose a person would intentionally consume. I've never gone too high with 2c-e, but I'd recommend not going above 30mg as it seemed to me anyway, to be incredibly powerful at that level. I've also seen people totally lose their shit on 2c-e at 20mg, like a complete blackout scenario full of vulgar behavior.

[nanobrain]

nagognog2 i completely agree, individual metabolisms are incredibly complex systems, and recommendations for ranges would be tentative in the best of cases.

moldie, i believe i may have tweaked my CNS to a hypersensitized state w/nootropics and other practices over the last 20 some years, so my reactions are in no way indicative for the public at large, just a datapoint.

however some of the doses mentioned on this and other forums (especially for the 2C's) make me cringe with dread - i know i would not physically survive them.

i am not certain as how to optimise the compilation of useful info in this thread.

in light of posts above, perhaps instead of providing dose ranges, people instead report idiosynchratic reactions noted for specific chemicals at specific doses and any trends they may have noted in themselves / others?Edited by: nanobrain

[Dexy Mcfukfuk]

Erowid can sometimes be misleading, or wrong. It is a great site,
and i am inredibly happy for its existence, howeveri have found that
their doses for dpt are very low. But that could just a typo on their
part.

[raven3davis]

Okay. For 2c-e I have done 18mg and 22mg. I consider 18mg to be a pretty high dose. Lots of my friends have had a blast off of 10mg -12mg. I have also had friends who took 22mg and this was a really high dose. So for 2c-e. I would recommend taking atleast 10mg for a good trip. 14mg would be a medium trip, and 18+mg is a high dose.


For 2c-i I would recommend taking alteast 15mg. I have only taken 20mg of 2c-i and havent really considered taking much more. 20mg was a prefect trip for me. I think 25 mg would be fun, but I could definitely see 30mg being too much.


I think it is all really a matter of preference though. Stick with a low dose for your first trip and definitely dont take a heavy dose your first time. I see no reason why you should take any more than 35mg 2c-i or 25mg 2c-e. I have heard of people taking up to 100mg which seems absolutely crazy to me. 18mg of 2c-e is enoughto boggle my mind for several hours.

[Alfa]

I think it a good idea to dig up Casey Hardingson's 2C-T-7 survey, as it covers dose - effect data of over 80 users.

[daeron]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

for the record, i have found both the Erowid and Shulgin threshold doses for the 2C's to be too high, perhaps due to uncommon sensitivity / metabolic quirks, perhaps to cortical disinhibition due to extensive nootropic use.

i too am a long time nootropic user,but for some reason i seem to have increased tolerance to 2c-x`s like 2ce&2cb but not 2ci,5MeO-AMT but signifcantly lower tolerance to miprocine,iprocine and DOB/DOC.


so whats the conclusion?every should take his/hers individual dose?my suggestion to all the users,especially inexp ones is to start with very very low doses,if you dont feel anything,dont redose wait for the next time,cos in some cases a mg up/down can mean really a lot.


but i think it would be a good idea to make a sort of a tabelary summary of light/medium/high doses so that we can make some mean estimates of doses.