When does amphetamine addiction occur

[mks_1112]

How much dextro-amphetamine or adderall use causes addiction or dependency? Will someone using it habitually at high doses 3-5 times a week feel any dependency? Or is it only when users take it every day for a long period of time that they get dependent on it. Dextro-amps are supposedly able to cause psychological and slight physical dependency with non-medical use so how much use causes it?

[ex-junkie]

when you depend on amphetamines just to get the normal things in life done, then you know you got a problem.

[vantranist]

Honestly swim would say it only takes once with drugs like amphetamine.

Its not like nicotine. There is no need to build the addiction in order to be addicted. Using more, more often may and probably will get you deeper into the hole ur in, but it really only takes once.

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valid point, good info

[VashYsk]

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

when you depend on amphetamines just to get the normal things in life done, then you know you got a problem.

Not true, SWIM depends on amphetamines to get normal things done that would be easy for people but normal things that having bad ADHD makes a living torture. Sure SWIM depends on it but can survive without it. SWIM ran out of Adderall and the doctor wouldn't be able to write him a new script till the day after one of his college finals SWIM having been a Boy Scout planned ahead and had some meth just incase of emergency well just his luck the place where his bag was got full of water along with the bag and SWIM had to take his exam with his feet tapping madly, eyes darting around the room, and trying to fight day dreams out of his mind so he could think about chemistry and SWIM was still able to ace it.

There is nothing wrong with taking something to help you out with things like SWIM just stayed up 3 days to do cleaning he had put off for a year and with the accumulation of dust and other things SWIM had his work cut out for him having to work 2 jobs unless he planned on only doing a little bit every day for months. But when it is an everyday thing and you are trying to get more and the dealer is doing the usual "find the dealer" game as SWIM's do and you say "Please I don't have time for this I NEED it for work" then there is a problem. It doesn't normally wake SWIM up unless he hot rails but SWIM's last bit is being saved for before work today for a hot rail that way SWIM can make it through work and come home and get a good nights sleep before work tomorrow, work without it

There is a difference between needing it for a a project like SWIM's massive cleaning or if SWIM had to study for a final exam, or just something that SWIM wouldn't have time for during normal hours and/or would be made easier by it like a long road trip or building/taking apart something, or even having to work overtime(which mind you are normal things but not normal things that happen everyday). But when you are using it for normal things daily then you have passed the line to an addict

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

of course after time, amphetamine abuse will make you look like shit, because youre staying up all night, and undernourished, but by then youre usually struggling with trying to stop it. then when you do stop it, youre left again with low self esteem, lack of confidence, anti social behaviour, your body gets larger, and therefore "in your eyes", you dont look as good physically as you "think" you do when using amphetamines.

dont get swim wrong here, there are some people who take amphetamines who are larger in body size, but the yoyo of the weight still affects them similarly.

With the self image aspect I couldn't have said it better myself but what people don't understand about using it for weight control you may lose it fast but once your speed is all gone you get a million cravings. You will come up on a fast food place and go there and then on the menu order twice as much food as you normally would and you just can't say no, and once you are done you are either still hungry or you are completely full but 30 minutes later you will pass another place and some how you are still full but you keep wanting more and will give in. People who do them for weight and then when they stop taking them and don't go back usually end up bigger unless they plan it out better to incorperate a solid diet and workout regiment in with it, working being the most important since amphetamines burn muscle first and fat later unless it is being used.

At least with the whole hygene aspect that is all a matter of being responsible and not being stupid. SWIM and SWIM's friend who got him into it(the meth aspect at least SWIM had been using Adderall for a good year before) are both for the most part responsible about it. SWIM's friend is less responsible with his usage but we both maintain almost a perfect hygene. SWIM showers at least once a day, brushes his teeth at least twice, washes his face almost every time he uses a bathroom at his house. And SWIM never stays up for multiple days at a time, before these last few days he had stayed up for 4 days a few weeks ago which was also when he had exams and other essays due for the end of the term, and these are the only 2 times he has done that, and SWIM doesn't see it happening regularly either since he loves sleep.

Its all a matter of taking care of yourself like your parents taught you to, just because you've replaced mom with meth doesn't mean it will remind you to have good hygene. Also be responsible to not do it long enough before you need to go to bed so you can get sleep and plan out being at home and just lay down so when you don't have it the crash isn't as bad. Even if you aren't hungry eat, SWIM used to be big and is one of the people who love it for its hungry diminishing effects but SWIM makes sure to eat to just as much as his body would need for the day.

Its all about being an adult, if you are responsible enough you can do it and live a normal life which will help you keep from becomming addicted, you could probably even do it regularly and with being responsible and having self control be fine.

[humdroid]

For him, Y started using it for fake confidence, the temptation was too much. Addiction ensued.
Amphet beasty slain now though, with the help of hubbard cubbards empty of phets.

[mks_1112]

Thanks for the info, the "fake confidence" is definitely something that would make it hard to stop taking but I didn't realize it could actually cause addiction.

I guess addiction doesn't really have to be the typical heroin dependence type thing that causes massive physical addiction

[ex-junkie]

well there is a physical addiction as such, but its everything opposite of a heroin addiction. they are more or less exact opposites of each other in that sense.

as for the psychological aspects, the biggest crux seems to be self image. amphetamines (at first), result in more confidence, it makes people more outgoing and talkative, it can make a larger person smaller (weight wise), and therefore make them look better "in their opinion".

of course after time, amphetamine abuse will make you look like shit, because youre staying up all night, and undernourished, but by then youre usually struggling with trying to stop it. then when you do stop it, youre left again with low self esteem, lack of confidence, anti social behaviour, your body gets larger, and therefore "in your eyes", you dont look as good physically as you "think" you do when using amphetamines.

dont get swim wrong here, there are some people who take amphetamines who are larger in body size, but the yoyo of the weight still affects them similarly.

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perfect description of the psychological aspects

[Sussy_gal]

SWIM is curious to try some billy to increase brain function and focus. Has met a number of people who have tried it and never seemed to have a problem. SWIM does not have an addictive personality so believes that it's ok to try and experiment without having a major downside. SWIM wants to know if anyone has tried this and has felt positive effects from it.

[mks_1112]

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

as for the psychological aspects, the biggest crux seems to be self image. amphetamines (at first), result in more confidence, it makes people more outgoing and talkative,

My monkey relates with this completely, he got into popping addies for the boost in confidence and lessening of social anxiety, so he knows the potential for addiction there.

and Sussy_gal, my monkey also knows people who used it for focus and all either decided to quit or developed a problem because of tolerance and the "feel good" factor.

[ex-junkie]

^ok swims post was made assuming that people dont have ADHD. swim hopes swiy didnt take any offence to what was written. clearly swiy needs amphetamines to get the normal things done in life, and has a problem only if he doesnt take them.