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Old 18-05-2009, 17:17
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Idiots Guide for using DMT

Swim has been pulling his hair our recently after a large quantitiy of DMT got into circulation in his local area. Half of the people who had it did not have a clue about it and how to use it properly, and most of them ended up wasting it completely. So Swims writen up a breif idiots guide due to all the questions people have been asking him, and the answers he's given. Swim just cant bare to see all this lovely DMT go up in smoke (literally)


I put some DMT in a bong burnt it with a lighter, or I put it in a spliff, and nothing happened.

Because you burnt the DMT. You are not supposed to burn it, touching it with a flame will do this instantly. DMT has to be vaporized. You have to heat it up so it melts and wait for the DMT to evaporate. DMT starts to melt at 60-80C. If the DMT is burnt it will taste a lot harsher than usual and will usually leave a black residu.

You can still get effects this way as some DMT will vaporize along with the DMT which burns, but it's very hard to get an accurate dose if burning it in a spliff or bong.


Why did I only get a strong trip once and after that we smoked lots more and nothing happened?


DMT seems to posses little issues of tollerance, however for strong breakthrough experiences there does seem to be one. Once you have had one strong trip it will take on average a good hour to enable you to trip again, and even then the effects will still likely be greatly diminished. Some people find that tollerance is not much of an issue and thus can trip multiple times in a night, but some people seem only able to manage one or two decent trips a day.


How much DMT should I smoke?


For DMT you should only smoke it if you have scales accurate to 1-10mg. Eyeballing dosages of DMT is not a good idea, there is a hell of difference between a 50mg trip and a 10mg trip. These amounts are very hard to tell by eye unless you are an experienced DMT smoker.

Erowid gives the dosages as follows:

Smoked DMT Dosages 
Threshold2 - 5 mg
Light10 - 20 mg
Common20 - 40 mg
Strong40 - 60 mg


I inhaled the smoke and it tasted horrible so I blew it out and nothing happened.

The fact is that DMT does not taste nice at all to smoke. It's very harsh. The only way to get a decent trip off DMT is to inhale it deep and keep the smoke in for as long as you can. Ten seconds or more should be sufficient, but even longer is better if your lungs can manage it. Multiple hits can be inhaled in a breif amount of time, but bear in mind that the effects only take 10-40 seconds to come on, often making inhaltion of further hits very hard to accomplish. It can be mixed with cannabis or one of many smoking mixtures, to help to improve the smoothness of the smoke. Also some pipes have a section which you can put ice in to cool the vapour down as you inhale it, this also helps with the harsh taste.


I swallowed some DMT and nothing happened.

DMT is not orally active. Its broken down in your stomach by the digestive enzyme monoamine oxidase and wasted. The only way around this is if you combine it with an MAOI to get rid of these enzymes that destroy it.

Other methods of ingestion include:

>Insufflation (snorting): When DMT is insufflated, the duration is markedly increased, and some users report diminished euphoria but an intensified otherworldly experience. It can be very painful to snort however, so most people avoid this route, as being in intense pain when tripping is not always a good idea.

>Injection: Injected DMT produces an experience that is similar to inhalation in duration, intensity, and characteristics.

>Inhalation: If DMT is smoked, the effects last for a short period of time, usually 5 to 30 minutes (dependant on dose). The onset after inhalation is very fast (less than 45 seconds) and peak effects are reached within a minute.

>Rectal administration (plugging): Comparable to insufflation, but most people report a slightly longer duration.


Why is the DMT a slightly yellow color, does this mean its contaminated?

This means that some trace amounts of the plant fats and material it was extracted from are still in the DMT. It is not a problem unless its a very dark yellow or another dark color (depending on what it was extracted from). 100% pure DMT should be pure white and leave no residue at all when smoked. Pure white DMT is far less common than slightly yellowed DMT, as the extraction to get really pure DMT takes a lot more effort and more time. There is no real difference in effects or taste between the two, though some dispute this.


Can I use a plastic bottle to melt the DMT in?

No. Plastic burns too. Dir.


What household objects can I use to melt the DMT in?

Incase you dont have a glass pipe or vaporizer then a large clear glassed lightbulb can be used, but bare in mind that glass lightbulbs are very thin and its still easy to burn the DMT if the flame directly contacts the glass. The flame should be kept well below the bulb untill the bulb slowly reaches the correct evaportation temparature. Ensure that all the DMT has evaporated and try not to overheat it, which can take a good minute.

One way to prepare the bulb is by removing the metal socket by putting it in a vice and applying pressure at various angles until it breaks off the glass, or simply unscrewing it (some bulbs have to be forced open and do not unscrew from their metal sockets). After this a rush hole can be made in the glass near the socket area by placing tape over this section (to avoid it cracking) and carefully chipping a small hole in the glass with a sharp pointed object for the air to rush in when the smoke is inhaled.

OR (thanks Euthanatos93420) an probably easier method for doing this would be:

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I dont understand why people dont take advantage of the lightbulb's design to form this hole BEFORE breaking the ceramic base. The lightbulb is under pressure. Put is over a gas stone or a torch light and heat a small spot on the bulb consistantly. It will soon swell and pop a hole. A torch lighter will make a smaller hole and probably have to be ground out with a screwdriver (Small phillips point works best) or similar tool.


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very clear post and very helpfull to the dmt virgins
Thank you for providing this focused, accessible introduction to DMT and its use.
Nice compilation of info that was around and some new tips about smoking. Well written and helpful.
Very good post, every DMT user should read
damn, wish swim knew about this before! Awsome guide
Thanks a lot, swim didn't know how to smoke it before reading this.

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Old 18-05-2009, 21:08
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

SWIM noticed that it says the smoke is very harsh. Now he has asthma and when he smokes on a bong and its harsh, he gets a tight chest. If he uses his light bulb style vaporizer to, well vaporize it, would it leave him with a tight chest and rushing to use his pump before it kicks in?
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Old 18-05-2009, 23:25
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

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SWIM noticed that it says the smoke is very harsh. Now he has asthma and when he smokes on a bong and its harsh, he gets a tight chest. If he uses his light bulb style vaporizer to, well vaporize it, would it leave him with a tight chest and rushing to use his pump before it kicks in?
Its hard to say. I would say to avoid it, or if swiy is going to try it they should start small and increase the dosage by a small amount daily to see what they can handle. DMT tastes like burnt rubber or plastic, not nice.

In swims personal experience the only people that can get a true deep DMT experience (30-60mg) are the ones that have smoked bongs, fags or shotties for years and have hardened lungs due to smoking weed or tobacco. Best to start small and see what swiy can handle, or build up swiys lungs tollerance to general smoke by getting used to large bongs with tobacco in. Swim used to smoke shotties daily (like bongs but with tobacco in the pipe instead of a gauze), which gave him leather lungs, so he's kind of lucky in this respect. A 50mg hit is not unbearable for swim in the slightest, but most of his friends can only manage about 20-30mg.
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Old 19-05-2009, 02:27
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT



Why did I only get a very mild trip once and after that we smoked like an enitre gram and nothing happened?


You get an instant high tollerance to DMT that lasts many hours. Once you have had one trip it will take hours to enable you to trip again, and even then the effects will still likely be greatly diminished. Even if the first trip was not strong, be patient. Wait till the next day to get the full effects back. Ideally a 24 hours should be left between trips to avoid any tollerance issues.

Swim has the opposite experience. He can smoke slowly over the period of an hour rather gradually leading up to a break through as he smokes more.



Why is the DMT a slightly yellow color, does this mean its contaminated?

This means that some trace amounts of the plant fats and material it was extracted from are still in the DMT. It is not a problem unless its a very dark yellow or another dark color (depending on what it was extracted from). 100% pure DMT should be pure white and leave no residue at all when smoked. Pure white DMT is far less common than slightly yellowed DMT, as the extraction to get really pure DMT takes a lot more effort and more time. There is no real difference in effects or taste between the two, though some dispute this.

Swim says that the plant fats are more reddish (making it orange), and the yellow is DMT N-Oxide. All though he has no way of citing his source.
And an easy way to pure white crystals is to dissolve a gram of DMT in a shot glass of warm naptha and then put it in your freezer until it's clear. Take an eye dropper and suck up the orange - yellow goo at the bottom. then strain out the naptha. You should now have very pure DMT crystals, that are not only beautiful, but very very smooth when vaporized correctly. It also makes it smell of flowers, and less of burnt plastic. It's rather nice actually.


What household objects can I use to melt the DMT in?

Incase you dont have a glass pipe or vaporizer then a large clear glassed lightbulb can be used, but bare in mind that glass lightbulbs are very thin and its still easy to burn the DMT if the flame directly contacts the glass. The flame should be kept well below the bulb untill the bulb slowly reaches the correct evaportation temparature. Ensure that all the DMT has evaporated and try not to overheat it, which can take a good minute.

In preparing the bulb the best way is to remove the metal socket by putting it in a vice and applying pressure at various angles until it breaks off the glass, or simply unscrewing it (some bulbs have to be forced open and do not unscrew from their metal sockets). After this a rush hole can be made in the glass near the socket area by placing tape over this section (to avoid it cracking) and carefully chipping a small hole in the glass with a sharp pointed object for the air to rush in when the smoke is inhaled.

You should also mention the herb sandwhich method. Get a small amount of herb in a pipe, put desired amount of DMT on top, then small layer of herb. first hit is herb, second hit is dmt, third hit is DMT herb and so on. Swim's personal favorite way, because he has never had good success with freebasing it.

other than that, great post. Lots of stuff swim wishes he knew when he first started his journy to hyperspace.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

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Its hard to say. I would say to avoid it, or if swiy is going to try it they should start small and increase the dosage by a small amount daily to see what they can handle. DMT tastes like burnt rubber or plastic, not nice.

In swims personal experience the only people that can get a true deep DMT experience (30-60mg) are the ones that have smoked bongs, fags or shotties for years and have hardened lungs due to smoking weed or tobacco. Best to start small and see what swiy can handle, or build up swiys lungs tollerance to general smoke by getting used to large bongs with tobacco in. Swim used to smoke shotties daily (like bongs but with tobacco in the pipe instead of a gauze), which gave him leather lungs, so he's kind of lucky in this respect. A 50mg hit is not unbearable for swim in the slightest, but most of his friends can only manage about 20-30mg.
SWIM is a hardened daily bong smoking (yes with asthma) so he may be ok but he thinks he will try it with smaller amounts first. He doesn't want a break though dose when trying it for the first time.
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Old 28-05-2009, 08:09
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[ After this a rush hole can be made in the glass near the socket area by placing tape over this section (to avoid it cracking) and carefully chipping a small hole in the glass with a sharp pointed object for the air to rush in when the smoke is inhaled.
I dont understand why people dont take advantage of the lightbulb's design to form this hole BEFORE breaking the ceramic base. The lightbulb is under pressure. Put is over a gas stone or a torch light and heat a small spot on the bulb consistantly. It will soon swell and pop a hole. A torch lighter will make a smaller hole and probably have to be ground out with a screwdriver (Small phillips point works best) or similar tool.

Very clean and efficient method.

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Old 28-05-2009, 17:39
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

SWIM has finally tried it. He used 25mg and 30mg about an hour and a half after each other, each one failing. He noticed that it didn't vaporize properly as when the vap cooled there was a lot stuck inside, obviously meaning that he consumed very little.

The relevance - The vapor was very harsh and even though very little was consumed his asthma has been playing up since (had a tight chest from about 3 hours ago).

Just a warning to any swimmers who have asthma and want to try it - be prepared.

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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Swim was introduced to 'the machine' from an online reference. Essentially it's henessy single shot bottle. Take a nail, a vice hand grip, and a himmer. Swim stuck the neck into a spindle of wire. Like making a hole for a Sobe waterfall bong, one hammers a hole in the dip at the bottom of the glass. Steel wool is rolled up to fit in the neck and cleaned with the vice grips and a torch lighter or gas stove. ANy impurites are burnt away. The wool is shoved into the tip of the neck and the DMT is placed in from the rear. The DMT can be melted to the steel wool without smoking it to avoid losing DMT as well as the lid replaced. If too much is put in it tend to not be a problem because the shape of the bottle stores it in the chamber if the wool can't hold it all.

A torch lighter is essential because of the thickness of the glass. The neck of the bottle is heated not the tip.
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Old 28-05-2009, 23:28
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Unlucky. I would say that (if you dont get weirded out by it) rectal administration is the next best method. Swim plugged 35mg the other day and got good effects, main effects lasted about 1 hour and had nice after effects for another hour.

If swiy is going to snort it they should numb their nose with something beforehand for sure, because it really does sting, and for a long time too. A local anesthetic to numb the nose is a very good idea if doing this route.
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Unlucky. I would say that (if you dont get weirded out by it) rectal administration is the next best method. Swim plugged 35mg the other day and got good effects, main effects lasted about 1 hour and had nice after effects for another hour.

If swiy is going to snort it they should numb their nose with something beforehand for sure, because it really does sting, and for a long time too. A local anesthetic to numb the nose is a very good idea if doing this route.
SWIM is very interested in this procedure. He had read about putting the dmt in a butter solution and squirting it up there but he isnt too keen on that and would much rather just put it into a capsule and insert it that way.

Was the dmt the salt or freebase? Would it work if he put the salt straight into a capsule and plugging it?

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Was the dmt the salt or freebase? Would it work if he put the salt straight into a capsule and plugging it?
It was salt. It wont sting at all (unless you dont put it far enough up, the only nerves are in your actual sphincter, not on the inside) and the capsule will work, but it will take longer to come on than dissolving it in solution and using a pipette because the capsule has to dissolve first without the usual aid it has from the acid in your stomach when you swallow it. Can take anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour or so to come on, depending on how long it takes the capsule to dissolve.

35mg is quite conservative too, but its always best to start small. Swims friend got quite a strong trip from just 25mg, but this was his first time. Swims seen people push 80mg, but these sort of amounts should be worked up to gradually until you know you are okay with lesser amounts.

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I dont understand why people dont take advantage of the lightbulb's design to form this hole BEFORE breaking the ceramic base. The lightbulb is under pressure. Put is over a gas stone or a torch light and heat a small spot on the bulb consistantly. It will soon swell and pop a hole. A torch lighter will make a smaller hole and probably have to be ground out with a screwdriver (Small phillips point works best) or similar tool.

Cheers for that, I added it to the OP.

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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Someone who isn't me recently has been trying snorting DMT a few times, and can safely say that snorting the freebase is very, very, very painful. Doesn't feel too bad at first, but its the sort of sting that gets worse and worse as time goes on. DMT is strongly alkaline for an alkaloid. Definately best to snort the salt.
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I dont understand why people dont take advantage of the lightbulb's design to form this hole BEFORE breaking the ceramic base. The lightbulb is under pressure. Put is over a gas stone or a torch light and heat a small spot on the bulb consistantly. It will soon swell and pop a hole. A torch lighter will make a smaller hole and probably have to be ground out with a screwdriver (Small phillips point works best) or similar tool.

Very clean and efficient method.
There is another even easier way of making a rush hole without having to go through the glass at all. All SWIY would have to do is carefully cut the end of the metal part of the light bulb off. Break out all the insides like normal then find a bottle cap that, once some electrical tape has been wrapped round the now open metal part, will tightly fit on the light bulb end. Drill 2 holes in it and stick a tube (something like a biro tube or a straw) slightly into one hole which can be inhaled through. The other hole can now act as the rush hole.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Ive seen that done but then it's hard to scrape.
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Why did I only get a very mild trip once and after that we smoked like an enitre gram and nothing happened?

You get an instant high tollerance to DMT that lasts many hours. Once you have had one trip it will take hours to enable you to trip again, and even then the effects will still likely be greatly diminished. Even if the first trip was not strong, be patient. Wait till the next day to get the full effects back. Ideally a 24 hours should be left between trips to avoid any tollerance issues.
This does not match swims experience with DMT. Often swim will smoke, trip for 10 minutes, wait 20 minutes, then smoke again. Some of his strongest trips have been on the back of previous weaker trips.

I do not believe that the tolerance is actually as great as described here. Most likely if someone is not getting high despite smoking a lot it would probably be because of poor smoking technique. Smoking technique is highly critical, in swim's opinion a lightbulb does not cut it. A freebase pipe where the material sits on somewhere where flame can be applied underneath and the smoke comes down into a large chamber, and that the tube the smoke goes through is not too long (or else dmt will cool and condense on the sides) is the best.

Put the light under the glass, and just let it light slowly. Everyone tries to inhale too fast. In swim's opinion a good DMT rip will take 40 seconds to a minute of just heating it up. Don't inhale right away when the smoke fills the chamber, wait until there's enough smoke that the chamber is now opaque instead of translucent. While still keeping the bowl lit from the bottom, suck as hard as you can. This technique will gurantee that you pull at least a lung full of DMT, probably a couple. Swim has hot boxed bathrooms with DMT smoke from this technique.

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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Actually, Rick Strassman, M.D. who wrote DMT: The Spirit Molecule did tests on the tolerance of DMT, and I'm pretty sure they concluded that there is almost null tolerance to DMT.

I believe he said something like, our brains are always on the constant search for DMT, that's why we react so fast to it, etc.

Since I read this book a while back, I could be mismatching things he said. But, I think that was the main jift of it.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

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Smoking technique is highly critical, in swim's opinion a lightbulb does not cut it. A freebase pipe where the material sits on somewhere where flame can be applied underneath and the smoke comes down into a large chamber, and that the tube the smoke goes through is not too long (or else dmt will cool and condense on the sides) is the best.
Err...that's rather precisely the defenition of a lightbulb freebase pipe...

Why is don't you think a lightbulb is good? Too thin glass? Swim's difficulty with the machine was always that the glass was too thick.
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This does not match swims experience with DMT. Often swim will smoke, trip for 10 minutes, wait 20 minutes, then smoke again. Some of his strongest trips have been on the back of previous weaker trips.
Yeah swim has noticed this too recently. Previously he found only one or two trips a day possible for him due to tollerance, but his friend was able to have about ten full blown experiences and seemed impervious to tollerance. So I think it varies from person to person. (OP changed again as info has been added, thanks.)
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Actually, Rick Strassman, M.D. who wrote DMT: The Spirit Molecule did tests on the tolerance of DMT, and I'm pretty sure they concluded that there is almost null tolerance to DMT.
I think you are right. Oddly this clashes with swims personal experience, but obviously not most other peoples. Maybe there is a genetic factor here?

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6274
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Tolerance to the behavioral effects of the short-acting, endogenous hallucinogen, N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is seen inconsistently in animals, and has not been produced in humans. The nature and time course of responses to repetitive, closely-spaced administrations of an hallucinogenic dose of DMT were characterized. Thirteen experienced hallucinogen users received intravenous 0.3 mg/kg DMT fumarate, or saline placebo, four times, at 30 minute intervals, on two separate days, in a randomized, double-blind, design. Tolerance to "psychedelic" subjective effects did not occur according to either clinical interview or Hallucinogen Rating Scale scores. ACTH, prolactin, cortisol and heart rate responses decreased with repeated DMT administration, while blood pressure did not. These data demonstrate the unique properties of DMT relative to other hallucinogens, underscore differential regulation of the multiple processes mediating the effects of DMT.
But this study is contradicted by this paper:

http://deoxy.org/smokedmt.htm
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Generally there are no after-effects, although mild headache is occasionally reported. Although it has been suggested that the experience may be repeated at four-hour intervals without noticeable tolerance (Brown 1968), smoking no more than once daily will result in optimum results.
And swim can definately say that he is not able to get more than one decent trip every half a day or so, usually a maximum of 2 trips per day.

What are other peoples experiences?
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

swim's friends all use some foil, a plastic cup and a straw. They cover the mouth of the cup in foil, cut a hole in the top for a straw, and place the dmt down the straw onto the foil (at this point the cup is upside down). Then light under the dmt and foil, and whala! Enjoy your hit.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

An idiots guide to DMT is a bit exaggerated, or at least SWIM hopes the OP is not encouraging idiots to do such a powerful drug. You have to respect it, that's for sure.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

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An idiots guide to DMT is a bit exaggerated, or at least SWIM hopes the OP is not encouraging idiots to do such a powerful drug. You have to respect it, that's for sure.
Well, SWIM has used many hallucinogenic drugs and has researched DMT extensively and would love to do it, however doesn't really have a clue on how to take it, SWIM only knows dosages in that respect. Making this thread very useful.

By idiots guide, the OP probably means very simple, straightforward advice that anyone can understand. Not idiots who "just wanna get HIGH!" DMT is probably the worst drug you would wanna get "high" off of. Plus, those who want to take DMT really have to look for it.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Hi, I know this is fairly off topic but SWIM would love if someone could explain the difference between freebase and salt. SWIM hit up wikipedia on this one but he knows next to nothing about chemistry, so an "idiot's" explanation would be great! Main thing SWIM wants to know is if you can tell by looking at it or if it is more a pH thing.
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Hi, I know this is fairly off topic but SWIM would love if someone could explain the difference between freebase and salt. SWIM hit up wikipedia on this one but he knows next to nothing about chemistry, so an "idiot's" explanation would be great! Main thing SWIM wants to know is if you can tell by looking at it or if it is more a pH thing.
This should really be in chemistry, but I still see the relevance here.

A freebase is a non-ionized form of a drug. Alkaloids are basic by nature. When exposed to an acid environment, they tend ionize and form a salt. Salts are water soluble, while a freebase is soluble in non-polar solvents.

One typically prefers to smoke freebase as opposed to salt forms. But salt forms tend to be better for oral administration, though this is just generalization. About the only differences as far as effects between the two forms would be rate of absorption.
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Re: Idiots Guide for using DMT

Ok then, seems I need to know a bit about chemistry to fully understand this.

Cheers Jasim.

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