Setting - Riding (shotgun) on E

[tassadar]

SWIM finds this to be a pleasurable experience. At a party once he had his sober friend (also his supplier, former user) take him for a drive around town, while listening to music and visiting his old neighborhoods.

IF SWIY is usually in a crowd, try breaking away from the crowd and doing this during a party. It probably helps a lot if you have a sober friend that has used it before.

SWIM am also looking for similar suggestions, so post your ideas / experiences here.

[Abuse]

Swim should try driving at the peak of his roll, especially at night...that shit is a Blast!

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	Try not to encourage unsafe use of substances
	driving high is stupid and dangerous and not to be condonded, hope you end up in jail.
	dangerous advice

[chinpokomaster]

SWIM likes it. He loves leaning his arm out of the window and getting the air into his t-shirt.

[DietBlonde]

Driving is an incredibly fucking stupid idea when one is rolling. The idiot parading this idea shouldn't be aloud to drive, or even be on these boards. People like him/her ruin recreational drugs for the rest of us, and further worsen the plight of decriminalization and legalization.

SWIM would argue that driving while rolling would be more dangerous than being drunk. And what happens when people get behind the wheel while intoxicated? Sometimes they run over pedestrians or hit other drivers, sometimes killing or wounding people. SWIM has lost loved ones this way.

[wespawloski]

Driving... is so fucking fun. Oh man, cruising the freeway at three am :P pleasant memories.

When SWIM is really rolling, he will always drive over being ferried.

[Abuse]

Originally Posted by Party Monster

Driving is an incredibly fucking stupid idea when one is rolling. The idiot parading this idea shouldn't be aloud to drive, or even be on these boards. People like him/her ruin recreational drugs for the rest of us, and further worsen the plight of decriminalization and legalization.

SWIM would argue that driving while rolling would be more dangerous than being drunk. And what happens when people get behind the wheel while intoxicated? Sometimes they run over pedestrians or hit other drivers, sometimes killing or wounding people. SWIM has lost loved ones this way.

bro swim could really care less about swiy's opinion...sorry. swim was just saying that driving is fun as fuck when it's very late, like 2 or 3 AM. swim lives in a small town and thus there is about one other car on the freeway when swim comes home from a nigh partying. please don't judge swim. swim's dad crashed into a tree going about 100MPH and killed himself while high on Meth. ever since then Swim makes sure he everything he does in his life with the highest measure of responsibility he possibly can. swim don't joke around with shit like that

[thv20]

Originally Posted by Abuse

swim's dad crashed into a tree going about 100MPH and killed himself while high on Meth.

This is quite possibly the worst justification for irresponsible behaviour that swim has ever heard. Very sorry to hear about swiyour father though, that's terrible.

To get back on topic, riding shotgun is GREAT, especially in summer. Popping out the sunroof is just insane Depends a lot on the surroundings of course.

[sandoz1943]

Driving on E is irresponsible and dangerous. If you are trying to impress anyone you have failed misrably. Its hard to look cool in a body cast and no one looks good when they are having thier mug shot taken. Imaginon all the trim your going to get when you offer to give her a ride to the club on the handel bars of your bike. Epic FAIL.

[DietBlonde]

Well, go ahead SWIAbuse. Learn on your own, teenager. Kids your age always gotta learn the hard way. Didn't learn by SWIY's father's mistake...then there's no hope for you. It's called darwinism. Natural selection. Please don't breed.

SWIM thinks the risk isn't worth lives or jail. But Abuse is a rebel! A risk-taker. Nothing's gonna slow him down. Let's hope he/she doesn't take another's life in the process.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Party Monster

Well, go ahead SWIAbuse. Learn on your own, teenager. Kids your age always gotta learn the hard way. Didn't learn by SWIY's father's mistake...then there's no hope for you. It's called darwinism. Natural selection. Please don't breed.

SWIM thinks the risk isn't worth lives or jail. But Abuse is a rebel! A risk-taker. Nothing's gonna slow him down. Let's hope he/she doesn't take another's life in the process.

What the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't have anything to contribute to the goddamn OPs statement/question DON'T POST. We don't need your bullshit on this site (and what the fuck does Natural Selection have to do with this). You accuse 'Abuse' for being immature, but you're the one bashing him... speaking of which, do you think ANYONE under 20 is going to listen to someone as old as you.. that's why we have parents dude. And we don't listen to them.

Now you're honestly going to tell me you've never driven intoxicated (under the influence of alcohol) before... even 2-3 drinks?? Ethanol outside of dissociatives, deliriants, and hallucinogens is the MOST mind-altering substance known to man. MDMA and related analogs are most certainly mind-altering.. meaning it is more risky to operate any form of heavy machinery while under its influence.
However, depending on dosage, driving while rolling could be considerably safer than after 3 or 4 drinks.. which hundreds of thousands to millions of Americans do every night.

Get your facts straight before you lecture someone. And if you have a problem with driving while intoxicated take it to the alcohol forum.. because I've yet to hear of ANY accidents caused by a driver who was on ecstasy.

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Offensive and misleading.

[Mdubzui]

Swiys shouldn't drive under the influence of ANY substance, many people have driven under the influence of alcohol and although it may be a large number each time they drive they are putting theirs and people's lives at risk.

There is no way to justify or make drink or driving under the influence of mdma, ketamine, lsd etc. It's stupid, idiotic and gives drugs a bad press.

[DietBlonde]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

What the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't have anything to contribute to the goddamn OPs statement/question DON'T POST. We don't need your bullshit on this site (and what the fuck does Natural Selection have to do with this). You accuse 'Abuse' for being immature, but you're the one bashing him... speaking of which, do you think ANYONE under 20 is going to listen to someone as old as you.. that's why we have parents dude. And we don't listen to them.

Now you're honestly going to tell me you've never driven intoxicated (under the influence of alcohol) before... even 2-3 drinks?? Ethanol outside of dissociatives, deliriants, and hallucinogens is the MOST mind-altering substance known to man. MDMA and related analogs are most certainly mind-altering.. meaning it is more risky to operate any form of heavy machinery while under its influence.
However, depending on dosage, driving while rolling could be considerably safer than after 3 or 4 drinks.. which hundreds of thousands to millions of Americans do every night.

Get your facts straight before you lecture someone. And if you have a problem with driving while intoxicated take it to the alcohol forum.. because I've yet to hear of ANY accidents caused by a driver who was on ecstasy.

First, read SWIM's post above yours.

SWIM didn't realize some of you were so sensitive. So you don't listen to your parents. Good for you. You might end up dead, you might not. I don't care about your plight, just the poor bastards you might kill or maim on your way.

Also, bashing people doesn't signal immaturity. A big part of maturity is learning from not only your own, but other's mistakes. Like having a mother die from drinking and driving, and then choosing not to drive intoxicated ever again.

Driving while rolling is NOT safer than 3-4 drinks. Goddamn. Try googling any variation of people getting into car wrecks while on molly. It happens, just not as much as alcohol because of a whole variety of reasons, most notably...more people consume alcohol on a daily basis than molly.

Driving while intoxicated involves not only alcohol, but other intoxicants. So I don't need to stroll on over to the alcohol threads to sound off.

We AREN't discussing facts, you troll. This is all opinion. Where are your FACTS? Do you have any studies to site? Yes, "hundreds of thousands to millions" is a very scientific analysis. And how many people die everyday to dumbasses driving drunk? Oh, I guess that's easy to sweep under the rug.

Fine, don't listen to the majority of advice on this thread. SWIM isn't going to talk you out of doing something you're already hellbent on doing. But there really isn't anyway to justify your idiotic behavior.

[Natedogg8922]

SWIM has driven a short distance before but will never do it again while rolling, it was just way to hard. SWIM now will drive anyone around who is rolling and has done so before for his buddies. They all seemed to enjoy it quite a bit. SWIM has also been driven around while rolling and also finds that it is a awesome experience aside from the normal party/rave setting.

[chinpokomaster]

Driving whilst on E is stupid, but getting into the passenger seat whilst the driver is high on E, moreso. I hope there's no one out there smart enough not to do it but dumb enough to be in the car when their friend does.

[terrapinzflyer]

Elders are here for a reason- to learn from their mistakes rather then ones own. While SWIM would be a hypocrite to say hes never driven under the influence, swim would also admit he was stupid to do so.
The expression "Shit happens" exists for a reason. Swim has had blowouts, animals jump in front of his car, encountered drunk drivers, experienced a stuck cruise control, and all sorts of other conditions hard enough to handle sober.
Its not only SWIY's life your playing with. Don't be an idiot- regret is a horrible thing to live the rest of your life with. (and despite what so many of swims felt in their youth, swim is NOT invincible, and swim is not half as smart as swim thinks he is)
take from those of swims who have been around long enough to learn from swims mistakes...

[chinpokomaster]

And authoritarian governments use this sort of thing as justifaction for their oppressive drug policies. Don't give them an excuse.

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good solid point here!

[dspacemonkey]

Sure there are oppressive drug policies around the world but the reality is driving whist on E is pretty fuckin dangerous. SWIM has known people who drove this way effected and they just couldnt concentrate, got too carried away with music, stroking their facial hair and babbling on about this and that. This resulted in minor driving errors that involved no headlights, ending upside down in a ditch and going through a red traffic light in the central city just to name a few. Those days are thankfully gone and SWIM would describe these drivers as mostly family orientated responsible types and not hoons. There just seems to be a small missing link that driving whist on E is deceptively dangerous activity and SWIM believes more so that alcohol.

It is interesting to note that most of the posters advising this type of behavior is acceptable is within the 18-22 age range and probably just are still in that indestructable phase in their young adult life which truthfully most of us go through, a lot of the time this is characterised by risky driving eg speeding, burnouts, drink driving but then as they get older they realise in fact they are mortal and the human body was never designed to be in a car accident.

[chinpokomaster]

I agree that its dangerous, that was my point... but the authorities cite this sort of behaviour as a reason why the drug itself is dangerous, which isn't a correct conclusion, the conclusion would be that it's being used by an idiot in a dangerous way.

[DietBlonde]

Perhaps SWIM was a little harsh to others in this thread, but SWIM finds it very important to discourage others from such destructive behavior. SWIM was just thinking back to how terrible of a driver he was back in high school and college. That fucker couldn't keep it on the road. He'd always drive far above the speed limit and disobey traffic laws and sometimes drive impaired. SWIM would like to get in a time machine and go back to slap some sense into that asshole.

SWIM would be willing to guess that everyone knows some family that has been affected from an intoxicated driving accident. SWIM can think of well over a dozen people killed in car wrecks that he knew. And he's even known a couple people who've killed others behind the wheel while intoxicated. Almost always booze. But SWIM thinks driving drunk would be much easier than driving while rolling. Those younger people that think it won't happen to them...wise up, or you'll be posting threads on this website from behind a government cage.

[Jatelka]

This thread is completely and utterly wrong: On many levels.

It is simply not acceptable to drive under the influence, and advocating doing so is dangerous, irresponsible, and utterly reckless, showing a complete disregard for yourself and others

This forum is about Harm Reduction, and dangerous advice is NOT acceptable: Neither is flaming/abusing those who offer Harm Reduction advice

Enough of this. There have been enough infractions already