Drug info - The possible suspects... If not LSD: What?

[doubledama]

Recently SUM1 purchased a vial of "acid". Said Vial was described as having a very amberish color liquid in it. Sum1 decided one day he/she would drop a hit to test potency before giving it out to his friends. SUM1 took one liquid drop from a freshbreath bottle-- very minty... about 1.5-2 hours later SUM1 began to feel as if a trip was coming on, nothing very pronounced but definitely something more than was to be expected after SUM1 ripped the bong a few times. SUM1 never really felt any intense LSD effects as had been experienced in the past, although somewhat complex visuals would seem to appear if SUM1 stared off into space for a while. These visuals did not remind SUM1 of LSD trip, but this concept seems like one hard to convey from SUM1's perspective.

A week later, SUM1 decided to up the ante and took 2 drops with a friend. SUM1 and a friend sat around for a good 1-1.5 hrs before any onset. After a good 2.5 hours SUM1 was pleased he was tripping, but something still felt amiss. This did not feel like the drug SUM1 was looking for... Altho some decent visuals and body trip were experienced by him, he found that these effects subsided after the 5 hour mark or so, and in addition SUM1 literally fell asleep like a baby about 10 hours after ingestion of said mystery substance. SUM1 also recounts having a strange feeling/minor headache between the 6 and 10 hour marks.

SUM1 is very confused today about what happened and wnats to get to the root of it. Sum1 asks for the input of others in identifying the likely candidates? He wonders if he was sold a DOx family chemical? SUM1 also finds himself to be a PHd Materials Science Candidate, so Monday morning SUM1 expects GC/MS to get to the bottom of this.

If SUM1 finds an RC in place of what he believed to be LSD should he feel justified in bitching out the STS9 groupie who pawned off this amber suprise on him?

[Potter]

Falling asleep could be the result of being tired beforehand. LSD doesn't prevent headaches, that too could be the result of outside influences DOx series tend towards tripps longer then 10 hours (LSD running between 8-12)

As for the color, LSD is supposed to be clear, don't know on the others, though bromine is brown, so if it's one of the halogenated ones like Bromo-Dragonfly, those might be brown, though the Doktor has never seen any of those in liquid form and couldn't tell you.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by Potter

LSD doesn't prevent headaches, that too could be the result of outside influences DOx series tend towards tripps longer then 10 hours (LSD running between 8-12)

LSD has been known to help with migraine headaches. Ergotamine tartrate is often prescribed for migraines, and is a primary precursor in LSD production.

[Wierd Logic]

Swim has simply had not very good acid which he found was easy to get to sleep on, and the visual aspects weren't very strong at all, but it still messed with his head... I don't know how LSD and the various similar chemicals that are in it when it isn't completely pure, but Swim reckons acid can definitely vary in quality.

[doubledama]

Before SUM1 got back to cooking catalysts for fuel cells this morning he decided to test a sample via liquid chromatography and found the psychoactive ingredient to infact be LSD, however there are rather large quantities of impurities ... bummer

[Songcycle67]

Every time one of these questions shows up I always think of the study that showed that people who had taken "street" LSD a number of times couldn't tell the difference between their experiences on it and 100% chemically pure substances given to them in the test setting. I believe the main substances used were Psilocybin, Psilocin, Mescaline, and possibly DMT. Many of them had taken all these substances before as well. I wish I could link it, but I don't have an online source.

Anyway, point is, the brain is a pretty untrustworthy test setting for psychedelics. Definitely not even a quarter as reliable as a test kit or something equivalent. Reality is extremely, notoriously, distorted and even "tell-tale signs" such as length of onset and duration can become confused and extrapolated, especially where it concerns a novice or in the presence of doubt (i.e. an individual that doesn't know what they just put in their mouth). The very nature of the substance is to produce a state of mind that, while beautiful and revealing to some, cannot truly be trusted to reason.


With all that in mind, there is a kind of LSD produced known as "amber" and it is often dyed the very color of its namesake. Potency and purity is reportedly low. Often it is referred to as "morning glory acid" and is rumored to be concocted somehow using the active ingredient in the morning glory flower's seeds (LSA). All rumors to that effect have never been verified to my knowledge, but it is generally, if not always, given the description of containing some version of LSA. Occasionally SWIM will hear a tale or two about these amber batches being laced with PCP or speed or strychnine or any other insert name here that has been passed down through the last few decades as being an "LSD adulterant." Most of these tales, as is the nature of most "LSD adulterant stories," are only as full of shit as the people telling them. So generally there's nothing to worry about on that end, SWIM'd think.

Effects are reportedly speedy, fuzzy, chaotic, manic--the hallmarks of "bad acid." Whether this is due to suggestion from the stories surrounding the strangely colored liquid or something more is not known, but SWIM has never heard a particularly positive review of the stuff.

Again, the above is only based on SWIM's encounters with "amber" and the encounters of others that he has either read or heard first-hand, but SWIM will note that it is notoriously known to be bad acid (whatever that even means) and it is generally avoided by most people...certainly by those who would be looking for an experience with integrity akin to Sandoz or similar. SWIM thinks if the person who sold it to SWIY knew it was shitty, and he says most dealers who are around acid a lot know that amber is bad, and if it was priced high then he would definitely confront the person who sold it or at least never buy from them again.

But please tell SWIY to re-read the first part of my post before doing anything hasty.

Hope that helps.