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Yes, smoking or snorting are Swiy's best bets. If Swiy has snortable gear then this might be more effective than smoking. The bioavailability is meant to be higher (~60% vs ~50%). Opinions on this vary from person to person though.
Really depends on what type of gear SWIY has available. SWIM has muscled Mexican Tar as took to long to find veins for a good few months practically solely, and felt the effects pretty quickly, and as long as you rotate the sites regularly and can deal with your shoulders or buttocks being a bit sore sometimes then its fine.
SWIM did get a very very bad abcess in SWIMs shoulder from muscling it, but that was from hitting the same spot like 100 times in a short period of time, and also SWIM believes it had something to do with maybe dropping the syringe on the floor and reusing syringes.
East Coast white H4 should be fine to Muscle, if that is what is available, H3 Powder Brown is doable but stings quite a bit with the citric you have to use.
People do it all the time, but remember the effects dont kick in immediately like IVing so dont do tons more 5 minutes later when you dont feel anything!
Hope this helps a little bit?!
I know some people even skin pop it?!
People will say no to skin popping or IM injection, but plenty of people do it. SWIM has done it by accident, of course, every time he has missed a vein. So far, nothing has happened. Only once did an ugly and large brown bruise appear, but that went away within a few days. The general rule is that skin popping and IM shooting isn't the healthiest way to go, but the truth is lots of users do this.
Maybe it is a kind of Immune-Status Matter,
if you are Okay, Healthy and in a good condition
the Body can accept a amount of IM-Shoots,
but if you start to get a Immune-Defekt- eg. by to many shoots,
the Body starts to get aggressive and to not accept them anymore?
So he will not longer absorb the stuff,
instead he react with necrosis and mucopus?
SWIM never got abscesses or other skin problems the 4 years he was shooting heroin, except 1 time:
He was completely out of veins (from having enough money to buy a lot of heroin for a long period of time), and his last resorts were the veins that run in his shoulders into his chest. He was using a longtip and ended up just pumping the shot into his shoulder muscle, in the spot they recommend for IM injections. Anyways, it turned into a huge deep hole that took a long time to heal. So SWIM can affirm from practical experience what the others on this thread of stated: that IM is not a good way to go with street heroin; either IV or smoke or snort it.
Personally I wouldnt even bother. If your gonna goto the trouble of aquiring works, cooking up and drawing blood then you might as well mainline it. Seriously IM sucks anyway, even with a clean hit, it takes longer to hit, is not as intense however does last longer but there aint much of a rush. Id go IV all the time if your too worried about it then just snort or smoke dude. IM is a quick way to lose a limb too. I developed a couple of abscesses in my early years of use when i accidentally hit muscles thinking drunkenly or stoned that they were veins.
If you ARE gonna IM take extra special care to sterilise everything your using, clean everything you touch prior and DONT use street heroin as it WILL contain a small amount of bacteria no matter what ANYone tells you. Hell people stick it up their asses ffs.!!!! If you still do , add some citric acid and use distilled water. Also make sure you cook the hell out of it ok, to kill most bacteria.
Good luck with your choice. But remember is it worth losing a limb over a shot that doesnt even give you a good rush or high.
SWIM has a question relating to intramuscular use, when it seems that there's an abcess starting what's the best way to deal with it without going to the doctor?
Is there any particular method of getting an abcess to go away or for example using heat to try and bring it to a head and get the puss out.
SWIM never goes to their doctor and has only been once before a few years ago for another abcess and SWIM doesn't want the insurance to know about the heroin use.
If SWIM could get antibiotics from a needle exchange does anyone know if that will fix the problem?
I would really recommend seeing a doctor, but if Swiy is determined not to then the best thing he/she can do is to get hold of some antibiotics (penicillin). I wouldn't advocate attempting drainage unless Swiy knows what they're doing, but he/she can apply a warm, clean compress, to try and encourage it to open by itself.
If it doesn't begin to improve within a week, it's very important that Swiy does see a doctor. It's possible to get resistant strains of bacteria (such as MRSA) which will need specialist antibiotic treatment. Without treatment Swiy could loose a limb or even die. He/she might also become more susceptable to infective endocarditis, which no-one wants.
Sorry to scare you - just want to make sure you do the right thing .
thanks for the advice, SWIM knows how dangerous this can be but doesn't want to risk losing her insurance over drugs, she's not even sure if this can happen but in the past, whenever going to the doctors she's said she doesn't use any drugs.
maybe she's just being paranoid but i think if it doesn't get better in a few days SWIM can at least go to a free clinic and have it treated.
Wanting to give his veins a rest SWIM has had IM injections of heroin several times and never had problems with the pratice, the area (buttocks) get sore after few days of continued use (up to 3 injections a day) but SWIM has noticed that using white heroin is much better compared to brown heroin because the citric used to dissolve it can cause many problems (ie. more pain during and after the injection, soreness and even abcesses..etc).
I guess SWIM has been very lucky that the stuff he gets in the area where he lives at the moment comes always in the chlorhydrate form. The rule of thumb is to use clean works all the times, sharp needles and before and after the injection is good pratice to give the area a good rub with some cotton soaked with disinfectant.
Of course compared to the IV amministration the initial rush is not present but with good dope, after 5 to 10 minutes, SWIM is able to feel the same type of high the only difference is that the heroin is absorbed more slowly but i guess SWIM only resort to this pratice when he know he will have no luck with his vein otherwise the preference is for the IV injection all the way.
My best friend Earl has just been turned onto black tar heroin, almost two weeks now, and after reading this and a few other postings he is very scared/worried. The person that recommended to him suggested snorting it until he could get a needle, but he was having a problem finding the right dose. He almost gave up and went back to taking pills orally, which he has done for 5+ years, until this person got him a new needle. This person claimed to have almost 15 years experience with heroin and told him to inject it in the lower shoulder and bicep area. He used the phrase "muscle it".
This person either, did not know the risks or just did not think they were worth sharing. He is so concerned right now he is four hours away from his morning dose and he is contemplating not doing it. Since he was not shown how to do it IV, that somewhat limits his options.
Please, I need some advise soon. He has black tar heroin and at this point realizing how ignorant he really is on the subject, is questioning everything he has been told. He has read on here that snorting is about 65% as effective as using a needle, which is inline with his own experience earlier last week.
Basically, what options are there that are at least as effective as IM, other than IV since he has no one to show him how.
Also, he is currently taking Clindamycin, which is an antibiotic, for a tooth procedure. Does this offer him any protection from the side effects listed above while he is taking the medication? For example, could he do his morning dose IM since he is currently on an antibiotic? This would allow him to stay well long enough to find another method.
Sorry if it sound like I am overacting or stressing, but after reading this and another posting I am worried for ..... my friend.
I have never IM'ed it (on purpose) but I would imagine the best place to do it would be in the arse cheek or thigh area.A good way would be to plug it,which is basically cooking it up and then shooting it up your arse.The rectum has lots of blood vessels so it absorbs quickly.If you want to plug it or even IV it then use the search engine and there are a few step by step guides to doing both.Whatever you do be sensible and safe.
Just smoke it man. Get some foil, get a toot and just smoke it. If swiy is just gonna bang it anyway, yea go for your ass cheeks, just make sure swiy rotates injection points around. Sharp needles and clean habits will help a lotttt in the long run and do what swiy can to keep it under 4 shots a day, and even that's a lot.