Opinions - Belladonna

[Junkhead23]

Any SWIYS tried it?

If so what was it like?

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Having been here this long and being this active, you should know by now that we have a Nightshade subforum!

[wespawloski]

SWIM has tried datura, in the same family. It made SWIM drift into dampened consciousness, he became more like a zombie, it was slightly annoying.

All in all, neutral/negative experience.

If SWIY wants to try, remember : This family of plant can be lethal, one must take it very slow. SWIM suggests a tea, to be taken in hour increments. SWIY may find after the first cup he feels nothing but lack of conscious and then could choose whether to continue.

SWIM did have a... interesting experience with a gaba-agonist / datura combo... He can't remember much though.

[Potter]

As far as the nightshade family goes, it's probably the last one to experiment with as it mostly contains Atropine as an active ingredient, and atropine pretty much messes with the heart and not much else.

As it's clear you haven't done much research on the subject, may I suggest reading One River by Wade Davis, there's a pretty fantastic tale in there as to exactly why it's best to avoid the Daimonica family of drugs. To tell it short, an associate ofg his did some datura and seems to have spent three days naked in the middle of this town in Mexico generally scaring the shit out of people, when he asked the police why the didn't arrest him, they responded "None of us were about to go anywhere near you you crazy fucking gringo"

You can read through all of the posts in Nightshades in the matter of a day and it's well worth it, there's a few real gems hidden about that board. This is NOT a realm to explore with out substantial research, what we've got here is hardly enough to make an informed decision on the subject and you really aught consider some hard core book research on the topic. Sorry I don't yet have a reading list assembled, but Plants of the gods and Pharmako/Gnosis are you're best starts.

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good warning, nice reading suggestions. hope to see the list soon

[wespawloski]

SWIM has heard the above information ^ and was excited to try it... didn't work for SWIM, he got hit with a negative reaction... He would not want to push it any further in his current fearfulness.

[Catnap]

SWIM would advise to use this with extreme caution. As with Hemlock the way a person responds is very dependant on their state of mind. If they are down at the time Belladonna can make a person feel a million times worse. Just SWIMs humble opinion and knowing people who have used it.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Any SWIYS tried it?

If so what was it like?

A close friend of mine tried this because he was dared to do nothing illegal for a month and he heard he could trip off some plant that grows along the side of the road so he tried it. That was a few years ago. My friend still hallucinates that there is a ninja hiding in the corner about to kill him. This is sober. Also whenever he smokes weed or trips on anything, that trip gets dragged up from the depths of his memories. Not a pleasant experience in the slightest.

[Potter]

Catnap: What the hell are you talking about "Hemlock's effects being dependent on the state of mind? There's a few plants that go by that name, one being a conifer with no psychoactive properties, and then there are three species in Apiaceae, considered tp be among the deadliest plants on the planet. It was one of these, Conium, that was used to kill Socrates.

From Wiki:

The most important and toxic of these is coniine, which has a chemical structure similar to nicotine. Coniine is a neurotoxin, which disrupts the workings of the central nervous system and is toxic to humans and all classes of livestock. Coniine causes death by blocking the neuromuscular junction in a manner similar to curare; this results in an ascending muscular paralysis with eventual paralysis of the respiratory muscles which results in death due to lack of oxygen to the heart and brain. Death can easily be prevented by artificial ventilation until the effects have worn off 48-72 hours later. Ingestion of Poison Hemlock in any quantity can result in respiratory collapse and death. For an adult the ingestion of more than 100 mg of coniine (approximately 6 to 8 fresh leaves, or a smaller dose of the seeds or root) may result in fatality.

And for the N. American species we have:

The chief poison is cicutoxin, an unsaturated aliphatic alcohol that is most concentrated in the roots. Upon human consumption, nausea, vomiting, and tremors occur within 30–60 minutes, followed by severe cramps, projectile vomiting, and convulsions. There are occasional long-term effects, like retrograde amnesia. Ingestion of water hemlock in any quantity can result in death or permanent neurological damage of the central nervous system.

Hemlock is fucking deadly as all hell and should not EVER be consumed in ANY quantity.

[Nemba]

Originally Posted by Potter

Hemlock is fucking deadly as all hell and should not EVER be consumed in ANY quantity.

EDIT: SORRY! Mistook hemlock for henbane. Yes, Hemlock is DEADLY and there is no reason whatsoever to take it.

[original bit (about henbane, not hemlock):
I dunno, recreationally sure, that's true, but there are some very legitimate anti-anxiety uses of microdoses of standardised hyoscyamus extract, my girlfriend is prescribed a comp. of gold, antimony and hyoscyamus i.m. injections by her homeopathic doctor (with a legitimate normal medical degree too, she just prefers to use such things before resorting to chemicals if the person doesn't respond well) and they help her incredibly.]

SWIM has tried a tea of 40 tree-datura seeds, a very small dose (in the range of potencies, this could be anywhere between nothing and just over threshold) together with one tab of LSD, this was one of the most amazing experiences he ever had, even taking a lot more acid than that has never replicated the quality of the effects he felt that time. Of course, he was young(er) and reckless at this point, and would still never repeat that, but it is possible to use them safely, just a lot more dangerous, and likely not worth the risk. But for some, any risk is worth it to get every range of experience they can.

[Evil GIR]

Swim has tried datura, the best way to describe it is, dreaming when your awake.
So like a dream strange things happen, but your unaware your dreaming.
Though this happens while your awake, so your unaware of what your doing but able to movie around and interact with the real word. To an outside your talking to trees or imaginary people. But you don't know you are because your sleeping while your awake.

Add to this a bad flu, sore throat with lots of dehydration it doesnt make this substance very fun. BUT it is very interesting, you get a kinda dream deja vu, or state dependant memory thing from it at low doses. Its just not very fun, mostly becuase of the flu like symptoms and blury vision.

[Catnap]

I was not advocating eating Hemlock. SWIM burns it on an open fire and inhales the smoke. This is not deadly. Nightshade can be used in the same way according to SWIM.

I should have been clearer - I apologise.

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interesting info on burning hemlock

[welshmick]

SWIM took once in a product called Potters Asthma Powder,


U are supposed to light a platefull in a room, and inhale the fumes, but
SWIM read a newspaper atricle on how people where ingesting it mixed with tea.


SWIM took a couple of spoonfulls in some tea, great fun initially, hulicanations sociable etc.

Took 2 days to feel normal again, Bad halucinations (Clown faces screaming )

Would not take again

[Catnap]

Can I just be very clear. Please DO NOT smoke hemlock or nightshade. They are lethal and shouldnt be orally ingested or smoked as a joint etc.

SWIM has direct experience of hemlock and nightshade being burnt on an open fire (not inside but outside) as part of shamanic rituals. It has brief but real effects. If you inhale hemlock in a closed room it can be very dangerous. I have seen a couple ready to batter each other to death (they had a row before inhaling the hemlock and it just increased their mood a hundred fold).

Please please DO NOT smoke or ingest hemlock or nightshade. It could very well be the last thing you do and its so not worth it.

[69Ron]

These types of plants are best taken in microdoses in conjunction with another psychedelic. For example, 3 Datura stramonium seeds in combination with 1-4 HBWR seeds produces an experience that is almost like LSD and free of nausea. It’s much nicer than HBWR is on its own. Such a dose is extremely small and safe.

I don’t recommend taking high doses of any of these kinds of plants to experience psychoactive effects because the doses needed for that (50 or more Datura stramonium seeds) are bordering on being lethal. The delirium they produce is a symptom that occurs near the lethal dose, so it’s very dangerous to use these plants for that purpose. By combining safe doses with other psychoactive compounds, you can experience new deeper effects with most psychoactive compounds without the danger of tropane alkaloid overdose.

Many people die from tropane alkaloid overdoses all the time. Be careful.

[Sushi]

Originally Posted by 69Ron

By combining safe doses with other psychoactive compounds, you can experience new deeper effects with most psychoactive compounds without the danger of tropane alkaloid overdose.

There are creatures I don't know who found the idea of potentiation with microdoses of tropane alkaloids to be quite exciting. One person I see in my dreams is very curious, however, whether there are psychoactive substances that should never ever be potentiated this way.

What would be too risky to combine with those three Datura stramonium seeds I see in my dreams?

Wouldn't it be prudent to create a list of such substances and of possible dangers involved with potentiating them with tropane alkaloids?

[69Ron]

Try 3 seeds of Datura stramonium with 1 tab of LSD. It's quite nice according to several SWIMs. 3 seeds contain such a small amount of hyoscyamine that it cannot possibly be dangerous.

[sunyata]

Originally Posted by 69Ron

Try 3 seeds of Datura stramonium with 1 tab of LSD. It's quite nice according to several SWIMs. 3 seeds contain such a small amount of hyoscyamine that it cannot possibly be dangerous.

Since these tropanes synergise with many compounds one should be sure that it is really LSD one is ingesting. Mixing something like bdfly or 5-meo-amt with it is probably not nice. It might be, but swim would´t even want to be a passive observer to that experiment.

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an important cautionary note

[Junkhead23]

By the way when pacman asked this question he wasn't thinking of trying it he just wanted to hear some experiences of the drug as he had been told that Belladonna causes delirium and he was wondering why anyone would really want that. Nightmare like hallucinations don't sound like pacman's cup of tea really.

With regards to posting in the wrong forum sorry normally in the opiates forum