Extend the Roll

[mf400]

Has anyone taken extra stuff to enhance or lengthen the roll? The come-down is so awful and the experience itself is rather short, usually3-4 hours total.

[Nature Boy]

I don't try to extend the buzz myself, I just try to gently ease down off it with as little wiredness as possible. I usually lie back for a while (failing to sleep obviously) and then get up in about an hour's time and smoke some joints or have a few beers so I get my appetite back again and can resume the day half normally.

[TranceAddict]

taking some 5-htp pills helps you replenish your serotonin thus make ur
comedown smoother. Take some after ur roll is dont so u wont feel so
bad the next day

[Nature Boy]

Don't take too many though. Taking smarties coming down off pills can kill you. More people die like that than from the Es alone.

[sg43]

Some nitrous when your starting to come down always gets you rollin again, and also a little coke...but i dont do coke...

[bubaloo]

coke, for some reason, kill the mdma buzz, which is annoying, although you still get a nice coke high, i recommend ghb just as you start to come down, for me, it brings me back up quite a lot.

[sg43]

SWIM cant wait to try some GHB, it sounds great, especially while on x and for the comedown, come here now you damned GBL! Edited by: sg43

[mf400]

Is the 5htp useful at all for the comedown? I tried nitrous during, and didnt feel anything remarkable. After SWIM tried nitrous and LSD, nothing can compare to a nitrous drug combo.

[a-SalviaLover]

What would happen if one eats some shroomz or other psychedelics during the end of the peak for example, so it can take over the end of the E experience? Would it bring some of the empathy to the trip thus extending it some way?

[Nagognog2]

Psychedelics, such as 2-CB, have commonly been given to people undergoing psychotherapy with MDMA towards the end of the MDMA experience IF the subject showed they were ready to accept the deeper levels of their shadow at play. In other words, they had achieved an anxiety-free state and were able to understand how this was attained.

[kieran]

whats GHB?

[Nagognog2]

UTFSE! Is: Use the fucking search engine. TY.

[big-lester]

I don't know anything to extend it but at the comedown I smoke tons of pot the have a better comedown
Edited by: big-lester

[dark_emotions]

Personally I hate the come-down SOOOOOOO MUCH. What a crappy feeling, I sometimes want to keep the hit going, and that's usually when either it's been an excellent E or if I have had an awesome night with friends.....but sometimes I just want to come down and be done with it.


The other thing I really hate is whenever I do E (1 or 2) is I can never, ever f*ckin sleep...... HAS THIS HAPPENED TO ANY ONE ELSE?


If I hit at let's say 12am my buzz usually lasts till about 6am-7am, when we all decide to part for the night (well morning), I end up staying up all day and then sleep when I am normally suppose to. Then I end up feeling really run down and tired cause I screwed myself up. I feel like I have been beat to a pulp for at least 3 days after having an E session.....SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME SO I KNOW THAT I AM SOME WHAT NORMAL.

[Tony Blair]

^ I personally think there is no such thing as a comedown..

Coming back to reality after having a good time? What could be better?



I dunno, it sounds like you are planning those few hours to be the best
time of your life, as opposed to each and every day being the best time
of your life. Don't try and escape from everyday life, love it



Anyway, I don't know you, so I can't judge. But you look a bit
tense from your posting -- and tense people I know complain of the same.



As for the sleep thing, stop stressing. You're bound to feel naff
after staying up for an extra day... Unless you're getting speedylilke
adulterants in your pills, it should be fairly easy to sleep on MDMA,
as long as you learn to relax



All the best, and eat some 5-htp

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[Jatelka]

For SWIM it's all about transition. Going straight from a high stimulus environment to bed never worked for her: She ended up feeling twitchy/achy and rubbish for days. SWIM recommends a walk/float back from the club, a cup of tea and a spliff, accompanied by some less hectic music and (for SWIM anyway) a nature documentary with the sound turned off.


Blissful sleep...

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good suggestions!

[Tony Blair]

^ absolutely spot on. Warm shower, read some Adrian Mole or something, fall asleep in front of Fawlty Towers

[MushroomTrip]

Fist of all I think what you call comedown is comind from not so good
pills. And it's not so bad, happened to me once or twice and I tryed to
remain calm, smoked a joint and everything was ok. I have friends who
have pretty paranoid comedowns and I don't get it. How can you be
depressed after you had such a good time?

[Sky Walker]

^They are depressed due to serotonin depletion.^

[JewishNazi]

ah, Fawlty Towers. John Clese is good to atch all times of the day,

[dark_emotions]

Originally Posted by MegaLev

^ I personally think there is no such thing as a comedown..
Coming back to reality after having a good time? What could be better?

When your in such an "altered state" and you have been drinking or have done another drug or even another pill, there is always a "comedown" whatever way you want to describe it. Even when smoking a dube, you have a "comedown". When you drink you hit a point called "sobering up"....there will always be a "comedown" whenever you have a drink or a drug. Mind you I am not challenging an argument or anything...please dont think that, but the times that I have done E or anything else has been on more than one occassion, years at that....I always seem to have a "comedown", maybe wanting more or wanting it to end due to a bad trip. Maybe I am using the wrong term to describe this, but most people I hope can agree that there is a point you lose the "sensation"...that's all.

Originally Posted by MegaLev

I dunno, it sounds like you are planning those few hours to be the best time of your life, as opposed to each and every day being the best time of your life. Don't try and escape from everyday life, love it

Anyway, I don't know you, so I can't judge. But you look a bit tense from your posting -- and tense people I know complain of the same.

As for the sleep thing, stop stressing. You're bound to feel naff after staying up for an extra day... Unless you're getting speedylilke adulterants in your pills, it should be fairly easy to sleep on MDMA, as long as you learn to relax

As far as me being able to sleep....whenever I am not on a drug I have trouble sleeping...I always have...so when I do E I really cant sleep, even if I am DEAD TIRED. Again, everyone handles things like this differently. I am not tense. When I do Shrooms, I can fall asleep, when I drink, I can definately fall asleep. It's just when it come to E I have a big problem falling asleep. That's all, I also want to say thank you for your comment, I know your not judging me or anything, I just wanted to let you know who I AM and to give you a bit of my history and experiences...Thanks again

Originally Posted by MegaLev

All the best, and eat some 5-htp

[nanobrain]

the other day a friend had 200mg pure MDMA powder on an empty stomach and was asleep 2 hours later.

i rephrase the question. what can be used to extend the mitigation of downregulation of the 5HT2a subpopulations?

BTW, indiscriminate use of 5HTP can result in serotonin syndrome, as only some goes cross BBB, much remains peripheral.

gammahydroxybutyrolactone has a very steep d/r curve and should never be combined with alcohol. imnsho, GHB, and especially GBL and more so 1,4B should be taken out of circulation and the retail distributors administered severe beatings.Edited by: nanobrain

[big-lester]

i have the answer: take some mushrooms during your roll(s), and you will never have a nasty comedown again!

[OneOfMany]

You're basically over stimulating your seritonin system. Anything that has a similar, but longer acting effect would probably help mitigate the comedown effects. I'm picturing Xoloft, Paxil, or any of the SSRIs would probably help a bit. But there is always going to be a change in feeling...otherwise you wouldn't have taken the drug in the first place!

And SWIM agrees that pot can be a nice thing to mix with many things including X...but it wasn't saved for the end to just cause sleep with. That'd be a waste in their humble opinion. The removal of the stimulant effect along with the usual late hour were enough to allow sleep in their experiences.

As far as 5HTP...never seemed like it did much for SWIM. Before or after...didn't seem to matter. But this was usually after a single to peak with, then redosing with halfs for 2-3 total pills. Course they do have a genetic propensity toward depression that they now take pretty strong anti-depressants for.

As always YMMV with the above advice...

[Nagognog2]

"would probably" is a poor reply. Taking an SSRI like Zoloft or Paxil is not a suggested remedy. These drugs work only if taken for several weeks, and then to cause a long-term change to your brain chamistry. They do not act like an aspirin for a headache. And they can be dangerous as well. Perhaps take some 5HTP. Otherwise kick back. Eat. Take a multi-vitamin. Have a brew/joint, and pay the piper for your fun night. You earned it.