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Old 11-05-2009, 21:55
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Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

SWIM was just wondering the differences if any that other cats have experienced with withdrawal from sniffing dope compared to shooting it. Swim personally has quit 2 or 3 times before when he was sniffing it and managed to stay clean for close to a month each time, but since he has switched to shooting he hasn't had the same luck. would anyone else like to share their experiences?
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Swim was able to kick from sniffing relatively large amounts a few times. The W.D.s were much less than plesant but it was doable. Since switching to shooting he has only been able to substitute with methadone or suboxin and even then never lasted more than a week. The w.d.s from cold turkey are easily 100x worse shooting that sniffing. Swim is a pretty good sample for this because his dose wether sniffed or injected was always about 5 or 6 bags.
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Red Rock's withdrawals from just snorting heroin were much, much more mild compared to when he started shooting it. After he started shooting heroin, the withdrawals got the worst he has ever experienced from heroin.
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Old 12-05-2009, 00:02
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Swiq can only give comparisons for smoking and injecting, as he has never really snorted that much Heroin. Gram for gram injecting will produce slightly worse physical withdrawals simply because more of the drug gets into your system due to differences in bioavailability.
Swiq has endured withdrawals after long-term periods of injecting 1-1.5g H p/day he has also gone through withdrawals after long-term periods from smoking H 1.5-3g p/day, to be completely honest the physical withdrawals from smoking H were probably worse.
The physiological withdrawals will likely be worse IV as you get fixated with the ritual of the needle, there is the pre-adrenalin rush and then the H rush itself that you can't compare with smoking or snorting, however injecting is a fairly quickly done affair, whilst smoking and snorting is usually done over a much longer period of time, this then becomes more of a social habit/addiction instead of just a means to an end.

The fact is if you end up with a daily habit you will go through hellish withdrawals, the chances are you’ll end up either switching to the needle after a period of time to reduce the amount you end up using anyways or use larger amounts of H if sticking to snorting.
Think of it like this, if you broke 7 fingers it would hurt more than just breaking 6 fingers? But breaking 6 fingers will still bloody hurt.
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Old 12-05-2009, 05:58
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AW: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

WD. depends mostly by the Time the Drug need to be absorb!
So we can say that IV. always make a harder WD..
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Old 12-05-2009, 13:26
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

For the first few months of this year Swie was snorting heroin every couple of weeks or so and managing to avoid addiction (she's been addicted in the past). With the heroin in the UK snorting works best if you disolve it in water and citric and then snort the water (or drop it into your nose with a syringe). Her tolerance got to the point where she needed the citric to get any effects at all, and that was really damaging her nose.

So she decided to shoot up 'just a few times'. She's been addicted again ever since.

While snorting it she had pretty good control over it. It wasn't that it was easy to control, but it was manageable. As soon as she started injecting again that all went out of the window. Now the best she can do is to try and keep it to three times a day.

Shooting is a completely different ballpark. As it sounds like Swiy has discovered already. That's when it really gets hold of you.

edit:
Sorry - you asked about withdrawal. Physical wds aside, the psychological aspect of withdrawal tends to be so much worse when injecting.

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thanks for your input, insightful and realistic view on snorting "V" shooting.
Good post - particularly last part

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Old 19-05-2009, 19:39
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Yeah shooting is defiantly a whole different animal, swim only snorted H for a short period and the wd's were doable cold turkey. With shooting swim can't deal going cold turkey and expecting to stay clean swim isn't strong enough. With snorting it took a few weeks for swim to even have mild WD symptoms but with shooting even 5 days of using swim will get some pretty nasty WD's.
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

For swim's experience, the wd's from shooting dope compared to snorting dope is that although wd does not come on as quickly, it is much worse. However, swim will say that the stomach cramps from snorting are alot worse than from shooting. Swim would assume that wd from shooting is harder becasue when one ingests the drug intraveinously, one gets a stronger dose than from sniffing. Swim also believes that alot of dope is wasted when it is engested through the nose.
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

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Originally Posted by jon-q View Post
Swiq can only give comparisons for smoking and injecting, as he has never really snorted that much Heroin. Gram for gram injecting will produce slightly worse physical withdrawals simply because more of the drug gets into your system due to differences in bioavailability.
Swiq has endured withdrawals after long-term periods of injecting 1-1.5g H p/day he has also gone through withdrawals after long-term periods from smoking H 1.5-3g p/day, to be completely honest the physical withdrawals from smoking H were probably worse.
Wow I'm glad i'm not the only one because i've heard this from multiple people and it's my own personal experience as well. My habit of smoking 1-1.5g's of Heroin a day had MUCH worse withdrawals when I had to pay ym dues than when I was shooting 1-1.5g's of day. The withdrawals from IV were bad. But physically withdrawaling (puking uncontrollably especially) was 10x worse from m smoking habit than m shooting habit. Glad to be clean today though. ALthough it's not by choise it's by location. The only opiates I get come in the form of Dilaudid's & Fentanyl every month. I'd die to find just one bag of heroin in Boise, ID.
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Yeah the withdrawals are definitely worse when shooting. SWIM actually made it through cold turkey once when he was only snorting it. He was snorting about 2 grams a day and it was really just 3 days of shit and he felt okay the 4th day. (to cap the story off, he was so happy to have made it through, he got wasted the next night on alcohol and was so hung over he went right back to dope)

Shooting it SWIM has never been able to make it more than 48 hours since his last dose, before he will go and do any crazy fucking unforgivable thing in the world to get some more. SWIM has seen his brother make it through 4-6 days cold turkey IV, and even with clonodine/valiums he is still fucked up and feeling like shit 7 days later (7 days then right back to dope).
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Old 25-05-2009, 20:38
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Re: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

Wds get worse everytime. Once ur a user. It takes months to get a proper habit. I know u get a little ill if u use everyday for a week etc. But seriously it gets worse everytime. Also when u are clean if you manage it, u will feel more pain than a normal person. If you got urself a raging habit, it makes no odds if u bang up, snort or smoke. If its your 10th year and u aint banged it for 2 yrs but been smokin for 1 ur cluck will still be worse than ur first. Trust. If ur in your first couple of years stop now while its still easy. It might seem hard but you fuckin wait!!!!!!! - sorry dont mean to sound patronising just went into one.

However, there is a condition Ive had and im sure many other users have had called a needle fixation where if you are so used to havin a dig 3 or 4 times daily or whatever ur dose, you become addicted to the needle itself as well. I can remember a few years ago banging anything, water, vodka, subbies, fuckin anything. Now thats a human pin cushion.

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Re: AW: Snorting VS Shooting (withdrawals)

it depends on how much heroin is actually absorbed (its bio-availability). if a person i.v's a gram of heroin a day there achieving virtually 100% bioavailabilty, while the same person snorting a gram of heroin only gets 40% bioavailibility (interestingly thats the same bioavailibility a person gets when smoking heroin).
so withdrawls are based on how much of the drug is absorbed and crosses the blood brain barrier, its bioavailibility, while the route of administration plays a role its more indirect- because of bioavailibilty differences.

if swims math is correct if a person injects (100% bioavailibility) 1 gram of heroin on a daily basis the withdrawls would be the same as a person snorting or smoking (because of 40% bioavailibility) 2.5 grams of heroin daily.
^math is not swims strong suit but it appears to be correct, even if the numbers are slightly off the principle is right.


swims source on 40% bioavailibility of snorting and smoking drugs -
http://books.google.com/books?id=otx...esult&resnum=8

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