Are Drugs part of the "New World Order"?

[Spucky]

How is the Opinion from the Member of Df.?
Are Drugs a part to enslave us,
to control us,
to make us easy foreseeable?

Are Drugs like THC, Opiods, Benzos, Cocaine, etc. only a Way
for easy Eugenik?

Do we finance our own Burial?
Do we finance the War against our Class?

Swim is very curious about your Opinion,
or do you never think about this possibility?

Edit: it`s not Spam for me, i really need to discuss that!

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	On the contrary, I think it's quite poetic. :)
	Deffinitly not spam,thanks for bringing up an interesting debate.

[fnord]

Historically those in power have been against drugs, because drug users are usually free thinkers and as such an enemy of what your referring to as the "NWO"

This has been gong on from the middle ages when the catholic church banned the use of hops and other herbs in beer due to ther effects,nowadays we see it with any substance that alters the mind besides caffeine,alcohol,etc.

[Master_Khan]

Unfortunately most people are already just slaves in search of a Master. Drugs are a master capable of taking on all comers.

If someone is taking control of the things in life that they can control, it is possible to view and experience drugs as an occasional luxury.

Agree with fnord, drug use is not likely a tool of the NWO, although they will not pass up any opportunity to enslave.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by fnord

Historically those in power have been against drugs, because drug users are usually free thinkers and as such an enemy of what your referring to as the "NWO"

Do swiny think this is really true?
Because look, my Cat loves Statistics
and they show that the normal Drug-User 08/15
is not a "Freethinker".
More than 75% of all is mostly unemployed, low education
and not able to understand what is happen to him.

From the Rest of 25% there are some "Freethinkers"
but who of them is able after 25 Years of Drug-Use
to combine all the Path for a conclusion?

Also i see all this Studies i see many times that some Groups,
who have a high interest into Eugenik, sponsored them.

Originally Posted by Master_Khan

Unfortunately most people are already just slaves in search of a Master. Drugs are a master capable of taking on all comers.

If someone is taking control of the things in life that they can control, it is possible to view and experience drugs as an occasional luxury.

Agree with fnord, drug use is not likely a tool of the NWO, although they will not pass up any opportunity to enslave.

Look to all the Laws who change for the "War on Drugs"
look to this immense amount of Money, black Money,(more than 500.000.000.000 USD.)
they can use this to developed more Weapons to fight "Free People"!

Maybe also remember the "Iran-Contra Affair"!
(maybe people have to Google, because many young Users here!)

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Great reference and point about the Iran-Contra affair

[fnord]

Ok so assuming that the global elite want to enslave the populace using drugs,why would they not make them legal? I mean i guess you could assume they want them ileagle so those that do cause a problem could be easily locked away in jail but wouldent it be more effective to just dope up everyone? thus asuring a higer amount of people with sedated brains?

[Nature Boy]

Hogan, Nash and Scott Hall have used drugs so yes, they very much are a part of the nWo.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by fnord

Ok so assuming that the global elite want to enslave the populace using drugs,why would they not make them legal?

Alcohol is legal!

And maybe it is more controllable with this "Semi-Legal" status,
no one can tell me that it is impossible to stop
the big trade and Drug-Supermarkets

And last we dont know whats happen in the next Years,

Originally Posted by fnord

I mean i guess you could assume they want them ileagle so those that do cause a problem could be easily locked away in jail but wouldent it be more effective to just dope up everyone? thus asuring a higer amount of people with sedated brains?

How many People are on Drugs in your Place?
Look in the Western Country`s like US., GB and the rest of Eu. more
than 25% already use Anti-Depressiva, + the Alcoholics and illegal Drug-Users it will rise inkl. the People who are using more than 1 Drug,
above 50%!
We all know that we are living in a Drug-Society!

[sylvanshia]

Its an interesting question it was explored by the writer Aldous Huxley in the novel Brave New World where the leaders of the NWO used a perfect drug called soma to pacify the world. Huxley was one of the first authors to think about a NWO and he was the mentor for George Orwell. Huxley makes a good point in his later essays about how world leaders could use drugs to control and pacify people. So yes if the governments came up with a policy that could play off peoples drug use it could be a tool in a so called new world order.

[coelho]

I think some drugs like alcohol are legal because they make people easier to control. The system forces people to work their asses off then gives them the weekend's booze to calm them down, to make them forget all the suffering they had to endure during the work and allow them to keep living their shitty lifes without much complaints about it. Im pretty sure that without booze many people wouldnt submit themselves to working for the system the way they do nowadays.

Yet other substances like cannabis, or other psychedelics, allows people to see how their lifes are controlled by the system, to see all the system's lies, and to transcend the illusions the system makes people believe, so, for the system this kind of substances is very dangerous, and thats why they are forbidden.

Anyway, the most powerful drug that the system uses to control people, to dumb them down, and to make them mindless sheeps isnt even considered a drug... its called television. The moment one turns on the tv one turns off its own mind.

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You re so right about alcohol..television is the worst drug of all times. It has a hypnotizing brain washing effect.

[Desertfox]

Alcohol and Cigarettes are the only substances being used by the NWO to enslave humanity and everyone seems to accept that willingly. And part of the reason other drugs were made illegal is because people like you would come up with conspiracies that the government is trying to control the population if these substance were regulated or supplied by that government. For instance if acid was never made illegal and actually supported by the government, future generations of people who were not around during its discovery and has not taken it, would see them as a mind control device of that goverment that made them legal. So in a sense that fact that they are illegal makes me feel safer in taking them because SWIM doesn't have those paranoid thoughts that he has been tricked into ingesting something that now controls his thoughts or ingesting somethin that allows me to be influenced by this NWO. but SWIM can talk about this forever but the whole drug war in the sixties and today happened because it had too, so conspiracy theorists would not have any excuses in the future to not take these amazing psychoactive substances, thinking that our governments were trying to control us through these drugs, and our history will prove that for future generations. Everything happens as it should...


and TV is the opiate of the masses. It is literally Tell-a-vision. instead of experiencing your own visions you sit there and listened to other people tell about there's

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Excellent and thought provoking point. The normalisation of drug use would then be seen as the tool of "the man&quo...

[allyourbase]

yes, I think that CERTAIN establishment figures foster the propegation of particularly notorious substances to further their own political agendas. Id like to keep from naming names, but through swim's particular contacts he can confirm wholeheartedly that governor Rick Perry is the primary importer of black tar heroin in the united states. Although at the moment hes using all of its profits to hold on to his tenuous hold over governorship of the state. he proposes legally impossible solutions to "the drug war" (which has become quite violent of late) such as violation of posse commentatus by stationing the states guard in the region, a futile move on two parts, first theyve NO police powers over our citizens, second, theyve LESS legal power over illegal immigrants. they are the least effective measure, which of course the drug lords AND rick perry both support. =/

[Routemaster Flash]

There is no 'new world order' - conspiracy theories of this kind are demonstrably untrue not because they take too dim a of view governments, but because they give governments too much credit. Governments generally have at best half an idea of what's going on in their own countries, let alone around the world. Politicians are not in fact alien lizard overlords hell-bent on enslaving Earth's puny mammalian denizens for their own inscrutable ends, they're fallible human beings like the rest of us, except with national budgets at their disposal, the power to make laws and armed forces under their control.

Some of them, no doubt, really do at least think they have the public's best interests at heart; some are just greedy fuckers with no morals who are in it to feather their nests with whatever juicy incentives bankers and industrialists can throw their way; and others still are driven by a lust for power, racism, religious fervour and so on. To assume that they, along with industry, finance and organised religion are all working together on some grand sinister Scheme is to attribute a level of competence and organisation that just isn't there.

That said, there are obviously many cases of smaller-scale conspiracies whereby certain governmental and corporate organisations collaborate in ways that are either suspect or downright illegal. I think the most sinister aspect to this is the political influence and financial concerns of big media organisations.

Routemaster Flash added 6 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Edit: Desertfox, if we assume for a moment that the NWO is using alcohol and cigarettes to control populations, I think you're wrong to say they're only drugs being used in this way - in my opinion the global pharmaceutical industry, and in particular the psychiatric drugs it produces, are far more sinister.

Your doctor is there to help you quit drinking or smoking but there are many other drugs he is there to put you on, not get you off.

[Spucky]

But "Why" so many Times the FBI, CIA and other secret/ semi-legal organizations
are involved into the big Drug-Deals?
(Contra-Affair, Taliban, Crack/USA/ in the `80 are the best documented Cases)

Why the FBI changes Weapons against Drugs and where are the Drugs now?
(Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Afghanistan and Pakistan)

Why they don`t stop the Neighborhood Drug-Trade?
(in fact it is so easy to stop the "Open Szene")

Why always the Subculture is a Target, why the Subculture become so vulnerable
for Drugs? (Hippies, Punks and even the Techno-People)
All this Subcultures have big Power in the beginning,
but suddenly, wonder why, the hole mode changed.
In my Theory Heroin/ XTC and Cocaine/ Speed was brought into political motivated circles to destroy the Ambition of Freedom.

Originally Posted by sylvanshia

Its an interesting question it was explored by the writer Aldous Huxley in the novel Brave New World where the leaders of the NWO used a perfect drug called soma to pacify the world. Huxley was one of the first authors to think about a NWO and he was the mentor for George Orwell. Huxley makes a good point in his later essays about how world leaders could use drugs to control and pacify people. So yes if the governments came up with a policy that could play off peoples drug use it could be a tool in a so called new world order.

Very good Point, are this documented?

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by Routemaster Flash

There is no 'new world order' - conspiracy theories of this kind are demonstrably untrue not because they take too dim a of view governments, but because they give governments too much credit.

Then why do the powerful keep talking about it? Come on, man...you don't have to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, or that our world leaders are shapshifting reptilian space Jews, to recognize that there is a group of powerful people that talks an awful lot - openly - about working towards a New World Order, a global utopian technocracy controlling all aspects of our lives, right down to reproduction.

The worldview's adherents are the intellectual descendents of the Fabians. The same cast of characters move in and out of the halls of power, taking time off to work in thinktanks like the CFR, or in Wall St, or at Kissinger and Associates. These are powerful people, and their professed ideology is a bit creepy once you dig beneath the love-and-light surface.

HG Wells, member of the Fabian Society, wrote about it. He called it "The Open Conspiracy". He also wrote "The New World Order" in 1940.

I agree with some of their stated goals...but their arrogance is breathtaking, and their methods beget horrors.

The bizarre thing about the War on Drugs is how many of the most respected intellectuals of left, right, and other have come out against it. Even arch-conservative William F. Buckley, Jr wrote against it at length (he also admitted to having taken Ritalin for decades). Comedians have mocked it mercilessly. Yet it continues. Cui Bono?


ECL

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by El Calico Loco

HG Wells, member of the Fabian Society, wrote about it. He called it "The Open Conspiracy". He also wrote "The New World Order" in 1940.

I agree with some of their stated goals...but their arrogance is breathtaking, and their methods beget horrors.

Are Swiny talk about them?
http://www.fabians.org.uk/publicatio...icy-that-works

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009...sh-government/

(Just have a look to the Ideas)

Edit: Just check this John Man, this Guy is really inside of Bio-Genetic`s and Eugenics.
People with a slight interest have to read about him,
"The elusive Magic Bullet"!

(he wrote also: The Real Deal
Drugs policy that works
John Mann MP ISBN: 071633060
£6.95)

Thats not funny, look the Seal of this organisation

[porchy]

If the 'new world order' is controlling us with alcohol and nicotine and the such then what explains their uses throughout history? For thousands of years people have consumed alcohol and smoked tobacco. What a ludicrous idea.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by porchy

If the 'new world order' is controlling us with alcohol and nicotine and the such then what explains their uses throughout history? For thousands of years people have consumed alcohol and smoked tobacco. What a ludicrous idea.

It`s not only Alcohol and Cigarettes

Also look, until the 19`century many Workers get paid
in a daily/ weekly Hard-Alcohol Ration by all the big Companys.
But Hard-Alcohol was nearly unknown to the People (above 30%)!
It`s followed by an immense amount of destroyed Family`s,
sick Working Class People!

(Maybe look to social study`s about Alcohol in Ireland and Australia.
Both Country`s have a Population who is/was not welcome in the 19 Century)

Tobacco was unknown in Europe until the end of the 18` Century!

[duG22]

Originally Posted by porchy

If the 'new world order' is controlling us with alcohol and nicotine and the such then what explains their uses throughout history? For thousands of years people have consumed alcohol and smoked tobacco. What a ludicrous idea.

but was it just alcohol in ancient times? was the body of Christ the sacred mushroom? look at old Christian art, whats in the background; shrooms. swim believes people of olden days used mixed wines.. which explains why Jesus is just a metaphor

the new world order is using drugs like alcohol (psychoactive free) to imprison people, swim agrees 100%

why is there more cocoa plant growing in Afghanistan then before the war..hmm i wonder

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	confused post, not well-informed
	what your saying sounds interesting but do you have any sources to back this up?
	cocoa plant in Afghanistan? wtf?

[porchy]

I am failing to see how drugs are being used to control us. People chose whether they want to take drugs or not. Alot of people grow their own cannabis, they brew their own alcohol and extract their own DMT - where does the NWO come in here?

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by porchy

I am failing to see how drugs are being used to control us. People chose whether they want to take drugs or not. Alot of people grow their own cannabis, they brew their own alcohol and extract their own DMT - where does the NWO come in here?

Maybe because they spend their Time, Energy and Creativity for that
instead of real enlightenment

Look all the Time People invest in Drugs is missing in make a uprising to make this Planet more livable!
Many Drugs decrease social behave,
many Drugs decrease the ability to see whats happen in the next future

And also very important:
"Drug Use is Illegal, this means People are under Repression".
No one on a Parole will risk anything!

One more Picture from the Fabian Society:

[fnord]

One of the smartest mathematicians in the world once said:

Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression had been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the increasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today's society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants area a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable. (Yes, we know that depression is often of purely genetic origin. We are referring here to those cases in which environment plays the predominant role.)

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	Good find!
	nice find - great addition to the thread!
	good find indeed :)
	Superb addition to discussion.

[cra$h]

drugs inspire revolution, and recently it's been a communistic revolution. just look at the 60's. People see things from another angle, another way, and those who might lose something try to stop it. the users are the underdogs, trying to topple over the big machine. They're meerely a tool of transition from robot, to human. no factory owner wants their employees to stop working, and grow a garden (like tomatoes and shit) and relaxing.

We're already slaves, and drugs help break those chains. haha, brings back a memory of my friend's mushroom trip. he was held back by his parent's oppresion, and had to "break the chains" by escaping the house and exploring the real world. very powerful, and a great metaphor.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by cra$h

drugs inspire revolution, and recently it's been a communistic revolution.

But the Communist Revolution killed already more than
120.000.000 People in China and Russia,
Communism is just a other kind of slavery!
I don`t want this!

Originally Posted by cra$h

We're already slaves,
and drugs help break those chains.

Drugs just help to break a civil Society,
but maybe the civil Society is a bulwark of social values?

If we look to social study`s from the last 40 Years
we will see a immense amount of increase to asocial values,
ignorance and brutality!

If i look to typical American Cities i get a big nightmare
(but i am German, so it is not a big surprise )
so much Violence, envy and lost souls!

A Mule will not become a beautiful Horse by Drugs,
maybe in your Imagination but not the Mule

I done this morning another check up of the "Fabian Society"
they are responsible for all changes inside the "Drug-Work".
(from the decriminalisation in Portugal up to Heroin-programs in EU.)
Mainly also for the use of Heroin in a medical purpose!
And do follow the red clue to the Topic:
We all know that is nearly impossible to reproduce
if we are "on" Heroin!
Males don`t have any sexual desire
and Women "are out of reproduction Mode".
This means our Genetic Material will not spread anymore
and here we are back to the Topic:
This is pure Eugenic!

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by ImSoHappy

Yah because only someone on alot of drugs would believe in something like the new world order lol.

What do yo not believe?
That only a few People decide what you and your Family is doing,
what you eat and what you work tomorrow?
Do you not believe/ think about that there is a society
who masterminded everything from Hunger in Africa,
over the Crash in our economy
(have a look who bought all the Stocks
after the Downturn and look who lost the most!)
until what People have to think?
(Have a look to Murdoch he rule today 75% of all Media in the World)

Maybe you have to look to "Endgame"
it is from Alex Jones and i do not all believe what he said
but if only 30% is true than Sayonara!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&c...-revision&cd=1

It is so fucking complicated,
in a Way i agree with them
but on the other hand we will open the "Bin of Pandora"!

[Routemaster Flash]

No-one living in modern Britain would ever say alcohol and tobacco use is in any way 'encouraged' by the government - what with the already extortionate duty on them, which is increased with every budget, the ban on smoking in bars and clubs, eternal hang-wringing and brouhaha by politicians of every stripe over 'binge-drinking Britain' and adverts all over the place for help to stop smoking, it's clear that the smoker-drinker is about as welcome in today's society as a fart in a spacesuit.

That said, if everyone stopped drinking and smoking overnight the economy would go tits-up (moreso even than it is, I mean) because of the loss of billions of pounds of revenue in one fell swoop.

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Yes, governments are opposing smoking n drinking when it affects their health care system=makes them lose money...