Prison detox=ILLEGAL

[Mr.A]

Ok, what i have realized is, that going to prison or jail and being forced to detox, is illegal as fuck. That is, for prescription meds anyways. Forcing you to kick junk is completely legal.

But for those on MMT, going to prison or jail legally should not force you to detox, because once you are an addict seeking treatment and are in active drug abuse treatment, you become protected under the ADA (american with disabilties act). Because like it or not, you are mentaly disabled. And under the ADA it is ILLEGAL for ANYONE to force you to detox. Which is what they are doing. If they were to make it available if one could pay for it it would be cool.

Because those on MMT have a mental disability and methadone is there medicine for that mental disability.

Would you not give someone in jail that had psychotic episodes there anti psychotic meds?

Would you not give someone with high blood pressure there meds?

Heart condition?

The obvious statement is that those people arent responsible for there condition.

While as addicts we are responsible for getting addicted, we are no longer in control over it. None of us planned on getting addicted but now that we are, there isnt much we can do. Our brain chemistry has changed, and thats just the way it is.

We dont enjoy being addicted, its just something we have to live with.

But the purpose of this post was to bring to light the fact of how blatantly illegal it is.

It plainly states in clear english that it is illegal to force a detox.

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[ex-junkie]

which prisons are denying MMT? they dont do that in australia.

[thebige]

Swim thinks that MMT is alowed but must be brought to the inmate on a day to day basis making it unfeasible for some.
Catch 22

[Dickon]

The situation in the UK has recently got much better. People are encouraged to keep up with MMT in prison, and there is an integrated treatment strategy so people get on scripts when they leave prison too.

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[Junkhead23]

Used to be much worse in UK prison they used to let people withdrw and that was that

[ex-junkie]

shit. thats pretty inhumane. in australia they go at a certain time everyday to a nurses station (or equiv), to pick up their bupe/methadone afaik.

never been to prison though, so she can only comment on what shes heard from people who have.

[tyranny4u]

they give methadone to prisoners in germany - without fucking
bavaria, where tt lives since 2002. i know few guys that had cold turkey
over months. (well, they give methadone to women, hurray...)

[bcubed]

First, this seems as much a "jail" thing as "prison" thing (at least in the US) because you're usually detoxed by the time you start serving prison time.

Well, in Lizard's one and (hopefully) only jail time, this is what happened:

1. Put in holding cells for 24 hrs. No meds, no nothing...only 1/2 of cells had working toilets!
2. Not given psych meds for his 72 hr stay...his cellie was an alcoholic, and he basically shook until he quit. (Lizard believes there was a "detox cell block," but that the treatment was such that you *really* didn't want to go there unless you were very, very ill.) Though you DID get johns and showers after having been processed.

Frankly, I know paying for humane treatment of prisoners is a losing argument, but if [egad!] I were a PO at the jail, I'd at least want the johns fixed, so I could quit worrying about cholera!

[Mr.A]

i dunno about everywhere else, but around here, Missouri, if you get locked up, they definately will not let you continue MMT. Which is fucking stupid cause they should realize when you get out your prob gonna go right back to using, which in turn will lead to a higher crime rate.

But yeah, you get locked up, your gonna withdrawl and thats thats, there not gonna let you continue treatment. I do believe they give some type of meds to help but not what is needed.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Mr.A

Ok, what i have realized is, that going to prison or jail and being forced to detox, is illegal as fuck. That is, for prescription meds anyways. Forcing you to kick junk is completely legal.

Even if you are on an illicit substance like heroin, I think it should be considered cruel and unusual punishment to send someone to prison to undergo excruciating withdrawal in the worst of settings without offering treatment beforehand. Just provide a week in a care facility to facilitate detox and then send them to jail. Throwing people in the slammer and letting them go through the hell of coming off junk with no aid is just inhumane.

[chillinwill]

Red Rock thinks that since prisons and jails are notorious for their hard attitude and gangsta lifestyle in the inside as well as the guards wanting to dominate and take control that that's one factor of why they don't let one get their methadone or have a reasonable detox in jail or prison. The guards look down on junkies as most of society does and the guards want to make sure that SWIY suffers. Hell, even the government probably thinks its a good idea for one to have to detox cold turkey in jail or prison so that that person will "never be addicted or use drugs again". We all know that concept is bullshit and Red Rock can't understand for the life of him why the government doesn't understand that this will make people want to use while in jail or certainly go score when they get out. If they government could help facilitate a proper detox in jail, I think it could go a long way towards reducing the recidivism of addiction and using.

[kaloochi]

There was a case in the UK recently wher 197 prisoners successfully sued the government for being forced to go cold turkey (refused their methadone)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-taxpayer.html
AF was made a silver member today and two edits already - just one more thing to abuse [:

Seriously though. AF remembers the bad old days in UK jails when it was pot luck (pun unintended) if you got any 'help' on reception. AFs experience goes from being given nothing to blagging the doc into giving him pretty much what he asked for, within the bounds of what you can get in jail. Things are more streamlined nowadays and there is help if you want it.
Once, when going into Brixton prison, the doctor, if you want to call him that, became very irate when AF said categorically that he didn't want methadone but wanted a quick reduction on DF 118's instead. It later came to light that the bastard was getting paid by the companies supplying the drug for every prisoner he prescibed.

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by kaloochi

There was a case in the UK recently wher 197 prisoners successfully sued the government for being forced to go cold turkey (refused their methadone)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-taxpayer.html
AF was made a silver member today and two edits already - just one more thing to abuse [:

Seriously though. AF remembers the bad old days in UK jails when it was pot luck (pun unintended) if you got any 'help' on reception. AFs experience goes from being given nothing to blagging the doc into giving him pretty much what he asked for, within the bounds of what you can get in jail. Things are more streamlined nowadays and there is help if you want it.
Once, when going into Brixton prison, the doctor, if you want to call him that, became very irate when AF said categorically that he didn't want methadone but wanted a quick reduction on DF 118's instead. It later came to light that the bastard was getting paid by the companies supplying the drug for every prisoner he prescibed.

Pacman remembers that case and people were going mental because the inmates managed to get some compensation for being forced to detox in prison.

Pacman thinks that it is cruel to not allow people to detox in a humane wa. Prison is hard enough without cold turkey

[Mr.A]

i like how i never get reputaion given to me. This is a three star subject on the forum mainpage and yet...

all the rep i get is always for negative reasons.

Mr.A added 3 Minutes and 52 Seconds later...

Even if you are on an illicit substance like heroin, I think it should be considered cruel and unusual punishment to send someone to prison to undergo excruciating withdrawal in the worst of settings without offering treatment beforehand. Just provide a week in a care facility to facilitate detox and then send them to jail. Throwing people in the slammer and letting them go through the hell of coming off junk with no aid is just inhumane.

Inhumane yes, illegal no, the whole point of the thread was to bring to light the fact that its illegal. Once you admit your an addict and are actively in treatment, you are a protected under the ADA. Just being addicted to heroin doesnt give you the same rights.

[chillinwill]

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