Drug info - Are these Salvia Extracts?

[Kain De Lioncourt]

Hello People,

My aunt's boy friend's son's grandfather bought some salvia extracts off the net. (Really would like to tell the site but since you guys don't allow advertising I can't) Old man smoked half gram with bucket (kind of a bong) but nothing happened to him. Not even a single hallucination. Then he thought he should roll it with paper. He did so and rolled a joint and smoked it, and nothing happened again. Is it the lighter he is using or the salvia? (it was x6 strawberry flavoured extract by the way) Has he been ripped off?

Here are the pictures, so you may tell me, if he has been ripped.

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They look so much like someone chopped dried leaves of salvia and sent it to him. I don't think they are extracts.

And here is the lighter he used:

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So I am asking again friends: Is it the lighter he uses or the so called extracts?

Kind Regards
Kain

[Potter]

There is no way to tell from that picture unless somebody recognizes the packaging.

[helikophis]

Yes, that is a Salvia extract, or at least, it is sold in the same package as a known extract. Extracts of this plant are frequently sold added back onto leaves of the plant, and so do not look like essential oils or resins, as is the case with some other plant extracts.

Why didn't it work then? It is very likely that your distant relative did not use the correct technique, or the setting wasn't right. Or possibly it simply wasn't the right time. There are many variables involved in smoking Salvia divinorum. Neither bongs or joints are generally effective ways of smoking it. Bongs can work, but it is different than smoking cannabis from a bong. Smoking this plant is not like smoking tobacco or like cannabis. The technique is quite different. In order to achieve breakthrough effects, one needs to get a sufficient dose in the first two hits. Because of the extremely fast buildup of tolerance, any more smoked after that will have essentially no effect.

For this reason, the first hit should be very large, as large as possible. Much larger than a standard hit of cannabis. One must attempt to completely fill the lungs, and hold the smoke in for as long as possible, and then a little longer. Then repeat with the second hit. If this is done correctly, it should be difficult or impossible to take a third hit. Simply puffing and exhaling as one does with cannabis generally will not work. There is little point in smoking any more than three to five inhales at one time. If smoked correctly, it will only take maybe 50-100mg to achieve breakthrough (this is just an approximation). Make sure that the smoking technique is correct, or the herb will just be wasted.

Some time later (perhaps a half hour to an hour, nobody isn't sure of the exact timing), provided one does not continue to smoke the Sage, tolerance will go back down, and it should be possible to achieve a breakthrough again. Although why someone would want to do it repeatedly is beyond me.

Generally, it is recommended to use an ordinary cannabis smoking pipe, not a bong, with the hottest lighter available. A plain Bic lighter does work for some people, but others report better results from a butane lighter, the kind that burn with a blue flame. This is sometimes called a "crack lighter." As stated above, the technique is to take the largest hit possible, holding the smoke for as long as possible, repeated until it becomes impossible.

The setting is also very important. Although Salvia effects can be very intense, they are at the same time subtle, and easy to interrupt. Bright lights, people talking, music, or other distractions, can all spoil the effects. Some report that the best effects are achieved in a dark, quiet space, with no music, lights, or loud noises from outside.

Employing a sitter is preferable, because the pipe and lighter may be dropped, possibly causing a fire hazard, and because sometimes the person under the influence may attempt to get up, run away, and move around, apparently conscious, but actually unaware of and not in control of his or her actions.

Finally, the diviner's sage should be approached with respect, maturity, reverence, and good purpose. The salvia experience tends to be very hard to re-integrate with reality. It isn't a "chilling" drug. It isn't for fun, or for parties. It has very particular uses, and quite specific effects. Anxiety and confusion are part of those effects. If those aren't aren't what someone is looking looking for, he should find a different drug.

The reason it is called "Salvia divinorum," the "diviner's sage," is that it is most effectively employed as a tool for divination. People tend to get the most out of it when there is some specific question or idea that they are trying to explore. Unprepared users are sometimes forcefully ejected from the realm of the sage, have terrifying experiences, or are unable to remember the experience. Or, simply, nothing happens.

Note that sometimes, even for experienced users, the breakthrough doesn't happen. It just doesn't work. Some would suggest that this situation means that the preparations weren't correct, the timing wasn't right, or it was just not meant to be. Salvia divinorum is not like mushrooms, or cannabis, or most other drugs. It is not reliable. This doesn't mean that one has been ripped off. It's just complicated.

Hope this helps. As always, your milage may vary.

[cantus]

Originally Posted by helikophis

In order to achieve breakthrough effects, one needs to get a sufficient dose in the first two hits. Because of the extremely fast buildup of tolerance, any more smoked after that will have essentially no effect.

Tolerance? Salvia Divinorum is notorious for have a *reverse* tolerance effect - the complete opposite of what you've described here. The vast, vast majority report that the more often you indulge, the less you'll need - quite the opposite of most other drugs.

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by cantus

Tolerance? Salvia Divinorum is notorious for have a *reverse* tolerance effect - the complete opposite of what you've described here. The vast, vast majority report that the more often you indulge, the less you'll need - quite the opposite of most other drugs.

The "reverse tolerance" effect is something that happens over time - it doesn't mean that you can smoke insufficient dose insufficient for breakthrough, and then a few minutes smoke another insufficient dose, and achieve breakthrough.

Or maybe it does, I dunno, perhaps that happens. It's a mysterious substance.

[chaosx]

evil has heard using a pipe is best, something to do with the the tempurature at which the active chemicals turn to gas, if they cool to much swiy won't get them. this may be bullshit evil doesn't know.

the first time evil smoked an extract he didn't think he got anything. until he stood up and crossed the room in one step. very strange. it was very subtle. now that evil has done it multiple times, he know instantly.

evil would sugest trying a small pipe. maybe a stronger extract, although try the pipe first, salvia is no joke, and it is better to start light

[Benga]

there are plenty of threads covering effective ways to smoke salvia divinorum.
flame temperature is important, and a bong type water pipe is recommended.
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