Effects - New member- Why is everyone doggin on Piperazines?

[rhcpeppers1234]

What up all, Just joined the site.

Swim was wondering why most people on the forums think piperazines are no good? Swim understands that some people can have bad times on certain drugs but does not think they should be telling people to completely stay away from them.

Swim has taken BZP TFMPP PFPP many times and everytime he has had a good time. Swim prefers the real deal a lot more of course but can no longer get any good buzz from it. People forget that X loses its magic for some people. Even if swim takes 3-4 pills there is no peak, and usually just results in a nasty nasty comedown and hangover/depression for days afterwards. Swim didnt used to feel like this when taking the real stuff but is reluctant to try and find any other good pills because swim has tested and knows that the ones he used to get were almost 100% pure. (some had some speed/meth in um, but not a lot.)

If anyone is interested in trying Pipes swim recommends they try PfPP. BZP and TFMPP together are good too, but swim thinks that they lack the trippy edge that swim used to get with the real thing. Swim recommends Cherries and Loved up pills to anyone lookin to have a good time with the "presently" legal high pills you can get online.

[Tony Williams]

If SWIM was with friends at a house for shed load of hours then he'd try some pipes and music, maybe this will happen in the future someday. At a club enviroment SWIM wouldn't use it, SWIM would rather Mephedrone as the comedown is waaay smoother with a better high and shorter duration and you can sleep after but pipes are good for music.

SWIM isn't a big fan of pipes but they are good now and again.

[rhcpeppers1234]

swim wishes he could get mephedrone.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM actually agrees that she feels piperazines are under-rated. True, they don't have mephedrone's hedonistic rush or horniness; but she finds them actually better for music appreciation and duration of peak. BZP gives SWIM a lovely sense of nostalgia and instrospection and she agrees that PFPP offers a wonderful recreational trippiness without any head fuck.

[rhcpeppers1234]

Swim got a crazy mind fuck with pfpp and tfmpp. Musta been the tfmpp. Swim has not used pfpp on its own because swim got it in a pill form. And swim cant find any place to get the pure powder form. Oh well, its still a fun ride!

[actarus]

swim believes piperazines have a bad reputation mosly cause they are sold as X to people who actually want X and therefore dont get the desired effetcs.
By the way, swim fuckin hates piperazines. They gives swim a dirty often unpleasant feeling and are not fun at all.

[riscphree]

swim believes piperazines have a bad reputation mosly cause they are sold as X to people who actually want X and therefore dont get the desired effetcs.

I think this is one major reason. Too many times it's been sold as ecstasy and people have dosed thinking so. Doses for each chemical are different; people tend to take ecstasy dose ranges of piperazines. Which then leads (usually) to an OD and hospital visit. Thus giving both chemicals a bad name.