Health - mephedrone is not a toy: Heart problems

[Potassium Kid]

No self incrimination here! A Monkey gained access to my computer and typed all sorts of things about herself!

"I have taken 2 grams over a 2 day span and my heart hurts, i get one second pains, i cannot sleep cause swim has no gbl which he just ran out of.to knock me out...liquor helps but very little, ,all it does is prolong my inevitable fate for a few minutes which most likely will be my death sarcastically and at the sametime seriously speaking..this stuff is extrmely dangerous..for the first 1 gram i was doing 250 m every 4 hours and it was enjoyable even though the euphoria doesnt last long but then on the second gram in 250mg rounds it lost it's magic..this stuff is worse for yur heart that cocaine..gbl would had solved my problem and gotten me out of this mess if i had any..i have never come acroos a substance that really fucks with yur heart like mephedrone does ! i dont know how many more days i can go on like this..is the 3 rd day and its morning, the last 2 days i was doing 1 gram a day..i cant sleep and my only sleep options are liquor, no good ! liquor helps when yur on coke and yu want to crash but liquor does shit to help you when on meph..methylone and mdma never did this too me..it was more gentle"

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Don't incriminate yourself even if it's legal for you.
	Please do not make unsubstantiated claims abnout the safety or lack thereof of a substance

[lineartransform]

Watch the self-incrimination.

That being said, SWIY should focus on a few things:

1. Proper hydration.
2. Proper nutrition.
3. Proper sleep.

You can't change the past, you already shoveled all that shit into your body. All you can do now is aid the recovery. Don't drink (if anything it makes mephedrone comedowns WORSE), take a light benzo if you really really need it.

Suffice to say, DON'T TAKE ANY MORE FOR A WHILE. I mean, come on. I know it's hard if you have a 25 gram package or something but use your head.

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Totally valid correct information, malnutrition insomnia and dehydration are so often the cause of most side effects

[Potassium Kid]

swim will not do this amount again, i shouldve read more, swim knows for a fact though that gbl would aid in the recovery but swim ws not prepared..when swim dont feel one second pains he can feel a vibrating feeling in the heart and then every 10 minutes ine second pains..swim managed to fall asleep and heart rate decreased but the vivration wa still therefor how long he dont remeber, when swim wakes up the heart rate was fast again..

swom now knows that this rc should be used by doing no more than 500mg a week..

[lineartransform]

Honestly, I think a lot of SWIYs problems are anxiety related, and not reflective of genuine physical harm. SWIM has found that the days after mephedrone tend to be a bit more "blah", and it is easier to fall into negative thought loops.

The fact that you're having difficulty sleeping seems to indicate this - SWIM has never, ever experienced insomnia from mephedrone even with usage over multiple days. Drink water, eat healthy food, and smoke a tiny bowl and watch some movies in bed or something - SWIM has found that a good sleep is the cure for any ail mephedrone brings to you.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by lineartransform

That being said, SWIY should focus on a few things:

1. Proper hydration.
2. Proper nutrition.
3. Proper sleep.

This is the key here; eat a huge meal and you'll be amazed at how much better you will feel. Sleep and water are also other vital things to take into account. Most side effects are due to anxiety, swim had a BPM of >100 for about three days before due to stimulant induced anxiety.

[Potassium Kid]

blood pressure machine readings 1 hour ago
117/85 heart rate 123

blood pressure machine now
107/84 pulse rate 105

[lineartransform]

Your blood pressure is totally, completely normal.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medi...d-pressure.htm

Your heart rate is high - SWIM suspects this is due to anxiety while being tested. Do you have the ability to measure your heart rate over a long period of time?

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Very helpful link and explanaitons in this thread. You are a clear-headed voice of reason in this otherwise confused ind...

[Potassium Kid]

Swim is back to normal now, it took 4 days..First 2 days were heart discomforts and one second pains every hour, and then the last 2 days maybe like about 5 times in the whole day especially when being active..Swim prefers methylone over mephedrone, more safer, and more euphoric and doesnt mess with the heart..

swim has a portable hem monitor to monitor blod pressure -

thanks for the blood pressure chart..Would you also happen to have a link for a pulse rate chart ?

[Cuberun]

Mephedrone definitely causes a lot of tachyardia in comparison to methylone. Binging on 2 grams is therefor a terrible idea especially if you're out of shape and don't have downers (benzos.. not GBL....)

1 gram, in a day, in a month. this is the maximum dosage and timeframe swim would deal with when it comes to meph or m1.

[Potassium Kid]

Yes methylone is so more gentler and it has been around for a while now so it has proven to be a safe drug unlike the newer mephedrone...

swim wants to experiment with some 4-FA and wants to know if that messes with the heart also ?

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Potassium Kid

Yes methylone is so more gentler and it has been around for a while now so it has proven to be a safe drug unlike the newer mephedrone...

swim wants to experiment with some 4-FA and wants to know if that messes with the heart also ?

What happened to methylone anyway? Is it still available? The UK merchants providing Mephedrone don't seem to have it in stock anymore.

SWIM doesn't like ordering from the US tho, as i'm from a small country in the EU, with horribly restrictive customs, which open almost every single package, and upon seeing a powder send a very scary note, demanding for you to explain what you are importing. Happened to SWIM once, when he ordered AMT from a US web store.


Anyway, from what SWIM heard me read here and elsewhere, SWIM think methylone would be interesting to try. If only someone had it in stock. And no, i'm not asking for sources, i know that i'm not supposed to. I'm just gonna keep looking for SWIM.


SWIM only tried Mephedrone twice so far. He ordered it from the UK, it arrived quickly and he simply had to test it on the very same day.

Interestingly, he felt as if he was slightly poisoned. He is a big guy, 2m tall 100kg, usually needs higher doses than most people, with almost everything.

On the first attempt SWIM managed to stop the consumption at 700mg and tried to go to bed. No joy, not even GHB helped him sleep. He did have benzos, but didn't want to take them. He wasn't even tired. Instead he used some N2O on top of Mephedrone, to see if it has any psychedelic properties. If even the slightest psychedelic properties are present, N2O brings them out with pretty much everything.

it was interesting, but not as much as combining N20 with MDMA or shroomz.



Last night SWIM decided to try again, but a small dose and only once. Yea right.

It ended with SWIM staying up all night, taking more and more, and consuming everything he had left. He didn't even manage to leave anything for the weekend!

SWIM wouldn't call mephedrone insanelly addictive. Real addictions are something else. But it does make you want to take more, just to make the effects more powerful and longer lasting.

SWIM found that with mephedrone (possibly in combination with GHB) it is as easy for him to completelly give himself to the music, as with MDMA. Maybe even more so! And SWIM only used pure MDMA powder latelly.

But SWIM would still prefer MDMA to mephedrone, because he knows it well, it is well researched, and everyone who bothers reading a little can find out all important the info about it for themselves. The risks are well known, and reasonably low.


Here we have absolutelly no clue, what mephedrone is doing to us in the long run. We are volunteering as human guinnea pigs. It will take 30 years of regular mephedrone consumption by party goers, before we will know as much about it and the risks, as we do about MDMA.

It could very well be harmless, but we simply don't know anything about the risks at this point.


But like i said, SWIM reported a slightly toxic feeling during the first attempt, and 24 hours after the last dose of the first session (700mg total dose), SWIM felt some rather nasty side effects.


One side effect was that while watching a movie, he felt a scene of the movie on his forhead, as if a sword would slice his forhead open from side to side. This bizzare feeling lasted less than a second and dissapeared.

But a little later, while reading errowid experience reports, SWIM noticed that the letters were fluctuating. Almost jumping up and down on the screen. But only in the errowid experience vault, where the text is on a black background.

Just like with the sliced forhead feeling this lasted only a split second and didn't repeat itself too often.


But the simple fact that SWIM felt these things over 24 hours after the last dose made him a little worried.



At this moment the effects of the last dose from the second session are still in action, and while the experience seemed more gentle, than the first one, even with a higher dose (1300mg total - what was left of 2g), SWIM can't really say how he will feel in 24 hours, until he gets there. I hope that those strange effects don't repeat themselves.

SWIM wouldn't know what to think, if they did...

[holdout]

SWIM has said it many times before and they're telling me to say it again...

it is the duty and responsibility of any recreational drug user, who takes substances which induce tachycardia, to also take 1,000 IU of Vitamin D, and 60mg of Co-enzyme Q10, on a daily basis.

SWIM guarantees an end to all pains, murmers, and palpitations. SWIM has had the privilege of abusing stimulants mega-hardcore because of this and feels his heart is like that of a brute stallion. SWIM used to have palpitations years ago even before abusing drugs, but not ever again after the vitamin D/coQ10 regimen. There is a REASON why the world health organization invested millions of dollars into vitamin D research for heart health just last year.

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Excellent advice on necessary supplementation.

[Cuberun]

Swim recently used mephedrone. had no significant heartrate increase.
He remembers when he was not in good conditioning shapes a couple of years ago when mephedrone first hit market.. it caused tachyardia but now when his resting heartrate is at an athletic level the side effects aren't so bad..

if swiy has to go use mephedrone, don't do it if swiy is not in good physical health.
this is gonna sound strange but, to use mephedrone, swiy should have to earn the right by putting 20-60 minutes of good cardio workout in at least 4-5 days a week! trust swim, swiy will feel better both on and off mephedrone..

(good cardio is when swiy has his heartrate in the target heartrate zone, google it for charts).

[DeeZee]

When SWIM initially considered purchasing Mephedrone, he was a little worried about the possibility of the nasty side effects, but did not believe the part about it being addictive. For testing, SWIM ordered 2g.


As i mentioned before, SWIM's first Mephedrone experience was a pleasant one, he started with a very low dose, to get a feeling for it, then gradually increased, to experience the full effects. In the course of an afternoon and evening (till 2 in the morning), he consumed a total of 700mg, and then decided he should stop and go to sleep. Since SWIM is a big guy (2m and 100kg), he always needs more than his friends, to reach the same effects, so 700mg spread over many hours was not a bizzare dose for him.

He felt like he redosed, to reach the full effects and to prolong the experience. But after the experience had the duration of a good MDMA trip, he stopped, and didn't feel the need for more. That made SWIM think, that the redosing-wish is only the result of the wish to prolong the experience to a decent duration, and that there is nothing for SWIM to worry about.


But only two days later, he wanted to spice up an evening with a single dose. Only one capsule. But then there was another and another, ending at around three in the afternoon on the next day! And it probably would not have ended just then, if SWIM didn't run out of the stuff! At that point, he consumed 1.3g over 16 hours - all that was left.


Unfortunatelly, he was also ordering a larger quantity that very day, for himself and another friend. The decision to order was based on the pleasant first experience, and it was done under the influence of the second experience, when everything was beautiful and great, no room for worries in SWIM's mind...


Afterwards, SWIM told me, he became worried about the larger purchase.
While he didn't believe into the addictive properties before or after the first experience, the fact that he consumed so much during the second one, and only stopped at 1.3g cos he ran out, suddenly made him scared, considering the much larger quantity he just ordered.


It seems the effects of the Mephedrone itself make it easier to decide to redose and continue redosing. It seems like a good idea at that time.
Not only that, it can make you wish for it at any given time..


SWIM's MDMA experiences (with pills or pure MDMA) were always extremelly positive, and he never even once had the need or wish to use it in the middle of a week or binge on it, or anything like that. It was always restricted to party or "special ocassion" use only, SWIM would redose during a party, to prolong the effects if needed, but once he got back home, he went to sleep, and never felt the need to use more, until the next time he went out. At it's peak, this was once a month, rarelly twice, often spaced appart even more, currently only a couple of times per year....


SWIM was told that this was similar to MDMA, but that you need to redose to make it last as long. But he never imagined that it would make him want to use it on non-"special occasions".

But now, SWIM is not so sure anymore. What makes things worse is, that we know there are negative effects associated with prolonged or high quantity use, not to mention the unknown risks.. SWIM knew this before he ordered the first test quantity, but now SWIM tells me he is genuinly worried about it, with the "unlimited" availability and all.


Party use can be limited by only bringing the predetermined amount to be used that night. But the problem is, this thing makes him want to use outside Party (or other special occasion) environment...


After SWIM told me this i became worried for him as well... He will need to set a specific limit to the use, and if he can't stick to it, it's better for him never to order again! This is especially important with the risk of known and unknown negative effects from prolonged/high quantity use...

Up until now, the only thing that made SWIM want to use often or all the time were opiates. Other so called addictive substances never caused similar problems for SWIM. SWIM thought, how could something like this possibly do the same.

But now.... This thing is weird!



Anyway, i think that one of the problems is, that upon redosing you can always get the full (or at least close to full-) effects back. At least in the limited experience SWIM has. If the effects of subsequent doses were much less profound, as is the case with MDMA, maybe the wish to redose would be smaller. But this is just guesswork.


SWIM tells me, that if he had a choice, he would much rather have pure MDMA powder again. With that he never had any kind of problems, it would remain in it's special hiding place for months or a year before he would even think of it.


But this thing is freaky. SWIM says he still wouldn't call it "addictive" in the correct sense of the word, but damn.. It is definitelly strange. SWIM tells me, he never expected any such substance to have such effects.

Like i mentioned before, the worst part of it are the potentially dangerous side effects and as of yet completelly unknown risks. Even without that addictions are not a fun thing to have. But with something that can be severelly damaging to the body, it's a different thing entirelly.


It is quite likelly, that mephedrone might be reasonably safe, if used in moderation and not too often, but somehow it's own effects make you want more and more. It's really weird. When it comes to this, it's almost in a class of it's own. SWIM tried many different things, but never once experienced anything quite like it.

DeeZee added 167 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

On a side note, SWIM just told me, that the very pleasant, almost MDMA-like effects of mephedrone, he experienced before, actually came from a combination of meph + GHB. That mephedrone doesn't do much to him, by itself...

I was a little surprised, as i thought mephedrone alone would be more active, than this..

According to SWIM, mephedrone will not be enough to replace MDMA for him. Not that he ever expected it to, but the previous two experiences came pretty close. Both were combinations tho.

SWIM stopped taking GHB for a while a few days earlier, and tried mephedrone alone, when he recieved more of it, but was surprised by the lack of expected effects.


Maybe that is a good thing, as it makes SWIM less likelly to use too much / too often, but still. If i didn't know any better, i could almost say, that SWIM is a little dissapointed...

[Cuberun]

Swim can't comment on addiction. He knows it is super fiendish however. If he gets 1g, then 1g will be gone that night. Chances are he wont be spending on another gram for a couple of months so, swim supposes in that sense it's not addictive to HIM. it may be damn addicitive to some people however.

[holdout]

SWIM would like to note that mental addictions can be almost as difficult to overcome as physical addictions.

On another note: let it be known that many abusers of cocaine have in the past reported that mephedrone shares some qualities of the effects of cocaine, and cocaine is known to cause physical addiction, while mephedrone remains a reasearch chemical.

SWIM can point out the following "over-the-edge" pushers of mephedrone addiction:
- the thought of consuming mephedrone is irresistably tempting after a stressful day at work.
- reading other people talking about the positive effects makes SWIM irresistably tempted to do some again.
- thinking about mephedrone and its effects or music appreciation once again tempts SWIM irresistably.

MENTAL
SWIM feels confident that if the thought or concept of consuming mephedrone does not come to mind, then SWIM can easily not think twice about it let alone take it. this alludes to a purely mental addiction, however, it does not rule out the possibility of a subtle or, more likely, a conditional, physical addiction.

PHYSICAL
point to consider: people have varying genotypes and various active/inactive genes of their DNA, whereby certain addiction-related genes active in some people could be making them the ones who fall for the trap of binging on their mephedrone stash, non-stop until it has been finished. SWIM has never done this and has not ever exceeded more than 2 dosings a night. yet people that have binged and finished off a stash, seem to do this again and again. this alludes to a physical addiction.