LSA: Morning Glories ROCK!!!

[GoaM]

Man. A friend of mine sent me some morning glory seeds. I crushed and ate 17gramslast night.First few hours were nausea and sedation. Should've taken a dramamine first. Well anyway, the shit hit HARD after a few hours. Fuck man. I'm talking colors, fractals, hardcore patterning. This stuff is great. I LOVE LSA. IT's great stuff. and the colors are very beautiful.

[Mezza]

Awesome. 17g is a large dose - how did you eat them? When you do have *the* LSA trip, its a very good one indeed!

[panchovilla]

little fluffy cloudsEdited

[GoaM]

I ground the seeds up and washed the powder down with soda. It didn't taste bad at all, but I did get nausea and some stomach cramping for a couple of hours.UGggh. Next time I'll take a dramamine a couple hours in advance and maybe try an extraction. Or a smaller dose maybe. :P But once the nausea went away it was MAD fun!


Peace,

[panchovilla]

am I really that retarded?

[antigenesis]

<a name="chem">CHEMICAL HYPOTHESIS AND ALTERNATIVE PREPARATIONS</a>

Q. I tried morning glory seeds and only got a headache and blurred vision.

Q. I tried morning glory seeds and got sick to my stomach

Q. What do you know about this anyway?</font>




A.My personal experience with
morning glory seeds began in June of 1958, the day I graduated from
eighth grade. Herb Caen had written something to the effect that "If
you eat 100 morning glory seeds, you will go to morning glory heaven.
Heavenly Blues, Pearly Gates, and Flying Saucers will do the trick.." A
friend of mine had read this and invited a bunch of people to her house
to try it out. I was the only person who managed to eat a full hundred,
but probably didn't chew them enough and had only mild effects. Since
then I have tried many ways of preparing them, and this is far and away
the best. There are a number of approaches that are downright horrible.</font>




Based on my experiences I believe the
following to be true (though am wide-open to getting
"scientific"/factual refutation/corroboration. In addition to the
lysergic amides present in the seeds, there are two chemicals or
chemical complexes which are toxic. One of these, relatively mild, is
associated with nausea and is contained in the seed pulp. This is
soluble in water and will form long 'strands' in it which are clearly
visible. This material can be processed into a kind of 'soap' which
lathers somewhat. It is not soluble in alcohol nor petroleum ether.
This is evidenced by soaking the spent powder in water.</font>




A second chemical or complex is much more
malicious. Ingesting it results in headache, blurred and 'fish-eye'
vision, and it also seems to counteract the psychedelic effect. For
lack of a better term with the expectation that it is chemically
non-descriptive, we will call this the 'strychnine effect' and the
associated compound(s) the 'strychnine factor'. This factor is
contained in the seed husk and is miscible with petroleum ether but
only slightly soluable in water. If you chew the seeds you break the
husk but do not usually chew it well enough to digest. Same thing if
you pulverize the seeds with a hammer or similiar instrument before
eating or swallowing. In both cases, the 'strychnine effect' is not
observed except as background. However the high is not as lucid and
bright as when the factor is removed. On the other hand, if you grind
the seeds into powder and do not remove the 'styrchnine factor' with
petroleum ether (or other solvent(?)) but ingest the powder itself, you
will experience the 'strychnine effect' in great and unpleasant
intensity. If you put the powder in water, filter the water, and drink
it (effectively the traditional method for indigenous peoples), the
nausea factor will be pronounced, but the 'strychnine effect' will be
weak.</font>




The only approach that effectively
eliminates both side-effects is the one described above. The additional
benefits provided by this method beyond the immediate high effect will
be discussed in Part 2.0.0 of this FAQ.

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That's straight from Erowid.

</font> http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning...ning_glory_faq .shtml</font> - complete document

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[Alquimista]

SWIM made a cold water extraction from 530 finely crushed seeds. SWIM puked like no tomorrow after the first hour. SWIM had THE craziest night of his life. Talk about playing god it was way too hardcore.. but maybe SWIM will go down that road one day again... not that high dose though.

[Zandorf]

we've all read that old extraction tech so a few questions.



he recomends soaking the alcohol for days on end, is this like QT's DMT extraction where it really takes much less time?



will any non-polar solvent work or is pet ether absolutely necessary?

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[sterling77]

Is the LSA trip much different from an LSD trip? Just wondering because they are so closely related. I haven't heard anything about it being any different really- it lasts long, visuals, etc.

Need to try the morning glories sometime soon...

[600538411]

I will say soz in advance for this one, SWIM is more of a phenethylamine chemist than a trippa but had a question regarding "Morning glory" or "Baby Hawaian Rosewood" seeds and extraction. Has anyone tried the "Anarchists Cookbook" method of extraction using the ether soak followed by the wood alcohol soak? (extract follows

1.Grind up 150 grams of Morning Glory seeds or baby Hawaiian wood rose seeds.
2.In 130 cc. of petroleum ether, soak the seeds for two days.
3.Filter the solution through a tight screen.
4.Throw away the liquid, and allow the seed mush to dry.
5.For two days allow the mush to soak in 110 cc. of wood alcohol.
6.Filter the solution again, saving the liquid and labeling it "1."
7.Resoak the mush in 110 cc. of wood alcohol for two days.
8.Filter and throw away the mush.
9.Add the liquid from the second soak to the solution labeled "1."
10.Pour the liquid into a cookie tray and allow it to evaporate.
11.When all of the liquid has evaporated, a yellow gum remains.

This method any good ya think?

[Mezza]

You can try it. From SWIM's own experiences, you're better off with a standard water extraction. He thinks that the nausea producing compounds in MG seeds have more to do with the actives than any sort of malicious chemical. Also, the LSA seems to vary widely from experience reports. This seems to point to factors in the plants maturation process influencing the concentration levels of the various compounds within the seeds. SWIM thinks that research is best pointed toward discovering exactly what causes a specatcular 'LSD-like' trip from an LSA containing batch of seeds, rather than extraction methods. After all, if you have a bunch of seeds that produce a nauseating ride with little psychedelia, what are you going to end up with after all that work?


Fortunately, SWIM has been very lucky and has experienced a few quintessential MG seed experiences. But also some lousy ones. Methods of preparation and amount taken were identical - leading him to concliude that, again, its a variance in chemical concentration with in seeds.


What influences this concentration of active compounds...that's the key.


Mezza

[600538411]

Dude, much respect, no bullshit, hear you loud an clear... SWIM thinks if they are going to take this journey that they may aswell just drop the seeds irrrespective... Peace out!Edited by: 600538411

[allyourbase]

do NOT expose lysergides to alcohols. thats all I can say. if you do so you will be left with Isolysergides which are not active in human beings but are valuable precursors.


clarification: the 8 position on the lattice is susceptable to epimerizationEdited by: allyourbase

[600538411]

Yeah swim was reading into this topic (they were a bit n00bish in this area which feels wierd 4 a a change)

SWIM was reading all about LSD-25 and the red/yellow/white lights and the like... Sounds very bloody sensitive!!

[oldman]

first I would not compare a LSA extraction to LSD-25. Totally different to me. LSA is good but to me wasn't nearly as intense visually. I would notice things out of the corner of my eyes but not straight , head on visuals tha overwhelmed you like LSD.


second allyyourbase, you say not to expose LSA to alcohols. I've done the pet-ether, everclear extraction and gotsimilar results as I did with straight ingestion (without nausea). As I said above the effects were not as intense as some others have mentioned but I have seeen this method in alot of other forums.


I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think you must not be completely right because I have felt the effects. The dose for distilled and undistilled were btween 400 - 500 seeds. Could someone else comment on this. I'm also intersted i anyone that has done the olive oil tincure method with success, as I am somewhat reluctant and cautious as to the stuff I apply to my or my wife's genitals.

[oldman]

in fact if I might add, shulgin makes it a pointof bringing to the attention that ergots and ergonovines are know to cause dmamge to the uterus. Females trying the tincture topical application method may want to consider this before trying that or any method. Swim's wife ain't into mgs so he needn't worry but others may.

[BigFatFart]

I heard the method of extraction is grinding them in a coffee grinder then
putting them in water and pouring the water into another cup with a
clothe over it, repeating the process until a soapy solution is formed.
That worked for me anyway, great OEV's i might add.

[Grautr]

Originally Posted by sterling100

Is the LSA trip much different from an LSD trip? Just wondering because they are so closely related. I haven't heard anything about it being any different really- it lasts long, visuals, etc.

Need to try the morning glories sometime soon...

the experience is not as intense but is very colourful. I have grown my own morning glory seeds this year. They are waiting for the off.

[oldman]

I'm interested in hearing others report on the pet ether, ethanol(everclear) method and results they've acheived. swims only done tis method once and it was the least nauseating. the effects were mild but really every experience with lsa's have been mild for him. he typically uses 400-500 seeds. he grinds em, soaks them in pet ether for and hour or two, dries them then, soaked them in everclear for 3-4 days,filtered powderand drank the ethanol tincture.

[LightTheShade]

is there a way you can tell if morning glory seeds have been treted with
pesticides? And if they have, are the pesticides very poisonous?

[oldman]

about the only way to tell is to know if theytell you they are organic untreated MG'S. Otherwise if they've been packaged in the US the're probably tainted. Canada I don't kow. Check ebay or google utreated Morning glories you'll find'em. Swim had no trouble finding sources for them. Somesay if you do get treated ones, that soaking them in dish soap and water for a day will fix them but I do not know this for a fact and would recommend just going to the trouble of seeking untreated ones.

[lucas]

in mexico, the shamanes take the seeds and put them into cool water, then
they just crush them and drink the water.
is that way because lsa turns bad with high temperture, if lsa is expose into
high temperture disapere, and ramains only ergot, who give some bad feel,
in women is dangerus because ergot make the utero expanding.

The compose we want are disoluble in cool water, i thik it can help.

[oldman]

lucas, have herd the same thing about high temps, as well as UV light. same thing with the uterous and ergots.


question: Is the ergot where the lsa is derived from? Or is a distillation to rid the ergonovines and what not?


I've herd conflicting stories on H2O notbeing an ideal solvent for ridding MG'sof the nasties. Personally swim uses ethanol (everclear) after the pet ether evaporates from the powder (see above). Thereare conflicting theories about this as well (above). but swim has done it this way and will attest that it was active. whether its not as active he can't say he's really only done lsa's about 3,4 times. would like to here some feed back from some more experienced chemy's.

[lucas]

oldman, the lsa is derived from ergot, is it a fact, in labs, you can take it off completly, bun in nature, you only can take it how the mg give it to you. It is like the cornezuelo of centeno, a kind of fungi wich grow up in corns. This "mushroom", contains ergot, and so much people die eting this corn, because it work like poison, but, if you want to take the active principal quimichal, you only have to wash it with water, and drink it.


And about the experience, you have to do it, if you realy want to know, others experiences can guide you, or lost you in what are you looking for.

[Alfa]

No, the mushrooms is ergot, aka claviceps purperea.But this topic is not on ergot. For the ergot topic, use the search engine.