Combinations - DXM, mushrooms, mescaline, cannabis combo?

[wann]

I was thinking and this could probably be done without any physical danger, right?



Of those substances I have taken everything except for mescaline. I
have combined DXM and weed, and mushrooms and weed, that all went
lovely.



Neither of the substances should give any trouble when combined, I
think, so this should be possible and it should have me tripping very
heavily (depending on dose of course), am I right?



Thanks for any thoughts/warnings/info/whatever anyone could give me in
reference to this combination (or either of the combinations apart).

[Unsolved]

I think you should be okay as long as your not mixing uppers with downers which can be really bad. Weed you can pretty much do with anything, mushrooms and dxm a couple of my friends have done before and they seem to combine okay. No real probelems. They called the trip a more mellow trip cause of the DXM.

[nanobrain]

wann, so you reckon mixing a shitty dissociative, 2 different classes of powerful psychedelics (one of which you have not done before) and cannabinoids should be cool?

i think you just might end up "tripping very heavily" all the way to the hospital.

why in the world would you want to mix Mescaline, which you have never done, with anything else?

[wann]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

wann, so you reckon mixing a shitty dissociative, 2
different classes of powerful psychedelics (one of which you have not
done before) and cannabinoids should be cool?



i think you just might end up "tripping very heavily" all the way to the hospital.



why in the world would you want to mix Mescaline, which you have never done, with anything else?

Well, I won't go in on the shittyness of DXM. I reckon it should be
cool, if there's no physical danger (which is why I'm asking about it
here).



So, on the topic of physical danger, you say I might end up in the
hospital. So apparently there might be a danger of some sort? What
would the problem be, what combination would cause problems?



As for mescaline and mushrooms, all information I have says they can be mixed together with no problems, as well as with weed.



Some information says they would not clash with DXM, but that's the part where I'm not sure enough, so again, I ask here.



So what could have me going to the hospital when I take a normal dose
of DXM, a normal dose of mushrooms and a normal dose mescaline and then
smoke some weed on it?



There's no special reason why I'd want to mix the mescaline with this
stuff, and it's obviously not the wisest thing to mix a powerful drug
that you have never done before with other powerful drugs, but I'm just
wondering about this mix and if there are no physical dangers (mental
dangers are omnipresent) I feel like giving it a go, for no particular
reason.



At the moment I'm not in the state to judge correctly so I can't judge
whether you might think this post attack-/flame-like, but that's
definitely not the intention since I value all input, especially the
input telling me about possible dangers and things I'd have to worry
about and all those things.

[RoboCop]

"wann, so you reckon mixing a shitty dissociative"

Oh common now, that hurt.


On the other hand mescaline + DXM wouldn't be the smartest of combo. Phenethylamines in combination with DXM have been used by swim with good results, but that doesn't mean it is a smart idea. DXM effects so many people in such different ways any talk on what combination are safe is highly contraversial.Edited by: RoboCop

[wann]

Originally Posted by RoboCop

"wann, so you reckon mixing a shitty dissociative"



Oh common now, that hurt.

My thought exactly.

Originally Posted by RoboCop

On the other hand mescaline + DXM wouldn't be the
smartest of combo. Phenethylamines in combination with DXM have been
used by swim with good results, but that doesn't mean it is a smart
idea. DXM effects so many people in such different ways any talk on
what combination are safe is highly contraversial.

Alright, that's some concrete stuff for me (again not critisizing
nanobrain). So phenethylamines and DXM. I expected this to be safe but
I'll wait for more response and until I know more, I may just cut the
combo to DXM+Mushrooms+Weed if I can't get certainty. I expect to try
combining mescaline and DXM anyway, even if it's not a good idea. I'm
not a wise person. Do you have an idea where I could find more information on possible dangers caused by combining DXM and phethylamines?



Thanks.

[Unsolved]

Try www.erowid.org. They may not have specific info on combing the two but I'm sure they have experinces from people who have, at least a couple. You can find out if it made them sick or they had any trouble.

[uqlfy]

Mescaline and other chemicals in the same family,2c-i 2c-t-2
etc,can raise heartrate and body temp. I dont know for sure but dont
dissassoicates decrease those? I think problem you would encounter is
the classic upper downer mix.

Another good place to find answers to those sort of questions is
to ask Dr.Shulgin. www.cognitveliberty.org

If anyone has reliable answers itd be him.

[nanobrain]

ok, ok, al ya robotrippers, what has me concerned is precisely the mesc/beta carbolines combo w/DXM - whats your mesc source, cactus or synthed?

i just have this "feeling" that there may be MAO sytem interactionbs which are not at all safe, homeo-thermostatically speaking. not hard fact, mind you, just the combined pharmacology indicates to me there may be trouble potential.

[RoboCop]

Well if that is true nanobrain I have no arguements with that. 2C's would most likely be safer, Swim has done it with 2ce and loved it but read alot on the combo with 2c's first. Here is what the DXM FAQ says about combinations with Phens although Im sure you all have already read it.

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Phenethylamines (MDMA, MDA, 2CB, etc)

I have very limited data on mixing these drugs with DXM. One person mixed DXM and 2CB ("bees") and had a wonderful experience:


Ever since I first read D.M. Turner's excellent Essential Psychedelic Guide and saw his glowing reports on the combination of Ketamine and bees, I have had quite a hankering to try an entheogenic cocktail of that variety. Bees have been plentiful lately, but Ketamine is as hard as ever to come by for me. Recently I had an interesting idea - since DXM is relatively close chemically and experientially to K, as well as being cheap, legal, and easy to acquire, why not use it as a substitute in the combo?
So the other night I took 300 mgs. of DXM in the form of Drixoral Cough Liquid Caps, a preparation that contains no other unwanted active ingredients like acetaminophen, guafinesen, or pseudoephedrine and has the added advantge of being low on sugars and syrups that can cause gatsric distress in large doses. This dose of DXM alone would not be sufficient to evoke a fully dissociative episode for me, but I decided to err on the side of caution as I usually do when trying a new mix. After an hour or so, I began to feel the euphoria that is my first alert with this particular material and took 20 mgs of bees. I was chatting on IRC at the time and within twenty minutes typing became much too complicated to deal with, so I lay down and relaxed into the trip.

There were some uncomfortable somatic symptoms at first, such as a feeling of physical heaviness similar to that induced by alcohol, minor stomach upset, and hot flashes (which had me a little worried until I took my temperature and found it to be normal.) Fortunately, these passed quickly as my consciousness dissociated from my body. I began to feel as if my soul was a soaring kite that was connected to my physical form by only the thinnest etheral guide rope. Then my physical awareness seemingly vanished, and I found myself in a state that was nearly identical to the experience of Ketamine that I had on the two occasions I was lucky enough to acquire some. I felt that I reverted back to the ground of being, the original undifferentiated oneness, the primal monad. Everything was perfect, all was one, and it was me. Then something fantastic happened. I felt as though I was given an opportunity to experience the original creation process that produced the material universe. I saw/felt/percieved the monad make love to itself and give birth to what we know as the manifest cosmos. I was the monad making love and giving birth, and it felt incredible, like multiple orgasms of universal proportions. This was a very meaningful episode for me, because it seemed to afford a pointed insight into one of the main philosophical questions I've been thinking about for quite some time. The question was: why did the monad split in the first place? Why disturb that original pristine oneness at all? As I shivered and shook with the pleasure of the birthing process, the answer seemed very clear: simply for the joy of the doing, not because of any kind of expected result. The universe is a work in progress, not a finished product, and it is the process of creation that is most important.

That episode lasted maybe half an hour or so, and then I began to gradually regain my physical consciousness. I spent the rest of the trip in a lovely state that I can only describe in terms of post-coital glow on a cosmic scale accompanied by the lovely visuals that are characteristic of the bees. Near the end of the experience, I had the opportunity to smoke some salvia, and had the feeling of communing with the spirit of the plant. It felt great; very warm and comforting. Ska Maria definitely likes the bees, and she seems to like me too! I slept about four hours and awoke the next morning feeling reborn and refreshed, enjoying a quite delightful afterglow that lasted the entire day. I reccomend the combination of bees and dissociatives highly, and will most definitely be doing further exploration along these lines in the future when the opportunity presents itself.

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I know its not much and there is alot more on this in erowid, but I have no doubt 2cs and dxm COULD be done safely. There is also no doubt in my mind that something COULD go wrong with some people.

Sorry Im of no real help but figured I'd post this anyways.

[wann]

Originally Posted by Unsolved

Try www.erowid.org. They may not have specific info on
combing the two but I'm sure they have experinces from people who have,
at least a couple. You can find out if it made them sick or they had
any trouble.

Yeah, I'm waiting for when I get some more time on my hands and then I'll spit trough the always lovely Erowid.

Originally Posted by uqlfy

Mescaline and other chemicals in the same family,2c-i 2c-t-2
etc,can raise heartrate and body temp. I dont know for sure but dont
dissassoicates decrease those? I think problem you would encounter is
the classic upper downer mix.



Another good place to find answers to those sort of questions is
to ask Dr.Shulgin. www.cognitveliberty.org



If anyone has reliable answers itd be him.

I don't know about heartrate, but I've noticed several times when on
DXM that my temperature was increased. Usually an increase of about
0,5-1,0 degrees Celcius.



Man, does can you contact Shulgin himself through that site? Thanks a lot, I will check that site out.

Originally Posted by nanobrain

ok, ok, al ya robotrippers, what has me concerned is
precisely the mesc/beta carbolines combo w/DXM - whats your mesc
source, cactus or synthed?





i just have this "feeling" that there may be MAO sytem
interactionbs which are not at all safe, homeo-thermostatically
speaking. not hard fact, mind you, just the combined pharmacology
indicates to me there may be trouble potential.

I _may_ be able to get synthed mescaline, I am trying. I'm guessing
that in a case like this (high-quality) synthetic mescaline is
preferred because the cactii themselves contain more active substances
than just the mescaline?



MAOI's combined with DXM could lead to serotonin syndrome, which of
course should be avoided. I'm going to at least depend on your feeling
until and if I can find out some hard facts. Perhaps I'll try to
contact Dr. Shulgin. Seeing as you're refering to to
homeo-thermostatic, that could be a potential problem since my
temperature is upped by DXM already.

Originally Posted by RoboCop

Well if that is true nanobrain I have no arguements with
that. 2C's would most likely be safer, Swim has done it with 2ce and
loved it but read alot on the combo with 2c's first. Here is what the
DXM FAQ says about combinations with Phens although Im sure you all
have already read it.



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I know its not much and there is alot more on this in erowid, but I
have no doubt 2cs and dxm COULD be done safely. There is also no doubt
in my mind that something COULD go wrong with some people.



Sorry Im of no real help but figured I'd post this anyways.

Perhaps. I'm going to try some 2c-b in the near future hopefully. Either way I'm still going to have to read up on it.



I will check Erowid, yeah. Problems can always occur, I guess. I'll
just make sure there's not too much danger and if something happens
then, bad luck.



You are of help, keep it coming all. Different thoughts lead to new thoughts.



Well, the good thing is that I can be quite patient from time to time
and that I have all the time in the world. Tomorrow or a year from now.
All possible to me. I can do something else in between anyway.

[raven3davis]

I think the combo would be fairly safe, but I would consider taking mescaline alone the first time so you know what you are getting yourself into. If you still want to attempt the combo, then do it, but start with a low dose of each and work your way up until you reach the desired level. Dont jump into the deepend too soon. Be patient and you should be okay.

[als5555]

i would try mescaline alone first, and then try mescaline with the other ones before mixing them all, because everyone reacts differently to each combo two or three of the four might not treat you well. plus with the different combo tests you might have a lot of fun and learn something rally cool, if u do, post it. peace-


Edited by: als5555

[Phungushead]

SWIM has combo'ed DXM and mushrooms before and liked it okay, but I think
that adding mescaline would be too much (plus I wouldn't chance the
whole phenethylamine+dissociative interaction)...

SWIM usually just takes them together at the same time, throw the shrooms,
DXM, some juice concentrate, and some ice cubes into the blender...
this stuff tastes like CRAP (due to DXM bitterness)... for SWIM, the
shrooms kick in first (15min or so), then the DXM a while later.

SWIM's experience with this combination is that you will get fairly heavy
dissociation with visuals that are very mushroomy, but at the same time
look different (the kaleidescoping effect wasn't as "clean", it was
more random, if you know what I mean). It wasn't like the
double-vision, everything looks "wrong"-type visual effects that
normally come from DXM. Thought processes were similar to
shrooms. Music sounded really cool.

Oddly enough, the trip doesn't last as long as you'd think. It
was pretty much over in 6-7 hours. Hard to get to sleep for a
long time though.

Also, there seems to be some synergy between the two... so try this
(low doses of each first), and then see if you still want to add
more... those two together is enough for SWIM.