The DEA is focusing on research chems

[sands of time]

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...hems/research_ chems_info1.shtml#linder

Since kids are overdosing on this stuff, the DEA is now going after the distributors. I think many American research chemical suppliers are probably gonna end up shutting down, but the foreign suppliers might be safe for awhile. If people would just invest some money in a scale, this kind of stuff wouldn't happen. To be honest, I'm really suprised that more people have not died.

[Unsolved]

As for as I know arn't these chemicals still legel is the US? I thought it was perfectly legel to buy and pocess these checmials until the government makes legistalion?

[sands of time]

Many are analogues of illegal drugs. With the Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act, the DEA is able to prosecute suppliers who sell drugs that are chemically related to illegal drugs. The Emergancy Schedual ACT also gives the DEA an advantage in prosecuting these suppliers. I'm not exactly sure what the Emergancy Schedual Act states, but I think it lets the DEA prosecute suppliers who are selling legal chemicals of concern.

Basicly, there is no safe ground anymore when it comes to these research chemicals. Just about anyone using or selling these could be prosecuted, but it looks like users are safe for now. I expect to see the DEA unloading some serious fire power on these research chemical suppliers... to protect the children of course.Edited by: sands of time

[allyourbase]

theres only one US supplier and his prices are satanic. anyone else they cant touch.

[korky8097]

oh im sure if the gov wanted a source in another country that bad, we
would send some of our own men in there. Face it, alot of
countries will comply with US demands purely out of fear. Our
gov. will tell the presses that their gov. is helping this
distributer and is a serious threat, therefore informing the people
this and justifying in some peoples eyes that this is the right thing
to do if the other government denied the US access to bust these
people.

[sg43]

You realy think they could have jurisdiction in japan?...SWIM thinks not, or hopes not.

[glorf]

All the feds have to do is charge someone with something and file for
extradition, and the person usually stays in jail for quite some time
until the court decides whether to send him over. Japan definitely is
no safe haven.

[prospero]

Definitely worrying, but the Fed's are going to find it very much more difficult to operate against foreign suppliers than domestic ones. They've got to justify to a foreign govt to act against a supplier of something which isn't strictly speaking illegal in the USanyway. Very dubious. They're far more likely to try and get concensus amongst all govts to ban these things outright, but that will take quite some time. Also some govts are going to be more responsive than others. I don't see the US govt having much influence over Chinafor example.

[Unsolved]

Extradition happens all the time guys, from almost all countries, even in Japan and Europe. You have to realize that the US is a very powerful country econmically espcially with Japan. The US has mad politial cloud. They can get away with doing a lot. I'm sure you guys watched the news or Unsolved Mysteries. If the US wants a felon all they have to do is tell the government where they think the felon is in the country and the country will pick the felon up for extradition.

[Cuberun]

""These dealers now enter into the privacy of our own homes to entice and sell destruction to our children veiled under the illusion of being safe and legal.""

I wasn't aware of the fact that the internet was my home. Oh well, I learn something new everyday! Ya'll better not trespass else I'll get me e-shotgun out.

Japan? China is the place...

[Unsolved]

"These dealers now enter into the privacy of our own homes to entice and sell destruction to our children veiled under the illusion of being safe and legal."

I had no idea my friends and I are all considered children (the only people I know of that have used these around here). That's funny I graduated from high school a long time ago. Oh well yep I'm just a child and I and I need to be protected. Please government tell me what I can and can't do. It's not like this is a free country or anything.

[uqlfy]

"These dealers now enter into the privacy of our own homes to entice
and sell destruction to our children veiled under the illusion of being
safe and legal."




Does this mean that they are gonig to be charged with Breaking and Entering as well?

How about charging Internet providers with aiding and abetting?



How about all those stores selling alchohol and tobacco under the illusion its safe?

[Cuberun]

I'm just so excited that I'll be able to tell all my friends that I've had at least 50000 pornochicks in my house engaging in acts of sexual nature. They'll probably believe me as much as I believe the DEA!

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by sands of time

I think many American research chemical suppliers are probably gonna end up shutting down

Um..... didn't that happen about ten months ago when these busts
actually occurred? The US isn't exactly teeming with RC suppliers
at this moment.

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[sands of time]

Originally Posted by prospero

Definitely worrying, but the Fed's are going to find it very much more difficult to operate against foreign suppliers than domestic ones. They've got to justify to a foreign govt to act against a supplier of something which isn't strictly speaking illegal in the US*anyway.* Very dubious.* They're far more likely to try and get concensus amongst all govts to ban these things outright, but that will take quite some time.* Also some govts are going to be more responsive than others.* I don't see the US govt having much influence over China*for example.*

Though the DEA will have a harder time nabbing foreign suppliers, it won't be to difficult. The DEA is, in my opinion, one of the most powerful agencies in the United States, and they have no problem getting most foreign governments to comply with they're will. Believe it or not, most Asian countries are even harder on drugs than the States. I think Canada has shown opposition to the war on drugs more than any other country.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by sands of time

Since kids are overdosing on this stuff, the DEA is now going after the distributors.

Ya u know it... as coke & H. flow into the country even less impeded, thanks to the DEA spending precious resources on research chemicals. Of course the U.S. gov't makes a bundle on the hard drug trade in the USA, and nothing on research chemicals.

Not that I have anything against anything particular flowing into the country, it's just that the DEA are a bunch of morons with their dicks in the pockets of politicians. It's all about money and getting re-elected, in whatever order. Pfooey... Edited by: Nicaine

[korky8097]

The gov. should have at least made it illegal first before going and
doing this insain act. Its like arresting japanese toy makers
because a few kids in america choaked on the toy while their parents
werent watching. I wish more than anything in the world to have a
sit down with bush and just see his views and see him try to back them
up, media free, adviser free, just me and him. Nothing violent
about this, i would just love to give him the facts, see what he has to
say on it, and see if an inteligent answer even comes for questions
about legalization of marijuana, x for psychiatric use, ect. We
cannot be blamed for A FEW stupid kids who OD by diping fingers in
bags, eyeballing, and not researing doses. I mean really the
ratio of OD/non OD on rc's is just insain. We are talking handfulls of
cases, maybe half of them which the rc they took was actuall
responsible. I really think the DEA should at least inform the
people before they do this shit, i mean i thought we were supposed to
live in a democracy where the people had voice in decisions. Ahh
ill stop before i get too worked up.

[Softrat]

As far as I know the few deaths associated with RCs all involved adults, not kids. Considering how isrresponsible teenagers are this fact alone suggest that RCs were primarily being purchased and used by adults.

[GDxCAT]

^depends on your defintion of adult. Alot of 20 something "adults" are
much more mature or smarter when it comes to drugs that teenagers.

[GoaM]

Wow, that's pretty harsh. Linder got life in prison. That's fucked up. Ibought lactone off him back in my GHB days. Wow. I think he'd of gotten off lighter for cocaine.

[korky8097]

i hate that adult is measured in years. Ive seen 14 year olds
more mature than alot of adults, as well as seen many adults that are
extreamly childish. Fact of the matter is, these "adults" were
very childish when dosing most of the time, no responsible adult would
dip his finger in the bag. In my eyes these people were
children. Children trapped in an adult body. People like
this should be taken out back and beaten with a hose.

[Mezza]

I guess that's the reason the government feels the need to legislate on drugs - they're not really bothered about safe, sensible people likeus on this forum, they're trying to protect the idiots from harming themselves. Unfortunately the idiots form the majority. So the choice is to ban everything, as they do now, to protect the idiots from themselves; or legalise everything, enabling us to carry on happily, but guaranteeing loads of idiots will end up in hospital or dead.


I think licensed usage is the only effective long-term solution.

[korky8097]

yes, but education would be better. I like that licensed idea
though, like take a short quiz to prove you are not a moron, and get to
do whatever drug you want. Then the morons will be safe when they
dont have their drugs. I swear those people should be wearing
helmets.

[moldie]

I don't think it's fair to call the people who do stupid things with RC's stupid. I do stupid things all the time with full knowledge of the possible consequences. I'll have whole if-then tree's laid out in my head when I first try using an RC intravenously (i've tried several).
There's a difference between being stupid and just not giving a fuck.Edited by: nanobrain

[nanobrain]

^"There's a difference between being stupid and just not giving a fuck."

the difference between a Darwin nominee and a sociopath? if you live in a total social void where the consequences of your actions will definitely not have any effect on others, your logic applies.