I got searched

[xMeTaL HeAdx]

At school, at a random time, i was searched because they thought i had marijuana on me. They searched my pockets and my backpack. I had none on me, but isn't this illegal to do?

[Muirner]

nope, when your in school, you have no rights what so ever. Your locker and the contents in their belong to them and they can search it at any time. As for you, you are in a state run institution you dont have rights. Thats what they said to me


Muirner

[Unsolved]

You live in the US right? Yup that is perfectly legel doesn't feel like the US anymore does it. That's how things are becoming these days. Use to happen in my school all the time, locker searches, K9's the works. It's part of the drug free campaign that the government has been implemnting for years now. My advice to you is don't carry anything on your at all nothing. Something is obviously going on here if they picked you out of the crowed to search. Maybe word has gotten around some how. Be carefeul!!!!

[oldman]

yeah, listen to unsolved and if you don't beleive it read the chapter in Pihkal called Lecture at the University. Home of the free, I don't think so. The power belongs to the Man in the uniform and you don't have shit to say about it as long as he has "good faith" in performing an investigation or search. I found all this out the hard way last summer.It cost me nearly 50,000 to have a felony droped in exchange for 2 misdomeanors. Ilost my license for a year. This was all over an amount less than 1/10th of an ounce. That's right. I'm so paranoid about the law and the gov. now I am very very careful. Ido not like to discuss the details online or even over the phone. and yes I did have a very good attorney but I happen to livein a very conservative,area with stiff drug laws. not all states or counties are as tough as mine but I recommend never complying to anything unless you've talked to an attorney first, this was the mistake I made and never will again. Keep an attoreys card(preferrably one who works with drug cases) on you all the time in your wallet, or at least the number to one. be careful in the future. The gov. now seems a whole lot more evil to me now than it ever did before.

[sands of time]

This kind of thing goes on at every public school in the U.S.A. It's the price we pay to live in a very safe and economically sound country. The government has no checks and balances, and further more, no equal sized opposition. Much of our freedom has been slowly widdled away, at a pace to slow to be noticed. To be honest, the school searches don't bother me to much, because I feel that a school is the last place for drugs to be circulating. What bothers me is the way non violent suspect's rights are violated by the government and police. The drug war is one of this countries largest blunders and I feel that it will be veiwed as that many years from now.

[Chaote]

In Canada it is legal with "probable cause" there was a case were a principal searched a kid without it but the judge said guilty (btw they found grass) so the kid took it ot the supreme court and bam innocent it went on like that for a while, theres a few cases like that. Hide it well or don't carry, or find an empty locker and throw a lock on it bam you got a stash of sorts. Know your rights

[pokeymcsmot420]

thisis legal however not acceptable or something you should allow to happen to you.


swims school tried this shit on him, heres how it went down.


swim ended up bein pulld into the office "we suspect you of being under the influence of marijuana blah blah blah"


swim: "no thats bullshit"


dean: "please empty your pockets".


swm: "I do not comply to a search, your not authorized to searchstudents, Im a minor, I demand to see my lawyer"


dean: "your on school property and your right i have no authority to touch a student but the police are already on there way, please empty your pockets. (dean attempts to reach for a pocket.)


swim: (running like hell for thenearest exit) you'll hear from my lawyer!!!


so how did it turn out?? well very good and very bad.swim recieved no charges, no probation, no punishment whatsoever.


However swim never did return to that school, EVER!! In order for them to re-enrollswim they demand he confesses to police, takes a piss test, and submits to rehabilitation.


but like I said NO PROBATION....SWIM SMOKES ON!!! MWAHAHA


luckily there were no police there already or things would not have turned out so well....and luckily swims parents were cool with the situation and more than willing to transfer him to a safer school.


oh yea and for the ultimate fuckover, the local undercover narcotics teams called swims school and told them he was dealing!! fuckin NARCS!! lol sorry had to get that off my chest.

[Pinkavvy]

hmm.

it is legal, though is not legal to have the police press charges against you. meaning, they have the right to search you; though what they find could not be used against you in a court of law. though they could suspend you, and some schools may call the police and get you to admit to the police that it is yours.

if they attempt to search you do the following.

1. say that you do not consent to a search and that you request an attorney and/or your parents to be present.

2. if they persist, say nothing and go limp. lay on the ground and require then to manhandle you to search.

3. even if they find something simply say "i dont know what that is. it isn't mine. it wasnt on me." then go back to be silent and limp

4. do not cooperate. if they have the police come in and say it was on you, say nothing. do not say you found it or anything. do not acknowledge that they found it. stay silent, demand an attorney.

5. seek an attorney asap. if the police attempt to press charges, contact the aclu.

if they find something on you, the police can not press charges unless you acknowledge it was on you. remember, the search was for the safety of the school; and they had no warrent or legal reason to use anything found on you against you in a court of law.

[elbow]

The school searching thing never would have happened when I was in high
school, only about 10-15 years ago, and I remember that old copies of
my high school year books (from the '70's) had pictures of like bongs
and people smoking in them.



I find all of these infringements on young people's personal freedoms
very disturbing and makes me think a lot about how America is a
prison-society. It is like they are preparing a certain portion of the
population for the total prison mentality--being watched by
authorities, having your behavior termed suspicious, getting piss
tested, having to report to an officer.



If you want to get politically involved in changing something, but are
afraid to be associated with any causes that are directly drug-related
(NORML, Drug Policy Alliance, etc) then consider becoming a
prison-reform activist or pursuing a career in criminal justice or law.
Yeah, a lot of the people you'll be studying these subjects with are
going to be on the side of evil, but if you can learn your shit then
eventually you may be able to help change things.

[Unsolved]

I agree with everything you said but would like to add to to your statement as well. Not only can you consider a carrer in law, which a lot of government politicians do, you can also consider getting involved with poltics, maybe people you know as well as government adminstration, maybe even make sure that you vote for the canidates every election in November. The only way to change things is one by one.

[oldman]

definately politics is where we need to make the changes. it seems that the drug card is the safest one to play for politicians or people running for office. It is what all the old time, old school, voters like to hear. It helps them get the evangialests vote and all the other politically active people that have more time to picket at their states capitol then the real working class. It is political suicide if any candidate proposes legislation that may show mercy on non violent drug related issues. Iread a book about the drug war called drug crazy. It's some scarey shit about how we got here and where we're going. In 1965 there we less than 200,000 people in prison in America. There are now 3 million and growing. The mandatory mins. are now greater for drug convictions than rape. Norml has a section of their site devoted to scanning views of people who are running or are in office for your state , I guess this may help but politicians seem to lie about everything anyway, I doubt we'll ever make headway while I'm alive. I really am not an old man either (34). I still am not a great proponent for drugs at schools though fellas. Keep that stuff away from school, and you'll have one less propblem to worry about. Don't think you can be so passe about all this stuff and everybody will be cool. I found out the hard way last year how obtuse this country really is on drug policy. It changed my whole life. I used to be very laid back about it. I found out first hand how the cops are like the gustapo. I really shake inside everytime I see one now and I have nothing to hide. Like sands of time said this is ther price we pay for living in a "safe" country. don't forget it.

[Nature Boy]

Watch out for snitches and rats in school. Local drug squads often have a mole working in places with lots of young people likely to take drugs, especially in schools, colleges etc.

[Unsolved]

Were not so upset about the actual drugs at school that besides the point. I don't agree with have drugs in schools either. We are more upset with how peoples right are being trampled on by authorities. It's like as soon as you set foot in a school you can kiss your rights good bye because your in that school. Just doesn't seem right. What happened to due process? What happened to that school being in the US where the critzens inside it our protected by laws and may not be searched without a warrent or probable cause? See what were trying to get at.

[xMeTaL HeAdx]

So you're saying even if they did find drugs on me, I couldn't have charges pressed as long as i keep denying?

[unico_walker]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

Watch out for snitches and rats in school. Local
drug squads often have a mole working in places with lots of young
people likely to take drugs, especially in schools, colleges
etc.

Hey you kids know where I can score some toad?

[mf400]

Originally Posted by xMeTaL HeAdx

So you're saying even if they did find drugs on me, I couldn't have charges pressed as long as i keep denying?

Not quite. If they search you with out your consent, anything they find can be thrown out of court with any competent lawyer. They can still press charges, and if they have resonable cause to search you (smell of pot, sight of pot) they can search you with out your consent easily. Dont think your invincible, because you;re not, and getting stuck with drugs is a lot worse than on tv. I've spent a night in a cell, its awful.

[Muirner]

A night in a cell? Was it downtown, or in a real state prison? Anyways at school i believe they can search you with no probable cause because your in a drug free zone. If they think for some reason that you have something to violate this then that is probable cause.

You should try spending 31 days in jail, that sucks.


Muirner

[tripleh101]

the constitution was not set up to protect minors. those under the age of 18 have no rights. high schoolers do not have these protections, because they usually cannot be held as criminally liable as adultsfor crimes they have committed. on those cases where a minor is charged as an adult, then the constitution comes into effect. minors in the U.S. constantly "get off"scott free because they are minors. Drugs are the least of our concerns, car theft, assaults, rape, murder by minors are often overlooked or excused because the aggressor is a minor. on the rare case where a minor is actually held liable fora criminal act, then good, it's about time. In todays world, it's hard to believe that 18 is the age of reason. People understand the consequences of their actions well before the age of 18 and that needs to be enforced.

[Muirner]

They dont have constitutional rights because they are high schoolers aka minors? You do have your constitiutional rights, when ever you are outside of the school, it is when you are on school grounds your are abididing by a written rule that it is a drug free zone. When you sign up for school and you have to sign the handbook and all that jazz at the begining of the year it says it in there that you are subject to search when in a drug free zone. You do not lose your rights because you are a minor/high schooler. And there are plenty of minors who get charged with possession and they can get anything from community service, to probation.


Muirner

[ramjet]

I'm pretty sure it is illegal to perform a stop and search in Britain without the
person's consent. I'll have to check on that. But then your refusal to be searched can be used in evidence against you.


Edited by: ramjet