What will be the next ’street drug’?

[Hyperreal]

The current list of street drugs is really very short: cannabis, cocaine, crack, heroin, speed (amphetamine/ methamphetamine), ecstasy, acid, mushrooms (mostly in America) and ketamine. Other drugs might be found now and then, or exist only in certain scenes, but the above are pretty much the only major street drugs. (By major street drugs, I mean something that is illegal, is bought from drug dealers, and people outside the drug community know of.)


Ecstasy came on to the streets very rapidly in the eighties and has stayed there. Ketamine is the latest one, and is still unheard of on the streets in parts of the world.


My money is on 2C-B. Here's why:


2C-B has been placed on the UN's Convention on Psychotropic Substances, making it illegal worldwide. This means that people will have to buy it from dealers. 2C-B is different in effectsfrom any of the current street drugs. Nearly everyone who tries 2C-B likes it, which is what that Peter Jennings documentary identified as the quality that allowed MDMA to gain such popularity. I think drugs become street drugs based on merit: heroin is the most blissful opiate, MDMA is the most euphoric of the empathogenic stimulants, LSD is (to put it crudely) the best psychedelic etc. 2C-B is, by all accounts, a good drug.


Anyone agree? Disagree? Comments? Meta-comments?

[Zandorf]

i sure as hell hope you're right, but probably not. The
average street quality of MDMA is on the decline, and 2c-b enjoyed some
short lived pupularity in the early 90's on the rave scene, didn't it?
it's less popular now.



I've looke dinto synthesis, a direct synthesis with the precursor 2c-h
isn't that feasible for a business model because 2c-h is really
expensive.



so i think probably the next street drug will be some other form of
homemade amphetemine or stimulant as the pseudoephedrine lock down
continues and leaves a gap in the market.

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[sg43]

SWIM wouldhave to go with 2C-I, Hes starting to hear alot more about it from people he dosent even know...and these people are starting to sell it as a "Drug" instead of a research chemical, acting like you cant buy it legaly of the internet...silly people.

[Nature Boy]

I read a thesis written by a Brazilian botanist before who predicted that within the next thirty years, some amazing natural plant drugs (similar to marijuana or cocaine) could be discovered deep within the unknown Amazon rainforest and in other isolated corners of the world. It seems a little far-fetched but imagine if someone discovered a rival to marijuana. I'd love to believe it was gonna happen but I just can't see it in my lifetime.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

There already ARE lots of interesting plants known, and most of them
still are legal, and most of them are available on the internet, and
many of them are easy to grow yourself. And more are being
discovered all the time.



I have found this to be the best forum that deals with drugs, that is why I am here.



I see no need to start turning this forum into a plant forum, as it
would be redundant information and effort to that which is discussed
elsewhere. But there is one plant forum that is easily the equal to
this drugs forum in quality, and you can find out more about plants and
talk about them there. www.entheogen.com



Talk about and learn about your plant drugs there, and your chemical drugs here, and it's all good



Oh, and really, what ever the next drug/plant is, we should all
hope it doesn't become that popular, because as soon as it does, it
will become illegal. So don't get greedy and sell the shit on the
street, and be discreet and just enjoy them yourself and with your
mates. And keep it private, out of the public eye, so as not to
irritate the "moral majority", cause it will also be made illegal if
that happens.



I don't think we should be speculating what will be the next street
drug. Instead, we should be talking about how to enjoy ourselves in a
low-profile manner so that we can keep legal that which we still do
have.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

[Chaote]

Unfortunately, and I meen that is a very serious sense Ithink it will be... Salvie, in the past two days Ive had 2 high shcool kids come up to me and ask if I would sell them a hit or two I said yes the first time because there was something in it for me better than money..mushrooms... but i said no the second for a cpl reasons 1. More attention the sooner it will be illegal 2. 80% of the recreational drug using community isnt ready for salvia and probably never will be 3. I dont want more punks coming up to me and saying "c'mon man dont be a dick just sell me a hit" I wish there was't a breakthrough on sally so that the first time they used it they would be like omg omg omg what is happening

but i am still to see ketamine around here Canada

i reckon it will be 2c-t-7 even though it illegal in america now or 4aco-dipt

[dr ACE]

could be 2c-e that 1 seems to be ever popular and it is very powerful

[raven3davis]

I would agree that it could be 2c-e. Such a small dose is needed too. It could be easily pressed into pills, or put into gelcaps and distributed. The profit margin would be much more than for MDMA because the dose is so much lower.

[Softrat]

I think it is very likely that sooner or later Methylone will be sold on the "street".

[dedly]

just wondering, but has 2c-i beened banned in canada or the states yet? i know it's a no-no in europe and the hong-kong houses will not send to northamerica, but i believe it's still being sold trough chemical houses and also "religious movements"... Edited by: dedly

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Depends on who you ask. Best not ask too many folks, or the wrong folks.



It is not specifically listed by name as being scheduled.



Any DEA agent you asked, would of course say "YES", because they like
to apply the analog law to the extreme, and even streach the analog law
a little (or a lot) here and there, just so's they can get their mits
on you.

I see your discussing the topic of new drugs. Although i've tried salvia, on many occasions. As leaves and as 20x extract, i've never really enjoyed it. But salvinorin A (the active compound in salvia) is the one strongest substanceextracted ever. Dr. Shulgin seems to believe that salvia hosts a lot of treasures for us in the future. check the askdrshulgin.com site, go to the index and its question nr. 29.


be safe people

[PenguinPhreak]

Yes, salvia is amazing stuff, but it won't be on the street for long.
Salvia is incredibly powerful, and not particularly euphoric so people
other than hardcore psychonauts usually don't like it. There tends to
be a large amount of kids who get their hands on it without knowing
much about it, and scare the shit out of themselves. While I think this
teaches them to be more careful with drugs, the downside is they tend
to generate negative press for the drug.

[pabel_giboon]

Salvia trips are very hard to understand for a newbie, too insightfull. I think it wont become too popular and/or the drug of choice. It would be really great to have 2c-b on the streets since it´s not easy at all to find nowdays on peripheric contryes -like mine-.

what about 2c-t-7...

[napoleon in rags]

the 2c-x drugs would all be very popular recreationally, but it would end up with a bunch of stupid kids taking 100mg each unbenounced to them and end up pushing up daisies

[Alfa]

The 2-C-x are relatively complex to produce compared to amphetamine and MDMA. There are tree factors for a street drug to become widely available:

1. Easy to produce.
2. Cost per dose: production yield, production costs & potency of the substance
3. High popularity / many return sales

If any of these tree factors is prominent, the substance may become widely available regardless of the other factors.

[Nagognog2]

You left one factor out, Alfa: Potency. This would explain the appearance of DOC. And DOI preceding it. Let's say a dosage unit of 2-CI is 20mg. Lets say a dosage unit of DOC is 3mg. Both cost the same to produce. Get the picture?

The next "street drug" of the psychedelic family will be one that is powerful regards dosage, thereby bringing in the most revenue for the manufacturer, and have effects that many will percieve as pleasant. As such, it will also be the next drug that is outlawed and will fuel the flames of drug hysteria.

[Alfa]

Thanks. I was thinking about yield as well. I edited my post to include all.

[raven3davis]

DOC is becoming very popular and it is hitting the streets in the form of blotter. It is possible to sandwich many different chemicals onto blotter but doc can be absorbed into blotter just like lsd. So can DOI but most people find DOC much more enjoyable. For this reason SWIM thinks DOC might gain some street fame but it will surely become illegal shortly afterwards.

[hazeinmybong2]

Originally Posted by pabel_giboon

Salvia trips are very hard to understand for a newbie, too insightfull. I think it wont become too popular and/or the drug of choice. It would be really great to have 2c-b on the streets since it´s not easy at all to find nowdays on peripheric contryes -like mine-.

You call salvia insightful? Are you nuts? Salvia is like five minutes of not understanding anything. True it has a rush effect but after the trip I don't feel one with the nature of the universe. I feel like I just got kicked in the head and suffered a concussion. Its more like a party favor than anything, "Hey try this." Then we all laugh at who ever is trying to figure out how to peel their legs away from the couch they melted to.

Mushrooms are insightful.

[StigmataLectron]

lol, SWIM just did salvia, as a matter of fact. Pure leaf, it felt like he was being jabbed all over, every bead of sweat on his body itched like crazy, and he could /feel/ it telling him to get up and go to another room (the one with this forum open on the computer). And then he got that ancient Mazatec form of the munchies, whatever they called it back then.

What I'm saying is that salvia's not insightful in SWIM's experience, it was just a way for him to try (and fail) at getting high. Maybe it's the potency of the stuff he has, but he wouldn't think this stuff has a whole lot of potential on the street or at parties.

[CrystalDextro]

2CB or DOC prolly will enter a scene similar to rave scene in the 90's hopefully with a healthier image tho..... the effects make them on my top 10 to try

[bonghed]

In the u.k apparently methamphetamine, mainstream i mean it has been about before, i'll post more dtail later if needed, googlin ent that hard though. I think there right, when it comes properly it'll hit hard imo.