Drug info - Getting adderall instead of concerta?

[destinationowhere]

SWIM was prescribed 30 concertas 36mg daily. He wasn't diagnosed with ADHD, but he just told his doctor that he couldn't focus and then said that he read a lot of good things about these medications on the internet. He went through his concertas in about 10 or 11 days. He is going to call his doctor on the day that he should have run out of them. Now SWIM is wondering, how does he ask his doctor if he can try adderall instead of concerta? Is there any side effects with concerta that adderall doesn't cause? He doesn't want to say that the pills don't work because he thinks that would be a bad thing to say. Thanks for your help!

[Milk man]

Originally Posted by destinationowhere

SWIM was prescribed 30 concertas 36mg daily. He wasn't diagnosed with ADHD, but he just told his doctor that he couldn't focus and then said that he read a lot of good things about these medications on the internet. He went through his concertas in about 10 or 11 days. He is going to call his doctor on the day that he should have run out of them. Now SWIM is wondering, how does he ask his doctor if he can try adderall instead of concerta? Is there any side effects with concerta that adderall doesn't cause? He doesn't want to say that the pills don't work because he thinks that would be a bad thing to say. Thanks for your help!

Swiy kind of dug himself a hole. If swiy asks the doctor for adderall it will seem like he is looking for drugs(concertas supposedly are less abusable). Especially since he has only had concerta for 1 month. If swiy told the doctor the concertas didn't help, the doctor MIGHT ask for the rest back and swiy will have a very hard time explaining why he used medicine that didn't supposedly work.

Do you know the "reason" the doc gave swiy concerta if he hasn't been diagnosed(medical reason)? Swim is pretty sure the doc could get a big deal of trouble for prescribing a Schedule II medicine for illegitimate reasons.

[destinationowhere]

Well SWIM told his doctor that it was really difficult for him to concentrate. His doctor then gave him some study tips, but then SWIM said that he read all about these medications online and that he would like to try one out. SWIM originally asked for vyvanse, which his doctor almost prescribed to him(so that he didn't look shady by asking for adderall right away). Then SWIM made the mistake of asking if it was covered by his health insurance. His doctor then told him that it would cost over $100 dollars, and immediately wrote a new prescription for concerta without even asking if SWIM can pay for it.

SWIM could say that the pills did help him study, which would explain why SWIM took all of them. But SWIM is just looking for a side effect of methylphenidate that amphetamine doesn't cause. That way SWIM could just say that he took them to help him study, but they really "insert side effect here" ... and then ask if there is a different medication he can try.

The thing is that SWIM is not sure if any of this will work because of the fact that he wasn't really diagnosed with ADD and his doctor might not like the fact that someone who doesn't really need stimulant medication is getting all picky. SWIM is just afraid that his doctor might just come out and say "Alright, thats enough, I know what you're doing and I'm writing on your rfile about your drug seeking behavior"

So what SWIM needs to know is; what would be a good solid reason for a doctor to switch SWIM from methylphenidate to amphetamine without having diagnosed him with ADD, and how does SWIM avoid being put on the "drug seeking behavior" black list.

SWIM thanks you all

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SWIM also needs to know what happens when a person who REALLY has ADD takes concerta. He needs to know what it's supposed to feel like. SWIM can't tell his doctor that he got wired as fuck, stayed up all night, and got a weeks worth of homework done. Thanks again!

[Milk man]

Originally Posted by destinationowhere

Well SWIM told his doctor that it was really difficult for him to concentrate. His doctor then gave him some study tips, but then SWIM said that he read all about these medications online and that he would like to try one out. SWIM originally asked for vyvanse, which his doctor almost prescribed to him(so that he didn't look shady by asking for adderall right away). Then SWIM made the mistake of asking if it was covered by his health insurance. His doctor then told him that it would cost over $100 dollars, and immediately wrote a new prescription for concerta without even asking if SWIM can pay for it.

SWIM could say that the pills did help him study, which would explain why SWIM took all of them. But SWIM is just looking for a side effect of methylphenidate that amphetamine doesn't cause. That way SWIM could just say that he took them to help him study, but they really "insert side effect here" ... and then ask if there is a different medication he can try.

The thing is that SWIM is not sure if any of this will work because of the fact that he wasn't really diagnosed with ADD and his doctor might not like the fact that someone who doesn't really need stimulant medication is getting all picky. SWIM is just afraid that his doctor might just come out and say "Alright, thats enough, I know what you're doing and I'm writing on your rfile about your drug seeking behavior"

So what SWIM needs to know is; what would be a good solid reason for a doctor to switch SWIM from methylphenidate to amphetamine without having diagnosed him with ADD, and how does SWIM avoid being put on the "drug seeking behavior" black list.

SWIM thanks you all

destinationowhere added 28 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

SWIM also needs to know what happens when a person who REALLY has ADD takes concerta. He needs to know what it's supposed to feel like. SWIM can't tell his doctor that he got wired as fuck, stayed up all night, and got a weeks worth of homework done. Thanks again!

Methylphenidate has been known to have bad comedowns(i.e. swiy gets depressed after taking it). Adderall comedowns are nowhere near as bad(using it legitly and not looking for euphoria).

Methylphenidate generally calms swim down(swim has never been diagnosed ADD), and he has heard from people with ADD that it often calms them down too. Swiy might be able to say that concerta lasts too long and he would like something IR but he thinks that swiy would probably be stuck with IR methylphenidate.

Crossing the bridge from methylphenidate to an AMP may take a while of working on the doctor and building trust. Tolerance is often a reason to switch meds, but if swiy has built a tolerance in 1 month, it is quite obvious he isn't using his medicine as prescribed.

Overall, it really depends on swiy's doctor. Swiy might be able to say that he tried a friends adderall and get away with it but swiy's doctor's light may go off and swiy will be stuck with nothing. Swiy should look up side-effects of methylphenidate and pick a few and complain about them. Saying that it helped with his concentration issues but he can't continue using methylphenidate.

[Donmeka]

you definitely cant ask for this in a month SWIM would have to say wait a couple months and say you did research on concerta and waited the allotted time to see how it works over time (SWIM would say close to 4-6 months at least) and over your studies you came across other medications like adderall, desoxyn, dexedrine etc.

SWIM actually did this with Desoxyn which in the US is VERY hard to obtain apparently and SWIM did what he said above although he is not sure on the months after he was given 10mg adderall. SWIM just brought in some online reviews of peoples experiences on desoxyn and how it was better than adderall and such which SWIM found to be true, more of the focus and positives less of the negatives(to SWIM at least). ANYWAY SWIM showed him these reviews and medical documents on desoxyn and he sat down with SWIM and talked about it and looked it up in some book he had and with np he said ok. NOW!...SWIMs doctor is a pretty cool dude and SWIM has been a pretty responsible with his medication(rarely abused ever) but recently has had a opiate problem but that's now this is a year or so ago. SWIM is very honest with his psych he knew SWIM experimented with drugs but saw SWIM was knowledgeable about what was wrong with him and seemed responsible. SWIM also had anti depressants and anti psychotics RXd in the past and has had a seizure because of the combination he was on. so SWIM really trusts medications like adderall or desoxyn because amphetamine is a very well known chemical and SWIM trusts himself taking it correctly and staying clear of addiction more than some mystery med that MIGHT work in 2 weeks or MIGHT cause SWIM to think about killing himself.

SWIM has had adderall and xanax RXed for probably 2 years now SWIM believes and is now RXed 30mg adderall 2x daily (SWIM started at 10mg to 20mg to 30 over time) and 2mg xanax 3x daily(over 2+yrs and 3 doc/psychs from .5mg to 1mg to 2mg from 2x daily to 3x daily)

so wait and be smart about what you want to ask a medical professional about, KNOW YOUR SHIT because 9.9999999 out of 10 odds is they do. It also takes a certain type of doctor, some will NEVER RX certain medications and nothing you will say can change their minds.

SWIM wanted to smoke weed for his depression or w/e and his 1st psych completely disapproved even when SWIM had accounted a recent event that seemed to help his situation with medical marijuana he told SWIM "If you won't listen to my treatment i cant treat you". SWIM simply told his first psychiatrist "thank you very much i will find a doctor who will" and found a psych in his town.

now THIS GUY is the person SWIM asked about adderall at first after being given strattera and having no effect SWIM did research and asked about adderall. and that was a 100% NO! He kept spitting out names of anti depressants and SWIM would have to repeat the seizure incident and that he will NEVER take any SSRI or "mystery med" ever again. SWIM left this psych and believe was referred to his current psych by the therapist at the place he was going at the time.

SWIMs current psych is kind and understanding and very bright and actually listens to SWIM and SWIM can be honest with him 100%. He is pretty laid back though because most friends jaws drop when SWIM tells them what he gets monthly lol.

[VSOP~on~tap]

may I be so blunt as to ask why you are so ungreatful for the high dose XR ritilan prescritption you wre just handed without even being diagnosed add?????????? cause if thats the case and I was your doctor Id cut you off immediatly if you came in trying to get adderall you need to be able to at least trust your doctor soemwhat: or why else woudl you go to them??? : TO USE THEM. dont use them then be pissed with what they gave you. especialy when concerta is a Much more euphoric and much more potent stimulant than adderall anyways. it wins hands down and comes in big doses like 54 mg and its XR so its alot smoother. I mean if it honestly doesnt work, that is one thing, and you should tell your doctor, "it doesnt work" but if its just because your not quite satisfied with the buzz I say you need to be cutoff you that you will learn to be greatful or what you do have. I have been prescibred hydrocodone for the past 8 years, but still not once has my dose EVER been raised my bottle STILL says "7.5/325 take ONE pill every 4-6 hours as needed for pain" I of course take 8 a day and fill them after a few weeks and my doc is cool with that, but yeah Ive never had to raise my dose 60 mg hydro is the most I have ever needed and that will basicaly cover most or all of the day. I could ask for 10/325s, but I already feel REALLY graetful because around here to not be old and to have a script for 120 norco 7.5s NOT TO MENTION from the same doc 90 klonopin2s 120 somas, and 30 Restoril 30s not to mention I used to get Lyrica when I could aford it and ambien. so anyways yeah my doc is cool enough to trust me that I know whay I need, so I dont abuse him and i appreciate what I have even though I wish I got a little higher dose, its not at all worth risking this relationship because I cant even afford any other pain meds anyways. hydro and methadone are the 2 cheapest pain meds hydros are 50 bones for 120, mdones are even cheaper. so id love mdone script, just like you want and adderall script. but when I think about it, my script is better than what most peopl (everyone I know in real life) has, and it DOES help better than nothing and I am lucky enough that he fills it as early as I need and is willing to give me specific benzos/doses/multiple benzos at once......I mean I really dont abuse it im a fucked up individual and need these drugs at this poitn iny my life, but I realized a LOOOOOONG time ago that anyone can sit there and complain all day to their doctors and make up lies about how hydor makes them sick so they need percocet or other equaly bullshit BULLSHIT-----But how many people stop and think "holy shit. I have a script for 90 OC 40s with 180 hydro tens for breakthrough and 90 valiums to top it off. DAMN I AM FUCKING LUCKY!!!!!" I mean people on the streets would spend their life savings for a collection like that. but to the junky, its never good enough. it will work, but the grass is greener.
consider the fact that you EVEN GET HEALTH care at ALL and if that is a true statement about you consider yourself mighty blessed and praise the lord because so many peopel in this world die every day of starvation or have to LITERALY choose between groceries and the doctor/medicine that month/or all the time. So if you have a problem with your meds, again, the only respectable thing to do is to straight up tell your doctor that something needs to be changed for you to be balanced and content in your own skin. most doctors ARE human bings, people, and should be able to understand that, and as long as you really arent going out of your way to abuse the privledge (asking for specificaly and NO ALTERNATIVES for 500 Desoxyn a month, 800 OC 80s a month, and 600 xanax bars a month along with 180 30 mg adderall) that isnt right. if you ask for JUST what you really need, then I see no reason your doctor would turn you down unless they beleive the medicine would be bad news for you.

also one FINALY note, I promise, is that people either seem to react well to EITHER Methylphedate/Cocaine type drugs OR Amphetamine/Methamphetamine drugs. they are a little different and while one class may be of no use to you the other class may be perfect. but nomraly people dont respond well to both, its usualy one or the other. like people honestly do either prefer Meth or Coke. its not like either willl work they are not interchangable. if you like a little more of a smoothe dopamine cok-ee high than Id reccomend sticking with ritilan. if you like more of a straigh jacked spun go with adderall. but if you want the best ADD medicine in the entire world, ask for NOTHING less than a Reasonable dose of Desosxyn. Tell your doc your cousin gave you one and it felt like you were cured, I dont know im sure you can figure it out

peace

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Very good point of view not mentioned often enough on this forum. Be thankful for the scripts you get!

[destinationowhere]

Originally Posted by VSOP~on~tap

may I be so blunt as to ask why you are so ungreatful for the high dose XR ritilan prescritption you wre just handed without even being diagnosed add?????????? cause if thats the case and I was your doctor Id cut you off immediatly if you came in trying to get adderall you need to be able to at least trust your doctor soemwhat: or why else woudl you go to them??? : TO USE THEM. dont use them then be pissed with what they gave you. especialy when concerta is a Much more euphoric and much more potent stimulant than adderall anyways. it wins hands down and comes in big doses like 54 mg and its XR so its alot smoother. I mean if it honestly doesnt work, that is one thing, and you should tell your doctor, "it doesnt work" but if its just because your not quite satisfied with the buzz I say you need to be cutoff you that you will learn to be greatful or what you do have. I have been prescibred hydrocodone for the past 8 years, but still not once has my dose EVER been raised my bottle STILL says "7.5/325 take ONE pill every 4-6 hours as needed for pain" I of course take 8 a day and fill them after a few weeks and my doc is cool with that, but yeah Ive never had to raise my dose 60 mg hydro is the most I have ever needed and that will basicaly cover most or all of the day. I could ask for 10/325s, but I already feel REALLY graetful because around here to not be old and to have a script for 120 norco 7.5s NOT TO MENTION from the same doc 90 klonopin2s 120 somas, and 30 Restoril 30s not to mention I used to get Lyrica when I could aford it and ambien. so anyways yeah my doc is cool enough to trust me that I know whay I need, so I dont abuse him and i appreciate what I have even though I wish I got a little higher dose, its not at all worth risking this relationship because I cant even afford any other pain meds anyways. hydro and methadone are the 2 cheapest pain meds hydros are 50 bones for 120, mdones are even cheaper. so id love mdone script, just like you want and adderall script. but when I think about it, my script is better than what most peopl (everyone I know in real life) has, and it DOES help better than nothing and I am lucky enough that he fills it as early as I need and is willing to give me specific benzos/doses/multiple benzos at once......I mean I really dont abuse it im a fucked up individual and need these drugs at this poitn iny my life, but I realized a LOOOOOONG time ago that anyone can sit there and complain all day to their doctors and make up lies about how hydor makes them sick so they need percocet or other equaly bullshit BULLSHIT-----But how many people stop and think "holy shit. I have a script for 90 OC 40s with 180 hydro tens for breakthrough and 90 valiums to top it off. DAMN I AM FUCKING LUCKY!!!!!" I mean people on the streets would spend their life savings for a collection like that. but to the junky, its never good enough. it will work, but the grass is greener.
consider the fact that you EVEN GET HEALTH care at ALL and if that is a true statement about you consider yourself mighty blessed and praise the lord because so many peopel in this world die every day of starvation or have to LITERALY choose between groceries and the doctor/medicine that month/or all the time. So if you have a problem with your meds, again, the only respectable thing to do is to straight up tell your doctor that something needs to be changed for you to be balanced and content in your own skin. most doctors ARE human bings, people, and should be able to understand that, and as long as you really arent going out of your way to abuse the privledge (asking for specificaly and NO ALTERNATIVES for 500 Desoxyn a month, 800 OC 80s a month, and 600 xanax bars a month along with 180 30 mg adderall) that isnt right. if you ask for JUST what you really need, then I see no reason your doctor would turn you down unless they beleive the medicine would be bad news for you.

also one FINALY note, I promise, is that people either seem to react well to EITHER Methylphedate/Cocaine type drugs OR Amphetamine/Methamphetamine drugs. they are a little different and while one class may be of no use to you the other class may be perfect. but nomraly people dont respond well to both, its usualy one or the other. like people honestly do either prefer Meth or Coke. its not like either willl work they are not interchangable. if you like a little more of a smoothe dopamine cok-ee high than Id reccomend sticking with ritilan. if you like more of a straigh jacked spun go with adderall. but if you want the best ADD medicine in the entire world, ask for NOTHING less than a Reasonable dose of Desosxyn. Tell your doc your cousin gave you one and it felt like you were cured, I dont know im sure you can figure it out

peace

Wow... SWIM never really looked at it that way. When SWIM got the concerta he was really excited to take them. But the thing is, SWIM has tried adderall many many times before, and it works SO much better for him. Methylphenidate just sort of makes SWIM speedy, while amphetamine makes SWIM feel like he can actually direct his life in the exact direction he wants to, it makes everything interesting for him, and gives him that "I CAN DO THIS!!" attitude that he was lacking since he was born. So yeah, he's more tweak less geek. Also, we're not talking about me here, I'm just trying to find good advice for SWIM. If he decides to break the law, thats not my problem Thank SWIY for SWIY's insight, it's actually kind nice to get a different point of view.

[Donmeka]

sad thing VSOP without insurance a month supply of 10mg 2x daily which is 2 pills twice a day so 120 pills is around $450-$500 only reason SWIM is on adderall 30mg 2x daily at all

[Hollow Hippie]

VSOP~on~tap, you need to learn how to make your post much easier to read!

[Davidb711]

Hello all, what a good post here. SWIM is on 80mg of Methadone and 18mg of Concerta. SWIM is monitored by a doctor and takes as perscribed. By doing this SWIM gets to have a good mild day of feeling well and it helps to deal with everyday life with out worrying about having to chasing the dragon on SWIM mind all day.

p.s. , i'm new here and i'm looking foward to being a member here. SWIM has over 15 years of experience of on and off the bumpy road ...

[cra$h]

one could say they don't like what concerta does to swim's personality, but it still helps swiy focus, and possibly a different chemical will help swim's mood

[Chrispy]

Well, in SWIM's opinion Concerta is better anyways. SWIM has tried both and she'll tell you Concerta is 100xs better. She took one Concerta XR and felt high as a kite... Took a sh*tload of Adderall XR and barely even felt a buzz. But that's just SWIM's opinion, it could be different for you and it could be different for me. I know most people prefer Adderall. I'm just saying, SWIM liked Concerta better, so you might too. Don't just assume Adderall is the better of the two.

[destinationowhere]

I've taken massive doses of concerta and just felt kinda speedy/cracked out without any euphoria at all. On the other hand, I've tried adderall many times from friends, and it makes me feel as though I have the ability to figure out how to direct my life in the exact direction I want to. Adderall gives me the complete control, confidence, and motivation that I feel I was lacking my whole life.