UK - Carrying Dog Repellent.

[cannabis-sam]

I apologise if this is in the wrong section. Move if necessary.


SWIM was looking on the net and they sell dog repellents, these things that emit sound inaudible to humans but making dogs uncomfortable, with all the heightened police presence nowadays especially dogs on trains etc, would turning one of these on when dogs are around avoid them picking up any drugs you may have on you. Also could it be placed near a stash during a drugs raid to repel dogs from your stash.

So do these things work to prevent dogs finding drugs. Or are they useless against police dogs.

[Fango]

I'm not an expert by any means, but have a very basic knowledge in animal behavior (fiance is a zoologist). I would imagine that this idea would be ineffective on a police sniffer dog, as they are so well trained and so carefully selected that they would be so intent in performing their role that they will just ignore the sound.

The dogs used for sniffer dogs are by personality job dogs, that is, that they are a breed that is bred to work, this means that they actually feel fulfillment from doing what they are trained to do, and are unlikely to not do it due to an uncomfortable noise.

Police dogs might even be trained to resist the noise.

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	very interesting information. thanks for posting.
	good logic and reasoning
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[SWIM1888]

You can get a basic one for the iPhone. Dont know how good it is mind you and weather police dogs are trained against them.

[Euphoria_bloke]

is there anything that can put a drugs dog off the scent?

[old hippie 56]

Other than creating a vacuum around the object in question...As for the dog deal, might be charged with interfering with police business.

[babymakesbeats]

if swiy were trying to confuse sniffer dogs, swim is sure there are certain pungent essential oils that would overpower their sensitive nostrils.

swim obviously wouldn't do this to break the law, just to irritate the filth, which fortunately, is still legal.

[Euthanatos93420]

Swim has heard that white pepper will damage their olfactory senses permanently.

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by Euthanatos93420

Swim has heard that white pepper will damage their olfactory senses permanently.

ANYTHING that harms the dog is out of the question- they did not choose to be sniffer dogs- sorry but swim and swiy have chosen this path- and have no right to do harm to others. Same goes for the dog repellents in swims humble opinion. It should not need pointing out (but seems it does) that anything that would make a sniffer dog uncomfortable enough to put it off its job would alert its handler- who is guaranteed to have a very close bond with its dog. This will do nothing but guarantee getting busted, and garnering extra harsh treatment.

If you cant do the time don't do the crime. lifes a bitch and all...

[Euthanatos93420]

Tbh, it's not something Swim would choose to do as an ordinary precaution because he loves animals. On the other hand, Swim wasn't the one that declared war. That's like a middle aged pillager coming through to sack Swim's town and he sets a trap to kill horses to help buy him some time while he fled with his family.

The dogs and horses may be retired and injured but who is to blame for their injury is debatable.

[ShroomShaman666]

I dont see the problem in coating your floor in white pepper. I also heard mace works well to irritate the dogs, obviously you wouldnt spray it at them mid-search but lets say you see those wonderful red and blue lights behind you, just pull it out and spray your carpet floor so its pungent enough to cause damage while searching. Take any means you can to not get caught. The idea that the cop does have a good bond with the dog is a good point and 90% of the time they will probably continue the search way further if the dog is hurt in such a way, but if you have a dog searching your car your done anyway, unless its a really bad dog. a friend of mine was lucky enough to drive away clean from a k-9 search with 6 zips of some blue meanies.

ShroomShaman666 added 3 Minutes and 50 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Spare Chaynge

Swim would imagine some deer scent or other animal scent would distract the dog. Put some all over your car and maybe your pet cat in the car too(in a carrier of course) you might be able to distract the dog for a bit. But swim thinks that pretty much the dogs nose is going to work all the time. It is basically a matter of creating a distraction that is great enough for the dog to ignore his job for a temporary time.

Think about it this way if swiys job was to watch a conveyor belt for red items and yell every time swim saw one swiy would probably do it correctly every time. Except that one time when the hot hot girl came over and started flirting with you. It might be just enough of a distraction for some red items to red through.

Good idea but unfortunatly any food or animals are removed from a car to relieve distraction on the dogs. As far as the deer piss goes, theyre trained to well to care about animal piss, they get little rewards for finding drugs

[babymakesbeats]

sorry terapin, but at the end of the day they're a dog, they don't 'choose' anything in our understanding of the word. swim isn't particularly sympathetic to most animals, and would most certainly (and quite rightly imo) choose harming a dog over going to jail.

imagine swim made a big contribution to society, surely it would be better for swim to stay out of jail and help people rather than going to jail for the sake of a dogs nose? i guess swim raises this point because swim implicitly values humans over animals, which is of course a value judgment and an opinion!

swim would also point out that legally, only the trained signs of possession (sitting down usually) are grounds for a search. anything that would make the dog uncomfortable most certainly would not be grounds for arrest or search, just as being uncomfortable around the police is not either (as they so often find out, see ipcc case history or how many cases get dropped by cps because of bad first contact)

swim is of course, speaking from a uk perspective, and it may be very different elsewhere!

swim also respects that some people do value animals greatly, and isn't trying to intentionally rub any dog sympathisers the wrong way!

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by babymakesbeats

swim would also point out that legally, only the trained signs of possession (sitting down usually) are grounds for a search. anything that would make the dog uncomfortable most certainly would not be grounds for arrest or search, just as being uncomfortable around the police is not either (as they so often find out, see ipcc case history or how many cases get dropped by cps because of bad first contact)

swim is of course, speaking from a uk perspective, and it may be very different elsewhere!

Swim can't speak to the UK, but in the US devices that cause sonic discomfort are classiified as non-lethal weapons, and an attack on a police dog is considered the same as an attack on a police officer, hence such a use could be prosecuted as assault on an officer with a non-lethal weapon.
As to the rest of the arguement- this would go out the window because it would switch from a drug to an assault.
As already said, a handler would notice almost immediately something was wrong, would just as quickly realize it was sonic, and in the confined area such a device would be needed/ would work how long do you think it would take the cop to identify the likely suspects??

As to the rest of your reply- I will respectfully strongly disagree- and leave it at that.

[Wierd Logic]

I don't think white pepper would do that in any case...

[bmk]

Swim kept his meth about 7gs at a time in a garage door remote control on his key ring.
Swim has been searched at least a dozen times and when the cops and dogs search me he takes his keys out of the cars ignition and holds his hands with the keys in them up over his head or sit them on the roof of the car.
He always keep a tiny bit of dope in the car for the dog to find and get an on the spot fine. using this method he's never been busted works every time.

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self incrimination, please read the rules, it's swim's dope as it's a fictional story

[babymakesbeats]

haha, way to put a lid on that discussion

[babymakesbeats]

in the uk these devices are not classed as non-lethal weapons.

indeed, many shops now have devices that cause 'sonic discomfort' to keep youths away (though this is being challenged in court by Liberty, but on environmental and human rights grounds, not as a weapon).

in uk criminal law there is also no distinction between assault with or without a weapon (at least on the usual charges), what matters is the degree of harm caused & the intent.

assault would not apply in any case, because a dog is an animal and not a person. the worst that you could expect to suffer would be charges under the animal welfare bill or other animal cruelty charges.

it would seem however, that in the us the law operates differently. it is highly interesting that police dogs count as officers in the states!

thanks for giving a well reasoned & unprejudicial response terapinz, i know animal welfare can be a contentious subject (particularly for those such as yourself who at least appear to be on the animal protection side)

[538wireman]

Swim is not agreeing with one side of this debate or the other, Swim merely wants to point out that as far as the pillager's horse and the drug sniffing dogs are concerned, the horses and the dogs did NOT choose this profession.

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by 538wireman

Swim is not agreeing with one side of this debate or the other, Swim merely wants to point out that as far as the pillager's horse and the drug sniffing dogs are concerned, the horses and the dogs did NOT choose this profession.

Yeah, but either way it's the pillager that turned them into a war-horse/dog, and therefore bears the moral burden, and it's ridiculous to say that someone should sacrifice their life and that of their families to protect the animal.

[538wireman]

Swim was not saying that someone should sacrifice their life and that of their families to protect the animal.

Swim was only pointing out that the animal does not have a choice in the matter, the people do.

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by 538wireman

Swim was not saying that someone should sacrifice their life and that of their families to protect the animal.

Swim was only pointing out that the animal does not have a choice in the matter, the people do.

Well said. The war anolagy worries swims turtle- it is stooping to their level.

Swims turtle will say that we all live in a society of laws. We may not agree with particular ones but must realize there are many others who do not agree with ones that we do agree with. Its a slippery slope.
Swims turtle put his freedom on the line for much of his life for what he believed in- but he was also turtle enough to accept the consequences if caught.
Swims turtle would ask- if a police dog is fair game how about a police officer? Also- Swims turtle realized long ago- If your willing to harm another to save your own skin, your also the type that will roll like a bitch if nailed- because you value yourself above others.

[Burnt]

To find cannabis dogs are trained to sniff out a chemical in the essential oil of marijuana known as caryophyllene oxide. SWIM has always wanted to throw this stuff around a place where cops were just to confuse the heck out of all the dogs. You would only need a milligram or so of the material.

Anyway some kind of essential oils rich are in caryophyllene (not caryophyllene oxide) may be enough to overpower the scent. SWIM isn't sure though.

Either way if the oxide is placed on lets say a backpack in a car the dog would go to that over anything else and if there is nothing in it you can tell the cops their dog is a dumbass. It would be funny if you had no weed at all on you just to show the flaws in their way of seeking out drugs. It may also create a situation where you could make the cops look really bad.

[Valseedian]

swim finds a 'sonic disturber' disguised as a 'working' ipod (plays like 3 songs lol..) or a hearing aid... said to have a distance of over 100 feet... in a crowd this would not really lead anyone to you.

swim finds another built into a pen claims to cause canine disruption up to 250 feet, and a 'song' in mp3 format that dogs bark for miles when I play it on my computer... wouldn't be hard to mesh that into the backround of a good song and play it on your media player of choice, my headphones bother my dog from over 100 feet...

[readeadamie]

Originally Posted by Burnt

To find cannabis dogs are trained to sniff out a chemical in the essential oil of marijuana known as caryophyllene oxide. SWIM has always wanted to throw this stuff around a place where cops were just to confuse the heck out of all the dogs. You would only need a milligram or so of the material.

The essential oil of cannabis is made by steam distilling cannabis buds. Would this proccess destroy the cannabinoid in the cannabis buds or would you be left with a still potent but scentless/unsniffable. What about water curing buds to get rid of the smell? Is this just removing the essential oil over a longer period of time without heat? Also can sniffer dogs detect pure thc? and if not then why dont we extract it.

If you were to get a lot of weed and extract/purify the cannabinoids and then steam distill the buds to extract the essential oil, you could reconstitute the ingredients at their final destination. The cannabinoids and de-scented sinsemillia may be easy to smuggle and the cannabis essential oil should be legal to ship as should no cannabinoids, just the beautiful smell and taste.

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim would imagine some deer scent or other animal scent would distract the dog. Put some all over your car and maybe your pet cat in the car too(in a carrier of course) you might be able to distract the dog for a bit. But swim thinks that pretty much the dogs nose is going to work all the time. It is basically a matter of creating a distraction that is great enough for the dog to ignore his job for a temporary time.

Think about it this way if swiys job was to watch a conveyor belt for red items and yell every time swim saw one swiy would probably do it correctly every time. Except that one time when the hot hot girl came over and started flirting with you. It might be just enough of a distraction for some red items to slip through.

[Spare Chaynge]

Swim would think that you can not un-train instinct. You could probably train it down so that the dog ignores it. But swim would think that most dogs would eventually be corrupted by their owners a bit to much bacon here and their. oops their just a house pet.

But, yes swim thinks the best of the best would see right through this.