going to kick cold turkey

[The Invisible Hand]

Hi, swim has been addicted to dope for about a year. ( injecting for 3 months) he does 7 NYC bags a day. about 2 of his hits a day consist of 2 bags the rest are one bag hits. He is going to do it cold turkey. its been about 3 hours now since his last dose. He heard that the worst is over after 72 hours. He was just wondering if anyone could provide him with any tips to ease wd, anything at all would be extremely helpful. Thank you and wish swim luck... cuz hes deff gonna need it

[cra$h]

benzos help. But to the best of luck. the hardest part is all in swiy's head. keep that strait and swiy's in perfect shape.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by The Invisible Hand

He heard that the worst is over after 72 hours. He was just wondering if anyone could provide him with any tips to ease wd, anything at all would be extremely helpful. Thank you and wish swim luck... cuz hes deff gonna need it

Prepare swiny Aerea, swiny need a Bucked, clean Sheets, Towl (alway`s good) something like Water, maybe some good Bodyoil for the Bathtube...
Magnesium for a little Relife of Bonepain...
A Telephon to call a real Medic...

Do swiny want to do it without medical Stuff like Clonidin or Diazepam?

[ex-junkie]

swim doesnt recommend benzos. they do nothing to help get your sleeping patterns back to normal...

chlonodine however, is awesome to make things that little bit more comfortable, and if swiy takes enough, will sleep quite well at night. 150-200 micrograms before bedtime generally does the trick, however the doctor would never prescribe that amount. its very dangerous to be up and about walking around, or driving, or operating machinery on a chlonodine dose of that height, and if you got low blood pressure already.

usually the blood pressure is high in withdrawals anyways, but safer to check where yours is at before taking that amount. taking that amount a couple times a day made it very easy to detox for swim, however she was also on buprenorphine and promethazine when she detoxed.

during the day, she would take a few promethazine tablets (25MG tablets- i think it was), and the chlonodine in the morning, and at night.

[harrygoldfarp]

Originally Posted by The Invisible Hand

He heard that the worst is over after 72 hours.

Unfortunatly no.. it depends on the individual. but by the sounds of swiy habit.. swiy gonna suffer. probably for ten days hardcore wd's before you start feeling better if swiy go cold turkey no opiates/oids.

The best bit of advice swim can give swiy, better than any drug is someone sympathetic to sit with swiy give cuddles, reasurance, someone who understands what you're goin through.

as for benzos.. well swim wouldnt do them everyday as rebound anxiety can be a problem but they can help.. swim did 60ml of valium on day 6 of swims cold turkey and after not sleeping for 6 days it felt good to get knocked out.. of course it wasnt proper sleep more like being unconcious.

Seriously cold turkey is horrible but it can be done. hell swim did it! in the end i'm glad swim did. tought swim a huge lesson. i always say if you cant do the time dont do the chrime if you know what i mean.

good luck whatever you decide

[dyingtomorrow]

TIH: Can you get a hold of any other drugs?

Clonodine is great and will alleviate a great deal of the muscle and joint pain, as well as the horrible hot and cold ordeal.

Benzos will help you mentally.

Immodium will help stomach and intestinal discomfort a LOT. This is a big one too. SWIM never believed in OTC drugs, but it really does help. IThe chemical is basically a powerful opiate for your guts, and would not be legal because of its opiate nature if it actually crossed the Blood Brain Barrier (which would get you high).

When you are in severe pain, or however much you can do it, lay on the ground in the shower and let the hot water pour all over your pain-wracked body. This is the only thing that can really give you temporary relief.

Get someone to massage you regularly.

Have a pot filled with ice water, and a cold rag. Keep it on your head or neck - it will help you relax.

Get / Buy / Borrow as many DVD sets as you can. Or book series's if you like to read.

Eat Bananas, multivitamins, and a little bit of everything you can for nutrition.

After 3-4 days when you can stand - walk around, do pushups, get some sun. SWIM used to believe this was bullshit, but SWIM promises you that doing the most strenuous exercise your body can handle after a couple days of withdrawals will literally knock multiple days off the total amount of time of acute withdrawals. Exercise is the best way to rebuild your brain's natural opiates. Trust me.

If SWIY can get it - Ketamine is "said" to help with heroin withdrawals A LOT. This would be the #1 thing on SWIM's list if you can get it.


Finally:

DON'T try and knock yourself out by using tons of sleeping meds. After going through countless withdrawals, SWIM can tell you that you aren't going to fucking sleep. You might be able to black yourself out for an hour or so a day with an unhealthy amount of benzos and clonodine, but SWIM sees lots of withdrawing people trying to take ridiculous amounts of Seroquel and Trazidone. It is stupid and not going to help during the acute withdrawal phase. It probably makes the whole thing worse and longer actually; considering the physiological and chemical toll it will take on your weakened brain and body.

[ex-junkie]

benzos seem to prolong the withdrawals, as well as prevent normal sleeping patterns.

5-6 hours of sleep on chlonodine and promethazine is better than none.

[chillinwill]

The Invisible Hand,

Going through opiate withdrawal is an extremely hard process to do. Red Rock and many others have used this forum for support while undergoing the arduous task. Check out A how-to guide to opiate detoxification written by Dickon. It is an excellent resource and a great guide to begin to look at. Let me know if you have any questions

[Sib]

Clonidine is an old fashioned blood pressure medication; one that works specifically well to diminish the side-effects of opioid withdrawal. Many PCP's are not familiar with the helpful properties of Clonidine.

It is non-addicting. When using Clonidine in a non-supervised medical environment, a blood pressure cuff should be purchased to avoid the risks of hypotension.

Use of Clonidine has specific clinical signs attached to it; blood pressure and pulse readings.
The usual dose of Clonidine (p.o) is .1mg 3x per day. There are patches available as well, though they are not as effective. They tend to get wet in a shower and lose their potency.

Clonidine can help minimize the following WD side-effects; panic/anxiety; hole in gut; heebie-jeeebies, kicking leg sensation, sleep issues. Some have reported that it also helps with associated sweats.
When taking Clonidine you may experience a dry mouth and sense of lethargy....feeling like you're walking through mud. Guard against any quick, sudden movements like picking up your head too quickly.

Do not take Clonidine before getting into a hot bath or shower.

Clonidine is not meant to cause you to zonk out. It is simply to lower the blood pressure, so do not look to mimic effects you would be seeking from a benzo or addicting sleep medication.

When stopping Clonidine, it's important to t*trate down the dose at the end....do not stop cold. It will cause a spike in blood pressure.

The medication can be taken both during a taper phase as well as during acute WD.

Clonidine requires an RX. It is also very cheap. It is the only prescription medication that I personally recommend.
Don't hesitate to get it....you have nothing to lose except the sensation of jumping out of your skin.

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	good info
	so much sense and valid information.

[harrygoldfarp]

sounds to me like clonidine > win

go see your croaker see if you can get a script.

[kaloochi]

First off, good luck. In uk the smallest bag/wrap you can get is £XX and that's about .2 of a gram. 7 of those is 1.4g. Maybe you're on a little less being X, say a gram. A cold turkey from that amount can be done but you'rte going to need to get your head in the right place as thats where the battle is lost or won. Heroin wds peak at day 3, sometimes 4 and then it's a slow recovery. When you get that far into the wds you can tell yourself you've done the worst, that it's not going to get any harder and you can take some comfort from that.
Good Luck

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no points subtracted- just a reminder to not talk about street values.