Dose - heroin overdoses

[mashed]

swim heard somewhere that the most painless and peacefull way to die is by heroin od
(also that the second was drowning cant see that as very peacefull myself though )
is this true?
what happens with a heroin od does it just kill by respitory depression?
and it only possible by slamming?
thanks very much

[nick23]

Originally Posted by mashed

swim heard somewhere that the most painless and peacefull way to die is by heroin od
(also that the second was drowning cant see that as very peacefull myself though )
is this true?
what happens with a heroin od does it just kill by respitory depression?
and it only possible by slamming?
thanks very much

You can od by any route of administration,but shooting is much more likely to cause od.

A lot of dopers say that an od would be their choice to check out.Swim isn't so sure.

Oh and yeah junk is a cns depressant.So resp depression,stop breathing,heart stops,brain damage and death.

[trannyboy]

It probably is one of the better ways to die. You basically just fall asleep but in those moments before you sleep anything can happen. You might regret your choice or come to terms with death. In my experience most people who have talked about this with me speak of panic and fear of death in those few moments but not all. In the past during suicide attempts for me it ran the gaumt of panic/ regret and accepting what was happening. I have watched people die peacefully but that usually only happens after a long life having done what they knew was right without regrets.

In terms of the actual effects, it depends on the dosage. If it is just enough they usually pass out and then stop breathing shortly, if it is a massive overdose then it will be very quick with respiratory depression followed by the heart stopping. I personally don't find drowning to be in anyway quick or peaceful.

trannyboy

[dyingtomorrow]

On heroin, you wouldn't care if Satan himself showed up with a legion of Hellspawn and creatively vivisected you slowly over the course of 10,000 years with Marquis De Sade outsourced as Operations Manager. So yeah, having your breathing stop from a Heroin OD is the best way to go.

[Spucky]

Dieing by a Heroin-Overdose is mostly a very slow and painfull Death,
Before Swiny Die your Body stop Breathing, so the Brain stopps to Work.
So Swiny loose every kind of Information, you can not speak anymore,
you cannot Walk, you can`t Eat, etc, etc.
It must be like 100% Alzheimer.

In Swims Opinion there are many other Way to die much more easy
and much more "Painless"!

Many Times the Reader see only the "perfect Death, the Golden OD"
but most of the Time People dont Die,
go and ask some Medics they can tell you gruelsome Story`s
about this People

Reputation Comments on this post:

	how could it be painful at all
	Panic is true enough for many OD's. The respiratory drive shuts down before the brain stops thinking OR the heart stops...

[trannyboy]

Your right about what medics see, spunky. In addition the people I referenced in my last post were people who had attempted suicide, most of them weren`t peaceful but frantic, panicked, frightened and regretful in the moments prior to unconsciousness. It is possible to experience peace prior to death or near death but it isn`t common or the norm.

trannyboy

[Junkhead23]

It isn't painful.

Pacman has overdosed and it isn't really nice to be fair. Panicking takes over and everything kinda goes blurry but after that you pretty much don't know anything until revived and even then Pacman was fuzzy. Good job he wasn't addicted back then!!

Pacman definitely did feel frightened though.

Apparently the best way to go is a speedball because you really don't feel anything

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

It isn't painful.

Apparently the best way to go is a speedball because you really don't feel anything

In Swims Opinion it will be even more Painfull,
a Heart-Attack or a Snap Of the Aorta swiny cant get without any Pain!

There are many "more" Painless alternatives,

Trust me!

Spucky added 2 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

Sorry, but what swim is saying: it is not easy to die,
many Times People don`t have enough to fall into a acut Koma.

[ex-junkie]

when swim overdosed, she wasnt aware of it. she just went to sleep...

fairplay she didnt die, but she had stopped breathing, and her heart rate was 5bpm. had absolutely no clue.

edit: she remembers injecting it, putting the cap back on the syringe, and thats it tbh.

[tyranny4u]

as told in another thread, the tyrant was clinical dead after shooting
himself an intended overdose, three gramms of very acceptable quality.

the "friends" that found him next day already had apportioned tt's property
when tt came out of hospital:
one guy was a proud owner of a new leather jacket (after cleaning it
from puke), an addicted girl at first grabbed the spoon tt had used, later
tt heared, what was left on the spoon and in the filter was enough to
keep her in the house for two days, slightly stoned...and so on. these
bloody bast****

when being "dead" or whatever that state was seen from biological /
medical point of view, the tyrant had seen the medical stuff around him
and himself on the bed, from above. tt was comatose 4 days and nights -
of course in artificial coma while the last 2 or 3 days.

but he remembers nothing else, just that scene seing it all from above
(while his parents sat outside the room, tt's agnostic father praying to the
lord not to let his first born die, as the doctor said to them that he would).
well, don't let me tell sad stories, the thing was that it was absolutely
painless. the only pain tt had was when he hit that fat needle in a vein
that already was hurt and doing the shooting so fast to let in all of the
stuff (still remembers, it was a bright brown powder, the syringe looked like
it was full of cola syrup after cooking and filling.

and any other unintended overdose, almost because of dramatical change
in H concentration (used to shoot containing 20% H, then bought a new
baggie few days later, same colour, same smell, but having and not
knowing about 60% H in the mix now) didn't hurt, either. only one overdose
was painful, it was a so called "delayed overdose". the tyrant collapsed in
the garden, fell in mom's flowerbed, where also roses were grown.

tt made the opposite experience after hitting a near to deadly OD of
crappy cocaine that seemed that it was cut with too much of a synthetic
local acting anaesthetic substance ("dentist coce") and other active sub-
stance(s) used for cutting and giving a special kick at the same time.
having that shot outside in utrecht/netherlands, tt stood up, thought
"wow, fat dope". he walked 200 meters, lightened a cigarette and suddenly
had to put his arms around a traffic lights rod in order not to collapse on
the street. he stood there for 10 minutes that felt like 10 hours, thinking
loops that echoed in his head: "oh my god my heart it hurts i can't breath,
that dealing ***ker shall die, not me" and again that "sentences" repeated
while his forehead went hotter and hotter ... on a november evening that
wasted guy sweated like he had just won a marathon.

Reputation Comments on this post:

i love your honesty, and this post is touching.

[SmokeNmirrors]

Swim would probably prefer that way of dying then most deaths. least swim will die with a smile on his face..maybe. Just dying that way would be a nice way to go but for swims parents and family it would be devastating and would hurt even more then swim just dying.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim doesnt think that od'ing on any substance should be the way to go. Swim doesnt think that "checking out" yourself should be an option at any age where your not loosing your rubles...
Swim would definitely toss in the towel if he was so old and fucked up that he couldnt take care of himself anymore. If he were in a situation where his mind and body were giving up. That is the only time swim finds it acceptable to flip that switch yourself. Suicide is the weak way out...

Reputation Comments on this post:

	suicide is not weak
	Mental illness and/or depression are complex issues: calling them "weak" is ridiculously ignorant

[chuchu]

Any route of administration can lead to od. Bioavailability is highest in iv and therefore has the highest od stats. Death by drowning is not peaceful the first 60-90 seconds the victim struggles for breath while their heads are above water and hold their breath when under. The next stage involves aspirating the water a very painful exp where oxygen absorbing tissue is covered by the water. Then comes a stage known as laryngospasm where the airway seals shut slipping the victim into a calm and tranquil mood aka loss of motor control then shortly death. Heroin od is not this dramatic as the victim just goes into a coma.

[Spucky]

Okay, there are many Difference here.

Why we not say: sometimes it`s not Painfull and sometimes it is?

It is impossible to give the ultimative Answer,
because we dont know the circumstances!

[Junkhead23]

Those that say suicide is weak willed and cowardly have never been in that situation. Believe Pacman it takes mega balls to kill yourself. Going against our primal instinct self preservation

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by Junkhead23

Those that say suicide is weak willed and cowardly have never been in that situation. Believe Pacman it takes mega balls to kill yourself. Going against our primal instinct self preservation

It's disturbing how hard most people try NOT to understand things that they dislike, or "wouldn't care to think about."

[mashed]

dying tomorrow- swim couldnt agree more.
swim gave the poster of "Suicide is the weak way out..."
negative rep, because theyve obviousley never been in that situation and yet are critcising it
everyone here who has been in that situation knows what im taking about...that thought proccess off dont wanna live but its scary too die

[trannyboy]

It is harder to live then it is to die but both take courage of a sort. I would never say either is weak, because we don't know what they have been through to bring them to the point that they are forced to choose between life and death. No one should judge another because you can never be in their shoes even with the same life experiences. I am not a weak man but I have at times choosen death over life and at other times choosen life over death. Both choices were excruciatingly hard and both lead me in different directions. I regret nothing about those choices, they were all I could make in the moment I was dealing with. Good luck to everyone on this thread and any who read it. Life and death are both hard is different ways. Judgement will not lead to a solution it will just lead to more desperation that will lead to more oppertunities to have to make this choice.

trannyboy

This thread reminds me of something I heard once "those that do not know should ask questions and listen, and those that know should speak and listen."

[SmokeNmirrors]

Swim agrees suicide is not weak, swim has had depression and other problems for years and has tried but swim always has backed down or when swim tried overdosing he somehow survived due to tolerance but now swim is better with his life unless he is withdrawing then swim wishes he would just keel over but any who swim has to say people who commit suicide are not weak to be in that bad of a mental state that the option is suicide is horrible and most people don't seem to understand so there is no reason to judge.