Opinions - CWE Impatience

[HorseBucket]

Swims been experimenting with CWE's of different pills and for some reason pre powderised capsules dont give swim any trouble but when swim CWE's the solid capsules the filtration process takes 20 times longer. Swim gets impatient and squeezes the filters to speed it up but if he ever spots a tear in the filter paper he'll redo it. Is this dangerous? Is swim being careless by squeezing the filters to speed up the filtration?

Swim usually dumps lots of gunk that settles at the bottom he never pours that crap into the filter he doesn't care if he loses a bit of codeine. After that he filters about 5 times but he gets impatient when the filtration goes too slow so squeezes. Really what swims wondering is how much APAP/Ibuprofen is likely to be in the gunk that settles at the bottom of the solution when its cold. Theres a hefty amount of the shit but swim knows most of its binders and fillers and other bullshit.

Swim also wonders how long it would take before he noticed symptoms of ibuprofen overdose. If they come on rapidly then people could drink small amounts and wait a while before taking more.

[Narcoticated]

SWIM could very well be wrong about this, but it's probably not in SWIY's best interest to leave the gunk on the bottom and not filter it with the rest. SWIM would assume there'd be a lot of codeine hiding in there.

Filter 5 times? Sorry but SWIY is being overly paranoid. Honestly, filter once (twice if it's still pretty mucky) and drink it. SWIY should realize that more than likely, a good 80% of the tylenol/ibu is removed from one rushed filtering. SWIY is not going to overdose. Relax.

Personally for filtering, SWIM squeezes it just at the end when it's mostly just gunk in the filter, to get any remaining codeine out of there.

[HorseBucket]

Originally Posted by nferris

SWIM could very well be wrong about this, but it's probably not in SWIY's best interest to leave the gunk on the bottom and not filter it with the rest. SWIM would assume there'd be a lot of codeine hiding in there.

Filter 5 times? Sorry but SWIY is being overly paranoid. Honestly, filter once (twice if it's still pretty mucky) and drink it. SWIY should realize that more than likely, a good 80% of the tylenol/ibu is removed from one rushed filtering. SWIY is not going to overdose. Relax.

Personally for filtering, SWIM squeezes it just at the end when it's mostly just gunk in the filter, to get any remaining codeine out of there.

Swim thought about this. He may be losing lots of codeine by dumping the gunk too soon. This time he saved the gunk and did a CWE on it just there. He'll find out now if there was any more codeine in there by observing any added effects he gets.

Thanks for reassuring swim though hes definitely losing codeine because of his excessive filtrations. He'll calm down with the filtrations next time and just settle for 1 or 2 filtrations.

[honourableone]

Carrying out the whole CWE process again on the ibuprofen gunk may not be a good idea. It will mean using twice as much water overall, meaning twice as much ibuprofen will be in the final product for a minimal increase in codeine. That could make a big difference for your liver, and I don't think it's worth it. The gunk wont have that much codeine in it.

[Hamburglar]

Has SWIY ever tried using pills containing aspirin & codeine (AC&C) for his CWE?

My pet platypus has observed that aspirin filters more than twice as fast as acetaminophen or ibuprofen, and that squeezing the filter is rarely required.

[HorseBucket]

Originally Posted by Hamburglar

Has SWIY ever tried using pills containing aspirin & codeine (AC&C) for his CWE?

My pet platypus has observed that aspirin filters more than twice as fast as acetaminophen or ibuprofen, and that squeezing the filter is rarely required.

No aspirin isn't as common here as it is in Canada. Swim used to live in Canada and aspirins everywhere but he lives back in Ireland now and its all paracetamol (acetaminophen). Did swiy find that ibuprofen goes slower than APAP? Swim thinks this is probably due to the types of pills though because he was CWEing capsules of powder containing APAP/Codeine/Caffeine before so that means no binders.

N+ on the other hand doesn't come in capsules it comes in tablets so swim thinks it might be the binders clogging up the filters.

[nevelshaze]

what aspirin are swiy talking about? i live n canada and theres reguler asipirin but that just has 1 chemical written on it and its not apap or codeine. is there apirin with codeine thats easier to get then tylenol 1's?

[trannyboy]

I would say that aspirin with codeine (also called two twenty-twos) is just as easy to get as acetaminophen with codeine at least in Canada. SWIM prefers the 222s because the aspirin is an anti-inflammatory and after an acute muscular or skeletal injury there is a slight risk of a blood clot forming which the aspirin decreasing the danger of.

trannyboy

[hamsterdam]

swim's advice to you:

Buy a cheap scale that measures in at least centigrams (0.01 gram), weigh your pills before and the DRIED residue after and see how much weight's gone missing.

Then you can figure out the maximum possible quantity of apap that made it through

And yes.. all the waxy binders in those pills you smashed up definitely will clog the filter up more then apap ever will.

So squeeze all you want, hell, even if it rips and only a little spill, don't redo it, weigh the dried residue and that's the surefire way to know if what ur doing is safe or not.

[Hamburglar]

Nevelshaze.... a person in Canada can walk up to any pharmacist and request "a bottle of aspirin with codeine". One can get the generic brand for cost savings. They come in bottles of 30, 100, and 200. One could say "I would like the biggest bottle because it'll probably be cheaper in the long run," laugh, and then comment, "lifetime supply!".

SWIM knows that's a good way to go through the process.

[ElliottSmith]

My uncle has a pet salamander named Drake

Drake likes to use a cloth filter (so there is no chance of it ripping) made from a dress shirt (who knew salamanders wore shirts!) the first time, and he squeezes the living crap drop from all that gunk. the result is very milky.
Then he discards the gunk, and then re-filters the water he previously squeezed out. if need be he might re-filter that water twice.
The result is much clearer liquid happiness.
He then sits back and enjoys a worry free, cool glass of bitter water.

At least that is what my uncle told me, and since his salamander is of impeccable character (aside from being a codeine junkie) I suspect it is true.

[The.KK]

Originally Posted by ElliottSmith

My uncle has a pet salamander named Drake

Drake likes to use a cloth filter (so there is no chance of it ripping) made from a dress shirt (who knew salamanders wore shirts!) the first time, and he squeezes the living crap drop from all that gunk. the result is very milky.
Then he discards the gunk, and then re-filters the water he previously squeezed out. if need be he might re-filter that water twice.
The result is much clearer liquid happiness.
He then sits back and enjoys a worry free, cool glass of bitter water.

At least that is what my uncle told me, and since his salamander is of impeccable character (aside from being a codeine junkie) I suspect it is true.

SWIM likes this idea. Get most the junk out through a cloth, the process doesn't take long at all. And then filter it with something better... less junk will be clogging the filter that way, and it will be just a bit faster.

[former]

my friend has been experimenting all day. Aspirin it seems the way to go as the whole process is easier Lots of caffeine though as he was using aces( A1s/8mgs). He used the grapefruit juice and found it quite pleasant. When he saw all the stuff left over he was thankful that crap didn't go through his stomach and liver. He was grateful to be out of pain. From now on he is going to use them with his T3's. He wishes he had known this many years ...well..I did but not at this level of accuracy. Still,as with anything from sugar to alcohol...whatever one's poison is BE CAREFUL!!!! Take it from an old campaigner, use common sense. My friend wants me to thank all who "shared" this health tip.

[nevelshaze]

so hamburglers, aspirin with codeine is that easy? swim assumes theres more then 8 mg of codeine ? and that this is just as easy to obtain is tylenol 1's?

[Hamburglar]

Originally Posted by nevelshaze

so hamburglers, aspirin with codeine is that easy? swim assumes theres more then 8 mg of codeine ? and that this is just as easy to obtain is tylenol 1's?

Yes, it is just as easy to obtain as tylenol #1. Just ask the pharmacist.

But no, the pills only contain 8mg of codeine. That is the maximum allowable non-prescription amount in Canada.

[nevelshaze]

kk swim wil have to switch to those. it always sketches swim out when he has to say "aspirin with "codeine"" saying tylenol ones sounds much less suspicious. since swim is a teen.

[smeghead]

Originally Posted by nevelshaze

kk swim wil have to switch to those. it always sketches swim out when he has to say "aspirin with "codeine"" saying tylenol ones sounds much less suspicious. since swim is a teen.

haha, this reminds SWIM of when he was in Spain... don't know a word of Spanish, and as SWIM was withdrawing, he went to the nearest Farmacia and asked for "Codeine".

The Pharmacist laughed then handed SWIM 20 30/500mg Codeine and Paracetamol tablets...

SWIM sometimes has two setups, two cups, two filters etc and splits his dose between the two setups. It's quicker but SWIM reckons you lose a bit of Codeine in the process.

smeghead added 3 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

How come some people say never use a cloth?
SWIM's used a tightly woven 100% cotten tea towel and it works very good, almost water-clear results and filters relatively quickly.

SWIM did use a 50% cotton, 50% polyester cloth as a filter, and it sucked. The results were practically opaque. SWIM was desperate and drank it anyway - well, tried to. He got half-way through and vomited the dose straight back up. His body must have been telling him "this is poison".

[nevelshaze]

ya great idea swims useing a cloth for his next filtration. maybe sum old undershirt will be good enough. n no fear of rips

[uncynd]

SWIM used bounty paper towels doubled up, the solution comes much faster (5-10 minutes) and 100% clear. I'm sure there are skeptics but SWIM did this for about a year, at the end of SWIM's use he had his kidneys and liver tested, both were in perfect condition.

SWIM'll admit that SWIM drank way too many cloudy solutions probably 15% of SWIM's doses were a bit cloudy from SWIM getting impatient and squeezing the filter. I would definitely recommend making doses well in advance, but SWIM can't honestly say he ever did that maybe once.

Take Care

uncynd added 5 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

Always remember that any codeine containing product in Canada (except for tylenol 4) ALL contain 15mg of caffeine per pill, be careful not to drink a bunch of coffee then take a big dose of T1s because the caffeine is very soluble in water and you could o/d on caffeine (something that SWIM's pretty sure he has done). THIS IS ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS IF YOU ARE USING A POTENTIATOR, because you may also potentiate the caffeine.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Squeezing the filter does let more APAP through, although weather this is dangerous in your case or not depens on numerous factors such as the type of filter used, the amount of water used, the color of the solution...

But your best bet is to never squeeze the filters.If your filters get clogged easily then I suggest you look at swim's guide "Robo's Refined CWE" in the CWE FAQ (Drugs-Wiki).

[Ilsa]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Squeezing the filter does let more APAP through, although weather this is dangerous in your case or not depens on numerous factors such as the type of filter used, the amount of water used, the color of the solution...

But your best bet is to never squeeze the filters.If your filters get clogged easily then I suggest you look at swim's guide "Robo's Refined CWE" in the CWE FAQ (Drugs-Wiki).

swi-robo makes valid points, here's another thread on the same topic:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84807

if possible, aspirin is easiest to filter via CWE, as it's pretty water-insoluble. iso, more filtration is better--the clearer the final product the better. yes, it may be more gratifing to get it done NOW, but one needs their liver and kidneys in the long run. it's always better to err on the side of caution and risk losing a bit of the codiene. it's simple cost (a little lost codiene now) benefit (saving major organs in the long run) analysis.

be safe and namaste

[malsat]

An easy way to test the efficiency of your technique is to weigh the powder prior to extraction and then weigh the *dry* product from the filter paper. Through this method you can discover the total matter coming through into your filtrate.

[nevelshaze]

swim tried useing cloth today. was swims first time useing aspirin pills to and it turned out rather weird. swim squeezed all the water out and was left with the white aspirin left and it pretty uch felt like wet sand. and the water was very couldy but could tell did not have alot of things in it. after filtering through a coffee filter 2 times it was still kinda cloudy enough. swim thinks this is becaue of the aspirin. it had alot more sour taste then the bitter taste of tylenols. but overall swim things useing cloth for the first filtration is a good method if you wanna filter fast an get the most codeine out of the batch. but swim advises that you filter atleast 2 times through coffee filters because alot makes it through in the water.

[Hamburglar]

Originally Posted by nevelshaze

swim tried useing cloth today. was swims first time useing aspirin pills to and it turned out rather weird. swim squeezed all the water out and was left with the white aspirin left and it pretty uch felt like wet sand. and the water was very couldy but could tell did not have alot of things in it. after filtering through a coffee filter 2 times it was still kinda cloudy enough. swim thinks this is becaue of the aspirin. it had alot more sour taste then the bitter taste of tylenols. but overall swim things useing cloth for the first filtration is a good method if you wanna filter fast an get the most codeine out of the batch. but swim advises that you filter atleast 2 times through coffee filters because alot makes it through in the water.

This is unusual. My donkey's CWE's result in an almost perfectly clear solution.

My donkey suggests that you follow these very simple steps:

- Add your desired amount of aspirin/codeine pills into a glass with 50-75ml of hot (but not boiling) water. More water is NOT better.

- Allow the solution to cool in the fridge for 45 minutes.

- Use a circular brown coffee filter to filter the solution into a separate glass. Give this process 10-15 minutes.

- Throw away filter + nasty white stuff; drink solution; chill out and listen to some good tunes.


... by the way, when SWIM runs into a skeptical pharmacist, he tells them that his dentist recommended the pills for tooth pain. He then explains that they do a much better job than standard aspirin, and that he's had them before.