How to get RC’s out of bag

[William_Again]

I recently got some 2C-E and 2C-D and due to some scale problems I
asked my source to put them in various 10mg bags and 200mg bags but I
didnt think that with such a small amount in a bag that it would be
tricky to get all the powder out, but it is, the powder tends to stick
to the sides and clumps up. What do you guys do or what can I do to
make sure I get as much out without losing product?

[club222]

SWIM has found this to be a pain in the ass also. When SWIM finished
his bag of Foxy, or so he thought it was done, he tore the bag open and
drug a razor across the insides of the bag many times. This yielded
~6mg stuck to the insides of the bag. It was such a small amount spread
out over the bag he just couldn't see it at all. If the bags that you
have are already in 10mg increments then you could try the razor
technique that SWIM used, and if you plan on finishing the 10mg baggie
then just lick the insides of the bag as much as you can.

[gn2osis]

The best way to get it all out, if you use the "water method", is flush
the bag out several times and collect all the liquid. Be sure to
use a solvent that will dissolve the RC, like alcohol or dilute aqueous
acid (like lemon juice).

Of course, you'll want to know precisely how much you've
collected. The only way to be certain is to first weigh the bag
with the powdery residue, and then after washing the bag out, let it
dry completely and then weigh it again. The difference = how much
RC you've washed out.

If you are truly certain that your source has weighed exactly (say) 100
mg into the bag, you can just use a known amount of liquid to wash it all
into a container and not bother with the weighing step.

I don't recommend licking unknown quantities of material under any
circumstances if the material is psychoactive in the milligram range (i.e., just about any RC).

Edited by: gn2osis

[club222]

I would only lick the bag if I knew beforehand like he does that the
bags were weighed out to 10mg per bag, and you were planning on taking
10mg from the beginning, then you could just take the whole bag and
lick it..

[Solidly-here]

If someone weighs it out for you, make it easy to see.


If I asked a Source to measure-out some product for me, I would ask him to pour it into a gelatin capsule. Therefore, you could have a 10mg cap, a 20 mg cap, a 17.3 mg cap.


The good news about gelatin capsules is that RCs tend to NOT stick to them: What you see is what you (will) get.


This is the method I use whenI measure-out doses. I know what 20 mg looks like in the bottom of a capsule; I pour some into another capsule; I carefully compare them; POOF! Now I have a 20 mg dose.


If I want a little bit more, I can (1) eyeball-in a little bit, or (2) create another 20 mg dose, pour it out, cut it in half, pour that extra in with the first dose.

[gn2osis]

^ not a reliable method. Density of powder isn't consistent
enough to rely on eyeballing under any circumstances. Please use
a scale or the so-called water method.

[korky8097]

i just add the alcohol to the baggie, tape the corners and edges, use a
syringe to get the desired amount of liquid, and dose. This is
only for amounts im going to use within a few weeks.

[William_Again]

I tried that razor blade thing with a bag of 2c-e....lets just say I
lost some decent product and it didn't go well, the razor blade was
bigger than the bag and it basically shredded the bag (and before you
say anything I was careful I didn't just dig into it like wild boar)



I found that a small butter knife works well at getting powder off the corners and sides of the bag.

[Dreeker]

a great way i have found is to use a mixer (taken from a chemistry set/room of course)


it is a metal tweezer like thing, with a wide base about this size ( ) very handy for takin RC out of the bag. or if u would like to take everything out, i would dump it int o a teflon coated non electricially charged bag, the ones they store computer parts in, it is very handy and almost nothing sticks to it





Stay safe,know your source and know your dosage!

[club222]

Originally Posted by William_Again

I tried that razor blade thing with a bag of 2c-e....lets just say I
lost some decent product and it didn't go well, the razor blade was
bigger than the bag and it basically shredded the bag (and before you
say anything I was careful I didn't just dig into it like wild boar)



I found that a small butter knife works well at getting powder off the corners and sides of the bag.

How did the razor shred the bag? It was a plastic bag right? Sorry
about losing your product, I wouldn't have suggested it if it hadn't
worked for me before.

[radiometer]

I'd suggest using scissors or such to open the bag into a flat shape first,
maybe some people aren't doing that? Then you can scrape gently to
remove what you can.

[William_Again]

It was a tiny bag and I cut the bag open before I started doing
anything, but the razor blade was a bit to sharp and a bit to big for
the bag and it started tearing at the inside as I scraped it along and
with less pressure the razor blade wasn't catching all the powder. The
lemon juice worked better and so did using a flat unsharp butter knife.



Though the razor blade is not out of the picture, I use it to scrape
any product off the counter top and off of my scale that I might spill
(and I will spill some as I am a messy weigher).

[TheLight01]

I always use a razor, this tends to get everything out and relatively good dosed.

[blindpanda_eric]

SWIM just bought 500 Gelatin Capsules for this very reason.
SWIM's source is in real life, and SWIM just gives the capsules to his
source, and the source takes care of the rest.

[Triple7]

That idea with lemon I like.. how much should one take?? Mix lemon
drops with drops of water?? Could the RC react with the lemon if one
drops them right into the bag?? Or, how about first mix some lemon
drops and water and then draw it into the syringe.. empty the syringe
into the bag... and then suck all the contents back into the syrringe..



.. I just had an idea.. wouldn't it be nice with some water proof
gelcaps that would disolve in the stomach. Dose into these gel caps
with some water method.



Make your first million $, invent that gel cap for us!!

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by Triple7

That idea with lemon I like.. how much should one take?? Mix lemon
drops with drops of water??

About 2 parts water, 1 part lemon juice is fine.

Could the RC react with the lemon if one
drops them right into the bag??

Won't react, but should dissolve much quicker (relative to just using water). This is true for most RC's.

Or, how about first mix some lemon
drops and water and then draw it into the syringe.. empty the syringe
into the bag... and then suck all the contents back into the syrringe..

Bingo!

Anyway, Radiometer's idea about cutting the bag open and scraping off
the residue with a razor blade is also very good, and should get almost
everything out.

[raven3davis]

It is definitely a bitch to get the powder outa the bag, but if you are going to dilute in liquid, then SWIM just measures out the liquid, 500ml, then sucks up a few ml with a syringe and injects into baggie, washes out a few times, and that normally does the trick. If SWIM is weighing the doses out, he just scoops them with a knife and makes sure to add a little bit at a time.

[daeron]

swim likes to flood the rest w 96% EtOH,than gently evap it.if anything remains

Originally Posted by radiometer

open the bag into a flat shape
Then you can scrape gently to
remove what you can.

[Sklander]

SWIM bought a milligram scale online. However, SWIM prefers to dilute his chemicals in some kind of liquid. SWIM finds this to be the most accurate way of measuring doses.


Has anyone had any luck with gel capping machines? You could obviously mix an RC with a filler like vitamin C.

[nanobrain]

^as per individual dose premeasured for individual caps? yes.

otherwise, since the particle properties for filler and active are different, in no way will a standardised mixture be achieved.

[glogga]

the powder tends to stick to the sides and clumps up. What do you guys do or what can I do to make sure I get as much out without losing product?

You could try this:

1) weigh the total weight of the bag plus the chem stuck on the sides of the bag.

2) put the bag into a container of solvent that will dissolve your research chem. If its a salt, water will be fine. Otherwise you might need acidic water or a solvent. Depends on what specifically your research chemical is.

3) Let the bag dry and weigh it agian. The difference gives you total weight of what you dissolved into the sovent.

4) Let solvent evaporate, or, if its water, chug it down.

[dogcow]

2ce sticks to EVERYTHING found razorblades to be useless on it. I use the "slurpee" plastic spoons you can get for free at 7-11, they work nearly the same as the little metal spatulas you use in chemistry lab. Although im pretty sure those are easilly purchased online if you know the actual name for them.





-dc

[Ephemerides]

2c-e even sticks to mirrors, it's fucken nuts.

[Toltec]

Swim has some of the spongy kind, it also sticks to glass! He used a razor to scrap it up and weigh it. Thanks to the pschedeic gods watching over him, that he did not lick it up first!! it weighed 25+mg's.

[Each Hit]

swim has noticed that 2c-i tends to be very adhesive also. swim figured it had to do with the micro-crystalline structure of said chemical.