Living entire lifes while unconscious

[coelho]

Well... ive read some interesting reports about some people who seemed to have lived an entire lifetime while unconscious... this two reports tells their stories:

Originally Posted by Robert Peterson

Another experience happened when I was a little older, perhaps 14 or 15. I used to have playful wrestling matches with two other boys.

One day we were talking about wrestling, and got on the subject of the world-famous wrestling hold called "the sleeper hold." The hold would knock an opponent out by cutting off blood circulation to the brain. Anyway, we all wondered what it would be like to be knocked out. FD was the strongest of the three and the third boy was afraid, so I agreed to let FD knock me out with a bear-hug.

We went outside and he gave me the strongest bear-hug I've ever experienced. I couldn't breathe and soon became unconscious. It was like waking from a dream; this world was a dream and I awoke to a reality more real and vivid than this world is. I saw the illusion of this existence on Earth dispelled! It faded away and I didn't regret it. Soon I found myself in the "real" world in a huge city that I already knew.

My memory seemed to return--Yes--I had gone to sleep and dreamed of a little place called "Earth" and now I was awake. "That was a silly dream" I thought, and I soon forgot all about "Earth." I continued my life, just like before I fell asleep. I lived in that fantastic city for years and years--centuries it seemed. I lived there so long that I COMPLETELY forgot all about Earth. For hundreds of years I had forgotten Earth. If someone was to ask me about it, I couldn't remember, since it happened so long ago.

Then one day I was walking to a store. Suddenly a confusing loss of direction hit me and I felt myself falling. Suddenly I opened my eyes only to see strange leaves, the sky and FD and the other boy looking at me! Where was I now? How did I get here? What happened? Then I remembered: Hundreds of years ago, I fell asleep and found myself here. This place was called "Earth" and was a part of a weird dream. I must have fallen asleep again. Slowly my Earthly memory returned. I asked the boys how long I had been unconscious. They said only a few minutes. They asked me what happened, and I told them I didn't want to talk about it.

(From Robert Peterson - Out of Body Experiences - Chapter 2)

Originally Posted by Jim deKorne

By the winter of 1971 (...) we were living in my house in the mountains of New Mexico. (...) One bitterly cold January dusk we drove over to Taos to have supper with some friends of my wife. I didn't know these people very well, and when the husband arrived home late from his job as a ski instructor it was obvious that he was dead tired and had completely forgotten that we'd been invited to be dinner guests that evening. In short, he was barely civil to us, evoking in everyone, his wife in particular, an understandably awkward embarassment.

In an attempt to smooth out the social ambiance, she torched up a joint which was duly passed around among the adults at the supper table. It was a mistake for me to have smoked any, because I was not at all prepared for the unconscious wave of hostility which continued to emerge from our host.

This was totally non-verbal, unrelated to his overt behavior (which by then was quite civil), and was experienced by me as a palpable force which attacked my solar plexus -- sort of like psychically having the wind kicked out of me. (...)

Later I was to learn that this man had been studying Native American (especially Navajo) witchcraft for several years, but I must emphasize that at this point I don't think he was aware that he was doing anything to me -- the whole experience had a dark, unconscious quality to it. Also, I did know him well enough to be able to assume a general goodwill on his part -- when he wasn't tired and unconscious anyway.

That didn't help me much, however. I'd already allowed the cannabis to open up my normal ego defenses and I began to feel like I was going to faint. I quickly realized that I was actually in a state of shock and that I was about to pass out! I stumbled from the table, blathering something about needing to "get some fresh air." The night-time temperatures in Taos had been hovering around twenty below zero for nearly a week, and this sudden concussion of coldness hit me like another blow as I stepped from the house. I lurched against the fender of our truck and had a brief vision of the milky way galaxy as specks of light frozen in a black void of lung-searing oxygen, then I was out cold, as they say.

This is hard to describe. I lived an entire human lifetime. Perhaps it was a memory of another life, because it seemed to take place in the Eighteenth Century -- lots of horse-drawn vehicles and people wearing period clothing. But that's not what seems important. What impressed me was that it was an entire life, from birth through old age and eventual death. And it progressed in "real time," -- it was not in any way speeded up. Yet, at the moment of my death at a relatively advanced age I awoke to find myself lying in a frozen Taos driveway next to the mud-caked tire of a 1970 Toyota pickup truck.

I had just fallen -- that memory came surging back like a tidal wave which washed away most (but not all) of the memory of my other existence. The "lifetime" had occurred between the moment I passed out and the moment I hit the ground, a mere second or two of "our" time. I managed to stand up, take a few gulps of frigid air, and make my way back inside. To get a "reality check" on my time-sense, I asked how long I'd been gone. Everyone cracked up in stoned laughter -- you just left for Christ's sake!

Then they saw my face and it was suddenly all solicitous concern -- here, you'd better lie down, do you want some water? Etc. They said that I had no color in my face at all. Although they were all still very stoned, I was stone sober.

(from Jim deKorne - Psychedelic Shamanism)

So, have you ever experienced something like this? (With or without the use of any substances). If so, how it was?

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A really interesting subject! Would be great if you have more similar reports to share.

[M0ng00se]

By god, swim wishes he could experience something like that.

Sorts of things like this make swim wonder about reincarnation....

[ollywithbeans]

It reminds me of The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, how they forget of their earthly existences whilst being royalty in the new realm.
Very interesting, swim would love to have that experience.

[humdroid]

WOW, thanks for posting those up.

Y's minor experience was being slightly ahead of time when coming down off some K.
Hard to desbribe.

Y asks if he would be understood if he were to say, it was like "A time-equivalent of Xray vision"
A friend texted him, and he 'saw it coming' in a manner of speaking, and at the time, this was perfectly normal to Y.

humdroid added 1 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

p.s. Y has had regressions back in time, apparently centuries.
To be honest, Y just said it was like he was making it all up as he went along. Y does keep an open mind though.

[dmtHELLA]

Well. It seems pretty clear to me that the First person experienced BRAIN DAMAGE
It's common knowledge that the sleeper hold stops blood flow to the brain which can permanently damage it. Well it seems pretty obvious to me that he experienced a bit too much brain damage and experienced a small case of amnesia due to this.

And I'm sorry to all you believers out there, but these things don't happen. People may believe it happened to them but it is all in their head.

Want proof?

Well the proof is simple, an entire lifetime could fill a thousand page book.
And the few details these people include are just basic settings. Then they simply conclude that they "lived there" and leave it at that. Well, if I lived an entire lifetime I think that I would be able to remember a few significant events and could talk about them for ages.

I'm getting more and more sick and tired of hearing this bs. Conentrate on the lives your currently living and push towards self-actualization instead of always seeking the impossible.

[ollywithbeans]

The people that had these experiences did not deviate their attention from their concious lives delibrately and hence were not seeking the impossible, not that visions and dreams are in anyway impossible during unconciousness anyway (sleeping). It seemscallous of you to disregard the subject deeming it trivial simply due to the sparse memories of particular details, how often have you ever remembered every detail of your dreams, I.E hours of memories? My guess is that you like most remember details here and there much like those that experienced these particularly vivid experiences. Considering on average 21 years of your lifetime you will be unconcious I advise you to value the time more and value others experiences aswell, it is possible to think about your waking life as well.

[Master_Khan]

Swim spent the years of 11 through 22 unconscious but he turned out more than alright. Sweet dreams to everyone tonight.

[dmtHELLA]

These people did not deviate no, but I am not speaking of these people. I am talking about the people WHO DO SEEK THESE. It is common knowledge that there are many people out there who desire to have these types of experiences and I too have had similar out of body/ elongated time periods. BUT the difference is that I can realize that it is my mind playing a trick on me and that, no, I didn't spend days riding the resonance of the Universe. It was an illusion brought on by the chemicals I chose to put inside my body.

And to answer your question on dreaming, I could recall nearly every detail in a truly vivid dream. But dreams are boring and happen quite often. Living an entire life, on the other hand, is NOT A BORING/ REOCCURRING EVENT. So, either the experiencers have the memory of a retarded person or they are simply MAKING IT UP.

I am sure the guy saw a beautiful city during the moments when HIS BRAIN COULD NOT FUNCTION DUE TO OXYGEN DEPRIVATION but this DOES NOT MEAN HE LIVED THERE.

How bout something as simple as a name? Can he not even remember his own name after an entire life of being called it?

As too the evidence, No, Lack of Proof does not mean it is not real.
BUT LACK OF PROOF DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS REAL EITHER

The few experiences such as these are exactly what they are described as. Read both experiences. That is all that happened to them. He saw a city, felt as though he lived there, and came back to consciousness experiences brain damage due to suffocation and did not recognize where he was. That was what happened.

And yes, he felt that and he saw the city, but it wasn't real. It was an illusion brought on by the mind.

I am all for mystical experiences and spirituality but at some point we all must draw the line.

And olly, I could write a longer trip report on my dream last night then any FULL LIFETIME REPORT. You may not see a problem with this but any man with logic will.

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simple sane good point

[coelho]

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

And yes, he felt that and he saw the city, but it wasn't real. It was an illusion brought on by the mind.

Well... as Morpheus said:

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you was so sure was real?

What if you were unable to wake from that dream, Neo? How would you know the difference between the dreamworld and the real world?

If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

[nateup]

Originally Posted by dmtHELLA

These people did not deviate no, but I am not speaking of these people. I am talking about the people WHO DO SEEK THESE. It is common knowledge that there are many people out there who desire to have these types of experiences and I too have had similar out of body/ elongated time periods. BUT the difference is that I can realize that it is my mind playing a trick on me and that, no, I didn't spend days riding the resonance of the Universe. It was an illusion brought on by the chemicals I chose to put inside my body.

And to answer your question on dreaming, I could recall nearly every detail in a truly vivid dream. But dreams are boring and happen quite often. Living an entire life, on the other hand, is NOT A BORING/ REOCCURRING EVENT. So, either the experiencers have the memory of a retarded person or they are simply MAKING IT UP.

I am sure the guy saw a beautiful city during the moments when HIS BRAIN COULD NOT FUNCTION DUE TO OXYGEN DEPRIVATION but this DOES NOT MEAN HE LIVED THERE.

How bout something as simple as a name? Can he not even remember his own name after an entire life of being called it?

As too the evidence, No, Lack of Proof does not mean it is not real.
BUT LACK OF PROOF DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS REAL EITHER

The few experiences such as these are exactly what they are described as. Read both experiences. That is all that happened to them. He saw a city, felt as though he lived there, and came back to consciousness experiences brain damage due to suffocation and did not recognize where he was. That was what happened.

And yes, he felt that and he saw the city, but it wasn't real. It was an illusion brought on by the mind.

I am all for mystical experiences and spirituality but at some point we all must draw the line.

And olly, I could write a longer trip report on my dream last night then any FULL LIFETIME REPORT. You may not see a problem with this but any man with logic will.

Rather niave of yourself to dismiss any possibility that the lack of detailed memory is due to some internal problem intagrating the experience. Many studies have shown the significance of mood (mood) and other factors on human's ability to recall.

I am not convinced that they really lived this entire other life, but I do believe from personal experience and scientific evidence that temporal perception can be greatly altered when unconscious. What may be percieved as a long time, including a large number of events can actually take place during a few minutes. Your perception while dreaming renders actual time basically obsolete. You are on a totally different system "in there". This is nothing new.

You really do sound silly and unaware. You don't have it all figured out any better than the morons who thought there was no way the earth was round.

There are many things, places, existences, dimensions of understandings, beings, and countless other phenoms that have not been explained or proven (or revealed to the public). Take a look at quantum mechanics then try and tell me that ANYTHING isn't possible. The flat-earthers will continue to look just as stupid as they have all throughout history.

I am not convinced of anything, but that goes both ways.

[Fat Cop]

Is there a source to all of this because I kind of agree with nateup. I mean if they lived an entier lifetime they could of atleast gave a better discription of it. Its just way too vague. Im not saying I dont believe in a possibility such as this, but Im saying that I dont trust the validity of these reports. Whoever wrote these didnt put much effort into them.

[dyingtomorrow]

With tripping SWIM has had experienced and seen perspectives that he knows weren't reality, but had their own version of everything that can't really be measured in time. I think your mind when unleashed can generated incredible amounts of data that would fill a hundred years worth of experiences, so it's not hard to imagine that it could cook up an artificial life time worth of stuff, perhaps after the fact. Makes you think about what this lifetime is and why time passes the way it does.