Dose - adderal XR info.

[user no 99]

if swiy is in possesion of adderal XR then swiy is in luck any questions on its reacreational use just ask swim.

as for dosage heres a table
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plateau................Mg
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light....................5-15
good...................15-30
strong.................30-50
heavy.................50-90
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now swim often takes doses of 60-80mg usually however, this is not recomended for unexperienced or intolerant people. pls note the above table is refering to the oral doses of thoroughly ground beads from the XR capsule disolved in water and drunk. the method for producing this "tweak cocktail" are quite simple just open the amount of XR capsules amounting to the desired dose and empty the beads into a bag or small container. then, crush the beads thoroughly (if u think uve crushed enough shake the container to see if there are still more beads). once uve ground the beads to a white powder, u can dump the seads into a cup of water, stir, and drink. the taste is kinda sweet/sour not biter and nasty. if its your first time doing this swim suggest not taking any dose above 30mg. swim suggest 15mg unless u have a tolerance from prescriptive use or non-recreational use.

this is a short article tomarrow or tuesday i plan on creating a complete guide since i have much knowledge on the subject and cant seem to find my knowledge on the internet im gunna post it.... not now its 2:42am on a school night...

disclaimer: i admit to no self incriminating acts or statements in this article. any misunderstandings negating this are products of human error on my own accord, i maintain innocence on any violations in the face of the law. i reserve my right to freedom of speech without dispute.

until next time... see ya future tweakheads...

user no 99 added 1128 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

here it is, its my:

Adderall Guide

base equivelence:
this term is the drug's equivalence to pure or "straight" amphetamine, since, in adderal, it is only found in mixed salts of amphetamine as levo- and dextro- amphetamines. the reason for these mixed salts is because each metabolize at different rates to make the drugs effects more subtle instead of abrupt like DMT or insufflated drugs. however, i measured the dosages in my previous post as the dose written on each pill added up NOT the base equivalent. a 20mg adderal pill has an amphetamine base equivalent of about 12.6mg.

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dose.........................base equiv.
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5mg..........................3.15mg
10mg.........................6.3mg
20mg.........................12.6mg
30mg.........................18.9mg
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other ingredients:
they add a few other ingredients to the pills and capsules to take up the space that would be taken up by amphetamine salts in higher doses. i.e. the pills remain the same size with decreasing dose. also, these ingredients provide stimulating effects and other things. these chemicals include caffeine and glucose. due to the glucose and some acidic ingredient (i havent identified this except through taste), adderal XR (im not sure if only XR has this) doesnt have an unpleasent taste. for this reason, swim prefers ingesting a "tweak cocktail" (as mentioned in my previous post) orally.

method of use:
there are many methods of use; however, i am only going to post swim's preffered methods and experimental methods.

1. oral
this is the standard administration however it is not the prefered method as it is inefficient, wasteful, and slow; however, it is easy and if u would like to use this method of administration i will provide information on different ways of oral use.

1a. standard
this method consists of simply taking Adderal in its normal (manufactured) form but, in excess. if taking XR in this method keep in mind that the dose on the capsule is the TOTAL DOSE not how much is released at a time. the rate that its released is such that only HALF the dose is active in your body at one time so you may need to take 2 times the dose you would normally take. not only that but the liver metabolism is not very efficient and much of the dose you ingest is lost in the process. so although the "high" lasts all day (and even night sometimes) the total accumulative dose released is VERY HIGH meaning the crash can be rather strong and tolerance temporarily boosted. this method is suggested to be used only with instant release tablets.

2. rendering
this term is in reference to rendering the pills contents to a powder, more specifically, rendering a powder (instant) from a time-release (or sometimes this is done with instant release tablets) substance. the easiest way to render adderal to a powder is: 1) if its an XR capsule open the capsule and empty the beads or for instant release the tablet or tablet pieces into your mortar or crushing container. 2) thoroughly crush the adderal XR beads or instant-release tablets with a hammer and shake container around to make sure they are completly crushed

2a. oral
this is the oral method of use is for rendered adderall powder. the way this method is done is by dissolving the powder in distilled water and drinking. this is my 'tweak cocktail.'

2b. (experimental method) sub lingual
sub lingual is latin for under the tongue. the way this would be done is by placing the powder under the tongue and leaving it there, move it around or whatever until it is disolved. it would supposedly work by absorbing the powder directly into the blood stream which would bypass the liver metabolism (which is inefficient) and the digestive process all together excepting of course saliva digestion in the mouth. this method has a similar method of delivery as gumming, snorting, and rectile supposition.

2c. gumming
the powder is rubbed between the gums and base of the teeth to absorb into the blood stream.

2d. snorting
the powder is layed out in a line or bump and then sucked into the nasal passage and lungs. it is then absorbed quickly through the bronchials and mucous membranes into the blood stream.

2e. rectile supposition
for this one i wont go into details. however i will state that this is the most efficient way to abosorb something into the blood stream without puncturing the skin.

dosage:
here i will review the dosage differences inbetween methods. refer too my original post's table for the dosages.

1a. dosage for XR is 2.5x higher and dosage for instant-tablets is about the same maybe about 5mg more.

2a. no change in dose.

2b. 1/2-1/3 less

2c. 1/2-1/4 less

2d. 1/2-1/3 less

2e. 2/3-1/2 less

to be continued...

i take responsability to any incriminating statements or acts.

if you have any questions about recreational adderall use just ask.

[Rise against]

Just wondering, you said that 50-90mg of xr is considered heavy use. Does this mean 50-90mg is considered heavy when taken all at once or over the course of a day? My doc instructed swim to start by taking 90mg a day for ADD (30mg, 3 times a day)... that was way to much for swim, he didnt sleep for a week, so he lowered his dose to 50mg per day.

Today swim ingested 170mg of xr over a 5 hour time span (120mg in the morning and another 50mg 5 hours later) btw, they were full tablets. Swim was wondering, is that is a dangerous dose, is there a chance that swim could drop dead from heart failure or something?- even though swim likes his adderall, he likes living more, lol. 80mg is usually enough to make swim feel good, although 150+mg makes swim feel even better. Swim is going to go the whole summer without adderall (since he's not in school) and is hoping to lower his tolerance.

You mentioned, "so although the "high" lasts all day (and even night sometimes) the total accumulative dose released is VERY HIGH meaning the crash can be rather strong and tolerance temporarily boosted."
Swim has terrible speed crashes, which involve depression, nightmares, shortness of breath, headaches, cravings, OCD, and even halucenations sometimes. So would crushing XR reduce the severeness of the hangover since it is not in the system for as long?

Sorry for all the questions... i am just a curious person.

[stratry]

Originally Posted by Rise against

Today swim ingested 170mg of xr over a 5 hour time span (120mg in the morning and another 50mg 5 hours later) btw, they were full tablets. Swim was wondering, is that is a dangerous dose, is there a chance that swim could drop dead from heart failure or something?

There are so many potential factors to take into account. Undoubtedly there is a chance of dropping dead, but SWIM would definitely predict "no" in SWIY's case as he is healthy and has a sizable tolerance for the drug. Of course, SWIY was seriously physically exerting himself, and SWIY knows all too well how his body responded to that. Ignoring the other factors involved, there are documented cases of people dying after taking much less than 170 MGs in a day. On the flipside, it's been established that amphetamine addicts can build up to and sustain a habit beyond a GRAM a day.

Originally Posted by Rise against

So would crushing XR reduce the severeness of the hangover since it is not in the system for as long?

SWIM's worst crashes have resulted from taking crushed XR pills, regardless of how they were ingested. Then again, even taken normally the extended release doesn't last as long as the instant release for SWIM. All SWIM can say confidently about crushing them is that, all factors considered, doing it regularly won't make for a better overall experience with the drug. The high will be shorter and SWIY will end up redosing throughout the day if for no other reason than to avoid feeling too shitty to function. Make sure to prepare the pill correctly if snorting. Not having any other drug experience, SWIY may want to familarize himself with what can result from doing this regularly.

[guru]

Originally Posted by Rise against

Just wondering, you said that 50-90mg of xr is considered heavy use. Does this mean 50-90mg is considered heavy when taken all at once or over the course of a day? My doc instructed swim to start by taking 90mg a day for ADD (30mg, 3 times a day)... that was way to much for swim, he didnt sleep for a week, so he lowered his dose to 50mg per day.

Today swim ingested 170mg of xr over a 5 hour time span (120mg in the morning and another 50mg 5 hours later) btw, they were full tablets. Swim was wondering, is that is a dangerous dose, is there a chance that swim could drop dead from heart failure or something?- even though swim likes his adderall, he likes living more, lol. 80mg is usually enough to make swim feel good, although 150+mg makes swim feel even better. Swim is going to go the whole summer without adderall (since he's not in school) and is hoping to lower his tolerance.

You mentioned, "so although the "high" lasts all day (and even night sometimes) the total accumulative dose released is VERY HIGH meaning the crash can be rather strong and tolerance temporarily boosted."
Swim has terrible speed crashes, which involve depression, nightmares, shortness of breath, headaches, cravings, OCD, and even halucenations sometimes. So would crushing XR reduce the severeness of the hangover since it is not in the system for as long?

Sorry for all the questions... i am just a curious person.

dont be sorry. curiosity is a bottomless pit i share with many. i must apologize however on behalf of user no 99's permanent ban due to his disregarding forum rules. i am his teacher and have as much if not more information then he does and will be happy to answer anyones questions. and share swims experiences. do not misunderstand what im saying, i am user no 99s successor and wish to spread any knowledge i have to offer. this means i will integrate his knowledge in my own words if necessary, he will not be allowed access to this account

i can answer all these questions tomarrow... but now its 1:15am and red (a hypothetical character) has court and needs sleep. i will answer asap tomarrow.

disclaimer: any rule violations found in my posts are unintentional. i intend to use this forum in full cooperation of its rules. i accept no responsibility for any illegal or rule-violating behavior. i maintain this disclaimer as an asset of my innocence.

guru added 32 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by stratry

There are so many potential factors to take into account. Undoubtedly there is a chance of dropping dead, but SWIM would definitely predict "no" in SWIY's case as he is healthy and has a sizable tolerance for the drug. Of course, SWIY was seriously physically exerting himself, and SWIY knows all too well how his body responded to that. Ignoring the other factors involved, there are documented cases of people dying after taking much less than 170 MGs in a day. On the flipside, it's been established that amphetamine addicts can build up to and sustain a habit beyond a GRAM a day.



SWIM's worst crashes have resulted from taking crushed XR pills, regardless of how they were ingested. Then again, even taken normally the extended release doesn't last as long as the instant release for SWIM. All SWIM can say confidently about crushing them is that, all factors considered, doing it regularly won't make for a better overall experience with the drug. The high will be shorter and SWIY will end up redosing throughout the day if for no other reason than to avoid feeling too shitty to function. Make sure to prepare the pill correctly if snorting. Not having any other drug experience, SWIY may want to familarize himself with what can result from doing this regularly.

that is a high dose but since it is XR it will be released in small increments never accumulating to more than half the dose at a time active in swiys system so what ever dose swiy would do with instant-release times 2 would be the proper dose but still just taking it normal sucks. first off, swiy cookin for a bad crash because even if it doesnt hit hard theres a high accumulated dosage so once its gone, boom, just cause the pill is time release dosent make the crash time release. 2nd, when taken normally in recreational doses the high doesnt just build and peak it really jumps around i think it may have something to do with the different amphetamine salts metabolising at different rates with diffrent effects disolved over time. i could go on but i really need rest so maybe next time...

guru added 8 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

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if someone who isnt you guys trys any of the methods on pg 1 or a different method they found successful please post their experiences.

im still learning too =]

guru added 2 Minutes and 50 Seconds later...

PLEASE be careful though overdose can occur before hitting that magic dose such that the feeling is weak but theres speeding heart, overheating, etc,

[stratry]

Originally Posted by guru

PLEASE be careful though overdose can occur before hitting that magic dose such that the feeling is weak but theres speeding heart, overheating, etc,

Maybe doubly so if taking an antidepressant. Even 150 MGs IR at once (this level has been experimented with many times, in other words it's not a one time thing), SWIM's pulse is barely above normal, even within what's generally assumed to be healthy/normal for someone not taking medication.

[Rise against]

Originally Posted by stratry

SWIM's pulse is barely above normal, even within what's generally assumed to be healthy/normal for someone not taking medication.

Wow thats surprising. Swim's heart rate usually raises into the 130 range... and sometimes even 150.

[Rise against]

Swim has a pretty high tolerance built to adderall, and he was wondering how long of a break he should take to lessen his tolerance. Usually it takes at least 100mg to make him feel good, he would like to lower his tolerance so that 50mg makes him feel good. So would a month or two beak be long enough to lower his tolerance?

Swim has one more question... After swim lowers his tolerance, how often can he have fun while still maintaining a low tolerance? Would getting sped up 2 times a week raise his tolerance?

[cra$h]

this is a lot of good info, and i'm diggin the statistical facts. It's a shame I can't give out some much deserved rep.

Swim's pushed a heart rate up to 170 and irregular. his parasymathetic nervous system (the one that speeds you up) was going crazy, but nothing swim hasn't experienced before with a slight overheating, and sweaty palms. Was this an overdose?

[Rise against]

Originally Posted by cra$h

this is a lot of good info, and i'm diggin the statistical facts. It's a shame I can't give out some much deserved rep.

Swim's pushed a heart rate up to 170 and irregular. his parasymathetic nervous system (the one that speeds you up) was going crazy, but nothing swim hasn't experienced before with a slight overheating, and sweaty palms. Was this an overdose?

how much did swiy take? But yeah it sounds like an OD since irregular heartbeat...

[cra$h]

swim forgets the exact dose, but pretty sure it was 60mg at once on the first day, 20 at night, then 100 speraticly the next, when it happend around 5pm.

[destinationowhere]

SWIM just got a prescription for sixty 20mg IR adderall generics. Today, he took five pills throughout the day, 3 of which were snorted. What SWIM does is take the pink little circular pills, smashes them with a credit card until its pretty finely powdered, then he chops up the remaining larger chunks intil its very fine. SWIM will take one pill orally and snort one. But the thing is that he doesn't really know if snorting the pills are actually working since he takes one orally along with it. SWIM really doesn't want to just snort the adderall, he takes one orally as an insurance policy kinda. He just wants to know if he is doing everything right when it comes to snorting adderall. Thanks for SWIY help!