Combinations - The Complete Guide to Shotties

[Bryan_J]

**Note, this guide is for informational use only. It is by no means intended to promote the use of any illegal drugs**

Many People have heard the term shottie, many have not. This guide is to help explain the idea behind the shottie, how to properly pack, and successfully hit it.

The Design

The Shottie (also known as the yottie, popper, or dazer) is a method of smoking marijuana, similar to a bong, the smoke is filtered through a chamber of water before inhaled. What makes it different than smoking out of a bong is the piece design. The idea of a shottie is to allow the contents of it pop through into the water completely smoothly when burnt. When done properly, gives a very sudden rush of smoke into the lungs and fresh air into the chamber.

The Piece

A shottie piece is usually homemade, but can be purchased anywhere really. All that is needed is a glass or metal tube the diameter of a standard cigarette, anywhere from 3 to 5 inches long. It's best to use high grade glass or stainless steel. Avoid aluminum or copper as they emit harmful fumes when heated, and resin likes to stick to it.

To make a shottie setup simply make a checklist of these items:
~500~ml pop bottle *The standard 591ml bottles work best due to the stronger structure. They prevent the bottle from collapsing upon suction*
~Shottie tube *This can be cleaned and maintained with simple cigarette filters being pushed through it*
~Ground up marijuana *Break it up about the consistency you would a joint*
~Cigarette of your choice *Brand taste doesn't matter very much in this case, the marijuana makes the taste hard to distinguish. King size work for a tighter fit. Make sure the cigarette is fresh and not moist.*

Optional items (but may save some aggravation)
~Razor or other cutting tool *Cuts smoothly for the tobacco*
~Compact packing tray/container *Helps with the packing of shotties*

The Bottle

The best trick to make a bottle is heat up a hole with a lighter roughly 2.5 inches from the bottom, with the bottle tilted sideways. Watch for the white bubbles around the hole. When hole is slightly smaller than needed, remove flame and immediately force the tube into the hole, without allowing the plastic to cool. Once the tube is in, push and pull it around to ensure a smooth fit. This is CRITICAL to a proper shottie, as you need a proper air tight fit.

Packing a Shottie

1) Take your cigarette and roll desired amount into the end of the tube. *The idea is to roll it in smoothly and allow the paper to slide cleanly down, leaving the tobacco intact.* For new users, 3 or 4 "lines" of the cigarette paper should be plenty. *Good tip is to press the edges of the paper slightly down to allow it to burn easier and not stay stuck to the side of the tube.*

2) Tip the tube and pack desired amount of marijuana ontop of the tobacco. Remember not to put too much in, there is still the tobacco that needs to burn as well. For new users, 2 clean full "dabs" should be enough.

Hitting a Shottie

There is a proper way to hit a shottie, and if not done right, will leave you puking, gagging, and getting EXTREMELY light-headed. With the tube properly submerged in water, light the shottie and brew slowly, making sure to keep an even line of smoke coming up the bottle. As the shottie burns, you will feel air come in easier, and the pull will be looser. When you are sure the cherry is burnt enough, or it starts to move down the tube, pull hard to pop it into the water. After it pops air should rush into the bottle clearing it instantly. It will take many attempts to get the perfect timing of when to pull hard. Too soon and it will burn hard and not pop, leaving you with a stale tasting hit and rushing for the bathroom. Pull to late and there is no rush effect inherit with shotties.

The Effects

Unlike many other methods of smoking marijuana, the shottie has distinct effects and they are immediate. The strongest of effects take place the second after you exhale. This effects will be lightheadedness, loss of balance, burred vision, body numbness, and accelerated heartbeat. This is purely the tobacco intake you body just experienced. No amount of cigarettes you smoke before hand will effect the feeling of the tobacco from a shottie. The water cools the smoke making it MUCH more dense. This cool dense smoke is passed through water, where it losses MUCH of its tar, harmful toxins, and a fair amount of nicotine. There is no physical way to get this much tobacco smoke in one intake without filtering it through water. This body numbness and dizziness will fade within minutes, and your regular marijuana high will ensue. Shotties are known to cause temporary wet mouth. It's usually best to spit this stuff out, as its nasty to swallow. They also contribute to a more calm tiring high, which is great for you late night smokers.

**Note, this guide is for informational use only. It is by no means intended to promote the use of any illegal drugs**

This person is new to the forums, and hopes that this guide has not been done, or is considered invaluable. Feel free to discuss the shottie, its pros and cons, and share tips to successful shotties.

Also, feel free to ask questions, or share misunderstanding with this guide. This person is happy to add, or improve upon this guide.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	good clear instructions and about the materials materials needed.
	really intresting thanks for posting this It's of great intrest to me. And it's answered many things I really wanted to ...
	Very useful guide, tried it with SWIM and got baked.

[Garethn]

it's an alright guide but making the water bong is what kidz do over here in the uk!

it's nice to see how other people do it because everyone has there own slightly different way of doing it....

over here swim use's a propa bong which tends to taste alot better... without gaws to suck it through we also drill the hole in the cone bigger so it falls through easier.

when picking a bong for the shottie you do need to know what your looking for as you already said small cone and tube nothing too big (it's not needed) the shorter the tube the easier it falls through..

also you kind lost swim when you got to the cigarette part here's what we do...
grab a kingsize cigarette of your choice
put lighter on low flame
and you want to cook the cigarette untill paper turns lightish brown(not too much or it becomes rather harsh on the throat if done properly it acctually tastes nicer)
loosen cigarette content into a bowl then mix with weed/hash
we also use a pin to help push it through if stuck in the cone...

there's gunna be a youtube video by swim on how to do shottie's soon....

here's swim in action....lol

Reputation Comments on this post:

useful instructions. great photo

[Bryan_J]

Those sound more like "bills" over here. We sometimes use the cone bowls, pack the tobacco on the bottom, and pack the weed ontop. But the method posted above is for a standard shottie, with a straight tube. Smoking in a cone with the cigarrette broken up doesn't have the same effect as the 'standard' shottie.

[flube]

Shotties have been in the uk for years. swim used to do double shotties, with two tubes, he was 11 at the time.

[hobgoblin]

Shotties can also be done by burning a hold in the top of a pop bottle, now burn the "stuff", and cover the hole with your thumb, then when you are sucking in remove you thumb from over the hole and then smoke will shoot into your lungs

hobgoblin added 2 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

forgot to add this, you also need a hole to suck through

[Bryan_J]

Originally Posted by flube

Shotties have been in the uk for years. swim used to do double shotties, with two tubes, he was 11 at the time.

A person believes they started in the UK aswell. They came to Canada a couple years ago, to the city of Orangeville, and have drifted south.

Originally Posted by hobgoblin

Shotties can also be done by burning a hold in the top of a pop bottle, now burn the "stuff", and cover the hole with your thumb, then when you are sucking in remove you thumb from over the hole and then smoke will shoot into your lungs

forgot to add this, you also need a hole to suck through

The burnt hole in the top doesn't allow the smoke to rush in through the bottom, coming from through the tube into the water. This is a much quicker way to clear a chamber. These are called chokes, carbs, and have other names.

The hole to suck through is obviously the top of the pop bottle or bong.

Originally Posted by Garethn

hmmm weather it dosen't have the same effect is debatable..... and swim would like to know how the effect is different you still suck it through all in one go..... you can also smoke more this way due to having a cone...

Yes, it is the same idea, you suck it through in one go. But with a cone, the way it is mixed, being thickest at the top, doesn't pop all through at once, giving the snapping rush.

Also Garethn, bongs can be substituted for bottles, the standard size tube will fit any standard stem piece. Bottles are usually used, like you said, for the dank messy water that collects. Why dirty up a bong for nasty tobacco resin?

Bills, are probably what you know best. The tobacco is pulled out of the filter and packed into the bottom of a CONE, than broken weed is packed ontop. Or, the broken up tobacco gets blended before going into the bowl. These usually pop through in chunks and give a nice good fat hit.

Observe my diagram I posted. As you notice, there is less friction and air turbulence with a shottie. The entire burnt cherry literally slides down the tube in one piece and pops into the water. That happens in a split second and all the fresh air rushes through that unblocked, unobstructed tube, right through the water clearing it instantly. With the cones, or any method where the cigarette isn't slid perfectly straight in, doesn't have that same effect.

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by Bryan_J

Yes, it is the same idea

(to me it sounds like this heres a cake but now its got a cherry on top it's not a cake anymore)

why use tobbaco you say... in a world where weed is rather expensive it's good to bulk it up with tobacco so swiy's weed lasts longer....

also if you know how to clean a bong properly it will last alot longer than a bottle and taste much better....

another advantage of using a bong is that because of the long neck the stale taste is less apparent... but when you use a small 500ml bottle your close to that stale waterr which would make you gag...

also without a cone there's a much greater risk of the substance just falling straight(definetly with first timers anyway) through before sukking it properly and due to having to suck the bong for longer(as you said theres more friction) this gives swim a much longer rush because of a mixture of what u inhaled and the lack of oxygen.....

it's like when you hold your breath for a long time you get a sort of buzz because of the lack of oxygen...

guess what swim is trying to say is there realy isn't much difference in the buzz swim has done the bottle shottie from the age of 12 and relized by the age of 16 the bong method is much nicer in swims view and thinks theres no difference in using a cone....besides the fact u can smoke more and the substance dosen't fall through as easy...

but the fact remains your standard shottie dose the job!!!


swim also rekons if swiy wants to step it up a gear try buckets pure of course....

also wat do you think of my profile picture lmao the tube was bit big fr swims likeing but it worked..

Garethn added 17 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

listen to this song at the end they describe how they suck soap bar through a bong lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCC1puOWa3k
3.20 mins into the song...

[Bryan_J]

(to me it sounds like this heres a cake but now its got a cherry on top it's not a cake anymore)

Think of it like a cupcake. Like a cake, but one piece, easy to eat and consume quickly.

why use tobbaco you say... in a world where weed is rather expensive it's good to bulk it up with tobacco so swiy's weed lasts longer....

Weed isn't rather expensive in my area, however, weed last much long if you smoke it cone or tube style, rather than joints or pipe bowls. Tobacco (if your a smoker, or just are used to the taste) is a simple way to get more lifetime from your stash)

also if you know how to clean a bong properly it will last alot longer than a bottle and taste much better....

Rubbing alcohol and salt is what a person has found works best for getting bongs spotless. A bottle is just a simple thing you can make, use for a few sessions, and recycle. Or if you are like A person, and have a clear pyrex two footer, shotties are just not smart in something like that.

another advantage of using a bong is that because of the long neck the stale taste is less apparent... but when you use a small 500ml bottle your close to that stale waterr which would make you gag...

A Person has used the taller 710ml bottles, or even the taller 1 litre bottles. Bigger is better, but only to a point. Now that A person has thought about it, he recalls the 710ml giving better results.

also without a cone there's a much greater risk of the substance just falling straight(definetly with first timers anyway) through before sukking it properly and due to having to suck the bong for longer(as you said theres more friction) this gives swim a much longer rush because of a mixture of what u inhaled and the lack of oxygen.....

The idea with the tube is they are fit that the cigarette is packed in tightly enough that when it heats up it will NOT move, unless it has been burnt enough and you are willing to pull it through on your own. When A person is hitting a shottie, he usually brews them for a good 30 seconds before popping them. The lack of oxygen is defiantly apparant, and the sudden rush gives an extra headrush. The whole idea and hype behind shotties is that you have the lung power to successfully pop one. Most newbies don't pop, and they are left with a NASTY feeling, which is usually followed by vomiting.

A person has done buckets and parachutes before. But a person prefers his marijuana filtered through water for the dense factor and smooth hit. Bongs, water pipes, water joints, shotties, cones, hookahs.

[Garethn]

hmmm weather it dosen't have the same effect is debatable..... and swim would like to know how the effect is different you still suck it through all in one go..... you can also smoke more this way due to having a cone... the only differents is the tobbacco is blended in with the substance which gives for a better taste in my personal view... it also bulks the mix up which makes your hash/weed last much longer.....

the 'standard' shottie that you refer to is something swim use to do wen he was very young and wen swim couldn't get a bong it was perfect! but swim also thinks this method is a pour way of smoking the bottle gets realy dank pritty quick after a couple and the taste of an ash tray starts to linger!....

A friend of swims went traveling to oz and the method swim described they used to...
they also called this a shottie! they also refered it as a "toot" realy don't think theres much differents besides the fact you can smoke more in a bong and clean it to re-use
also you don't have to use tobbaco these days swim smokes pure cones.....

"sorry if i put water on your fire" i realy like your post and as far as low standard quick on the spot shottie's go i think you hit the nail on the head maybe you could create a post for everyone describeing those "bills" you go on about would be interesting to see the difference....???

also shotties are perfect if all swiy can only get "soapbar" it's a realy effective way to get stoned....

hope you got ur rep point

[harrygoldfarp]

Originally Posted by Garethn

hmmm weather it dosen't have the same effect is debatable..... and swim would like to know how the effect is different you still suck it through all in one go..... you can also smoke more this way due to having a cone.

it is diffrent.. the idea of the ripped bit of fag is there act as a screen. swiy don't actualy smoke much of the fag baccy if done properly
what swiy is doin is a bong with weed/baccy thats not a shottie.. thats mingin.

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by harrygoldfarp

it is diffrent.. the idea of the ripped bit of fag is there act as a screen. swiy don't actualy smoke much of the fag baccy if done properly
what swiy is doin is a bong with weed/baccy thats not a shottie.. thats mingin.

"lmao" swim likes the way you still think sum scruffy lil bottle bong is the way forward if swim was jus smoken a bong swim would ram a gaws in the cone and if swim realy wanted to be a pussy he would pass the same cone lol but seeing as swim is sucking it through all in one just with a cone on top using 40% baccy to 60% weed ratio mixed swim personaly rathers the taste when the weed is mixed well with the baccy!(just because the herb is mixed with baccy makes no difference in my eyes your still havng to brew it up first and u still suck it through all in one! which is exactly what you do with a shottie except the fact your doing it with a bong not sum scruffy pop bottle which can almost tar up instantly if to small THATS MINGIN! plus it holds up perfect in the cone no screens needed..... lol enough this thread died ages ago.....

[porchy]

Originally Posted by Garethn

"lmao" swim likes the way you still think sum scruffy lil bottle bong is the way forward if swim was jus smoken a bong swim would ram a gaws in the cone and if swim realy wanted to be a pussy he would pass the same cone lol but seeing as swim is sucking it through all in one just with a cone on top using 40% baccy to 60% weed ratio mixed swim personaly rathers the taste when the weed is mixed well with the baccy!(just because the herb is mixed with baccy makes no difference in my eyes your still havng to brew it up first and u still suck it through all in one! which is exactly what you do with a shottie except the fact your doing it with a bong not sum scruffy pop bottle which can almost tar up instantly if to small THATS MINGIN! plus it holds up perfect in the cone no screens needed..... lol enough this thread died ages ago.....

SWIY is the first person SWIM has seen on this forum who also smokes "mulls" or a "mix"! Not surprising as they are both from the same principality. SWIM smokes this everyday and has found it to be by far his favourite method of smoking.

SWIM's spelling may be off today as his spell checker isnt working hehe.

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by porchy

SWIY is the first person SWIM has seen on this forum who also smokes "mulls" or a "mix"! Not surprising as they are both from the same principality. SWIM smokes this everyday and has found it to be by far his favourite method of smoking.

SWIM's spelling may be off today as his spell checker isnt working hehe.

yeah!!! lol you know the score! swim has his own 'mull crew' lol theres nuffin beter after a good hard night raven than going bak to the mull crew den for a heavy bong sesh hehehe....

[harrygoldfarp]

Originally Posted by Garethn

"lmao" swim likes the way you still think sum scruffy lil bottle bong is the way forward if swim was jus smoken a bong swim would ram a gaws in the cone and if swim realy wanted to be a pussy he would pass the same cone lol but seeing as swim is sucking it through all in one just with a cone on top using 40% baccy to 60% weed ratio mixed swim personaly rathers the taste when the weed is mixed well with the baccy!(just because the herb is mixed with baccy makes no difference in my eyes your still havng to brew it up first and u still suck it through all in one! which is exactly what you do with a shottie except the fact your doing it with a bong not sum scruffy pop bottle which can almost tar up instantly if to small THATS MINGIN! plus it holds up perfect in the cone no screens needed..... lol enough this thread died ages ago.....

LOL swim has done his fair share of baccy mixes.. and it is soooooooooo mingin.. LMAO swim and his bredders used to do baci mix buckets.

[cannabis-sam]

I can't stand those cone pieces gareth n is refferin two, the whole is two small, you don't suck as much air through and this imo impacts on the hit. The cone pieces with the larger wholes are ok.

But nothing's nicer than shottie, in a decent bong. Fuck smoking out of bottles.

[Bryan_J]

Originally Posted by harrygoldfarp

it is diffrent.. the idea of the ripped bit of fag is there act as a screen. swiy don't actualy smoke much of the fag baccy if done properly
what swiy is doin is a bong with weed/baccy thats not a shottie.. thats mingin.

Shotties are entirely based around the burnt tobacco. If you use it as a 'screen' that doesn't burn..you are not hitting a shottie, and it sounds like a pussy idea. Cones and bowls work great, and a person often does mixed bowls in the bong, tis a flavourful hit. Shotties arn't defined by the grimey water bottles that are used, they are defined by the straight tube that is used. Believe a person when he says a straight tube gives a MUCH different hit than a cone. Shotties in a bong are great, but you can't always see how it is brewing and may try to rip it too stretched, or pop it too premature.

[BrownStreakRailroad]

yeah the whole point of the shottie is the straight tube, whatever it may be leading into....and SWIY would want the tobacco as it is what gives the shottie its addictive-ness (if thats a word??) and powerful hit, SWIY really wanna be buyin a proper bong and ripping the cone off, buy a clear one if SWIY have trouble seeing when its ready to pop although SWIY get used to SWIY'r shottie and how it pulls pretty quickly if SWIY are a pro.....

[Garethn]

fare enough you hav made your point you hav obveousely had alot of time on your hands to think about this... i like cup cakes lol there still small cakes tho haha...

lol yeah the choke for the first timer is pritty bad but when u build a pair of iron lungs like swims self u can hit up any bong anytime anywhere anysize shotties arnt smart full stop. as you said vomiting nasty feeling the choke i say if your gunna do somthing... do it!!

don't mess around with bottles all day reaking of an ashtray try the cleanest way and most efective in swims mind! swims gelouse that weed is so cheap where ur at! because it deffinetly isn't here in the uk....

and yes swim is a smoker it's rare in the uk people smoke weed without tobacco.... also swim woudn't pack that shottie too tight or it just wouldn't work it will just block...and if the whole hype behind shotties is that you have the lung power to successfully pop one then just give swim 2....lol

swim also likes hookahs because theres no harshness to them at all....totally the opposite to shotties...

[Bryan_J]

Actually A person has been very stoned off many many shotties, starting up at the time he wrote that guide, which took all of 20 minutes. Shotties are an amazing way to get high, but he's always down for fat bowls in the pyrex.

There isn't a worry to pack one too TIGHT, just too long. The size of the tube allows the tobacco to slide in comfortably, and even slid down desired length to allow more room for the weed ontop. If you watch one burn, it burns evenly all the way down to the bottom of tobacco. Than as it ashes near the sides and top the cherry will have room to slide down.

[BrownStreakRailroad]

SWIM loves shotties and is pretty much all he smokes, he uses a perspex bong now, but back in the day SWIM would use a sprite/coke bottle 500ml, burn a hole with a cigarette 1/3 the way up from the bottom of the bottle, making sure the hole is perfectly circular. get a 500ml can of beer and cut with scissors a rectangle shape out of the can (the full length, half the circumfrence), trim any jagged bits and then roll into a straight tube after a little burning to remove any nasties and fluid. insert the tube into the hole in the bottle and let it expand to fit the hole perfectly. no hit hole will be required at the back. SWIM uses a small amount of rolling tobacco to plug the tube hole as SWIY dont need much and it expands to fit the hollow tube. then place as much bud or hash or both as SWIY require on top of SWIY suspended tobacco and burn til the whole cherry is glowing red, this should start to fall down the tube naturally and when it does start to fall, suck hard and hammer it in one!!! this should give SWIY a nice hit from the bong and the stoned effects are fairly instant, however the technique has to followed correctly as if SWIY dont hit it in one go....SWIY taste hot baccy and it isnt kind to SWIY throat, lungs or taste buds!! SWIM prefers this style shottie to the cone bong, he doesnt know why? when SWIM was younger he used to line up multiple shotties and smoke until he ran outta breath one by one!! crazy fool.

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by BrownStreakRailroad

SWIM loves shotties and is pretty much all he smokes, he uses a perspex bong now, but back in the day SWIM would use a sprite/coke bottle 500ml, burn a hole with a cigarette 1/3 the way up from the bottom of the bottle, making sure the hole is perfectly circular. get a 500ml can of beer and cut with scissors a rectangle shape out of the can (the full length, half the circumfrence), trim any jagged bits and then roll into a straight tube after a little burning to remove any nasties and fluid. insert the tube into the hole in the bottle and let it expand to fit the hole perfectly. no hit hole will be required at the back. SWIM uses a small amount of rolling tobacco to plug the tube hole as SWIY dont need much and it expands to fit the hollow tube. then place as much bud or hash or both as SWIY require on top of SWIY suspended tobacco and burn til the whole cherry is glowing red, this should start to fall down the tube naturally and when it does start to fall, suck hard and hammer it in one!!! this should give SWIY a nice hit from the bong and the stoned effects are fairly instant, however the technique has to followed correctly as if SWIY dont hit it in one go....SWIY taste hot baccy and it isnt kind to SWIY throat, lungs or taste buds!! SWIM prefers this style shottie to the cone bong, he doesnt know why? when SWIM was younger he used to line up multiple shotties and smoke until he ran outta breath one by one!! crazy fool.

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lol that was a waste of your time writing and my time reading if you wouldve read at the top "a person" has already explained all this..

[Bryan_J]

Please, A person would rather be called A person. Brown's input was not a waste. Beer/pop cans CAN be used if no shottie piece is around, a person has done it before. The aluminum does give the shottie a harsh taste, but if rolled edge to edge, the inside of the tube has a smooth overlap line that spirals down, stopping the shottie from getting stuck.

A person finds with a cone, he is more prone to get a little layer of tobacco on the bottom, and mostly weed ontop. With very high grade weed, a person doesn't like to rip cones back as they usually consist of a very generous amount of weed, getting a person very over-baked if he has responsibilities.

Also, have other people ever popped 'death' shotties? (just tobacco, no weed) A person finds a quick snap of that will help him relax and lay down for bed, or if he wakes up with no weed after a night of burning, snaps a quick death shottie to boost the body buzz still present the next early morning.

[BrownStreakRailroad]

Originally Posted by Garethn

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lol that was a waste of your time writing and my time reading if you wouldve read at the top "a person" has already explained all this..

well sorry to bore SWIY with an alternative method which, ok most info had been posted previously, but the beer can tube is genius for emergencies, as are old style car ariels!! with regards to the 500ml bottles, there are brands that have wider mouth pieces which make the bong easier to take!! but if SWIY welsh farmers are only gettin shitty soapbar (goldie lookin' chain) its gonna taste like shit whatever way SWIY wanna smoke it!! Boyo. oh and to the OP, when burning a hole in the bottle for the tube to go in, instead of using a lighter, use a cigarette, as SWIM mentioned before, as SWIY get more control over the size of the hole, just dont inhale the ciggy smoke obviously!!

[Garethn]

thats what swim likes to here! swim is hoping to visit canada he may hav 2 pop by and get sum lessons in....

[Garethn]

swims sorry Mr.person swim assumed everyone new this already....


swim supposes anykind of drinking bottle/can can be used aslong as you can put the tube in at the right angle/position and seal it!

'death' shotties yes swim has! and swim knows what that person is talking about when it cum's to the effects! swim says it can be harsh somtimes swim also finds it a bit of a hit and miss sum times swim is buzzing from it others swim is tired...

people round swim call this a "backy shottie" backy being short for tobacco......

i suppose 'desperate shottie' would be a good term too hahaha