Purity - What is actually in soapbar I want facts

[cannabis-sam]

Apart from websites giving no links to sources, and with ages spent trying to find a foresnic analysis as mentioned in another thread I would like to try and find what contaminats are proven to be found in soapbar. I also want to find if there are common adulterants (apart from henna obviously).

I used the search engine but couldn't find a thread on it apart from the sticky in the cannabis section on gritweed.

I hate prohibition it's gives us shite like this.

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Excellent idea for a thread. We need more info on just how bad soapbar is.

[Alfa]

This would be interesting to find out. I do rember threads on this topic. But it would be good to know how soapbar is made.

[cannabis-sam]

From CC guide:

While reading Robert Connell Clarke's excellent book, Hashish, we came across a section on low-grade export quality Moroccan hash, known in the UK as Soap Bar. It seems that soap is made from only a very small percentage of resin glands (referred to as pollen), and up to 90% non-resin cannabis plant material which is bound together with bee's wax or pine resin and condensed milk as the mixture is too dry and powdery to be bound any other way. As the mixture is very green due to the high percentage of plant material, it is then coloured with instant coffee or henna to give it that sandy brown colour! In order to give it a slightly resinous look, turpentine is then added, which also disguises the taste!
Well, as growers with an abundance of leaf material left over from a crop, we couldn't help ourselves. We had to give it a try!
We sieved off 10 grams of resin glands (pollen), crushed up 200 grams of dried leaf and ran it through a sieve to reduce it to a very fine powder. We then heated this mixture in a bowl over boiling water and added 5 grams of bee's wax, five teaspoons of condensed milk powder, one teaspoon of turpentine, and a couple of pinches of instant coffee powder for colour. We continued to knead the heated mixture into a dough-like form, then pressed it under pressure and allowed it to cool. It bonded well into rock hard lumps, just like Soap Bar! To our delight, when we tested it with a flame, immediately we were treated with that old familiar smell of grade 'A' genuine Soap Bar! Crumpled like it too! Although there was virtually no resin glands in this so-called hash, we gave some to a friend and he had no complaints!!

However this is an anecdotal report and it certainly doesn't tell us what is actually found in soapbar, it is only a guess.

I then found these pictures of how this above mixture was made and it certainly does not look like soapbar SWIM has seen, which is very dark brown and shiny on the outside and a sort of greyish brown colour on the inside.

[Garethn]

hahahaaa i was just gunna post that exact quote.... swim thinks the only way swimmers could find out if this is true is by actualy making it...personaly swim thinks you probably won't be able to find out whats acctualy in soap bar due to batches changing all the time every time they make it they could be almost adding whateva is at hand! remember it's a money making thing so there could be different random stuff added all the time making it hard to find out what is actually in soapbar...

seen tho's pic's and swim dosent get soapbar like that it looks moist and the stuff swim could get was dry and hard like rock.....

[cannabis-sam]

Yeah, different batches, different producers different supply lines but SWIM has seen tons of soapbar and it all looks exactly the same, the stuff that's as cheap as a bag of chips to the stuff that's half the price of bud, all exactly the same, although SWIM does live near a major port so guesses alot is smuggled in from the same source. But even then it varies slightly. But always dark and shiny on the outside, SWIM saw some recently that his hash dealer was selling, imprinted with a picture of a flower and european flag, this is different to what he normally see's (although the european flag imprint is pretty common with various other stamps) anyway this hash SWIM saw recently came in a bar about 3/4 of an inch thick and the contaminats could clearly be seen when the bar was cut(SWIM would also like to add this soapbar did not crumble at all) ,SWIM could see the light brown was the main mass and dotted in bettween and at some points completely dissolved were like these little dots about the size of a small ballbearing,although SWIM doesn't smoke it his source is pretty trusted and she let's SWIM look at what he's getting and is pretty honest about wheather it's shite or not.

But still this doesn't prove what is in soapbar.
Out of intrest what do other people's soapbar look like?
I've been through pages and pages on soapbar and I can't find anything more substantial than hearsay. Has an analysis actually been done?

[Alfa]

Does anyone have pics?

[cannabis-sam]

This is almost identical to what SWIM see's very regularly, albeit slight variation of the interior of the bar. Notice the very shiny exterior, this appears on the edge of all soapbar hash SWIM has seen, usually slightly darker and slightly shinier though. Also SWIM finds that when he get's real hash the edges are duller in colour not shiny at all.

SWIM will ask to photograph the bar mentioned in previous posts, tomorrow when SWIM see's his dealer again.

I added another picture I found on the internet which is even close in resemblance to the soapbar SWIM always see's

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by cannabis-sam

I added another picture I found on the internet which is even close in resemblance to the soapbar SWIM always see's

hmmm that hash looks rather nice to swim compared to wat he calls soapbar...
the second photo looks alot like the fish bar i tryed to describe...

imagine sumthing like this but shineyer with a tint on green too it...
and square with jagged edges not round....

[hyperbolical]

Originally Posted by Garethn

hmmm that hash looks rather nice to swim compared to wat he calls soapbar...
the second photo looks alot like the fish bar i tryed to describe...

imagine sumthing like this but shineyer with a tint on green too it...
and square with jagged edges not round....

Mmmm. Squidgy black hash, very nice. Good black hash when you open it up is brown on the inside, smells of skunk and slowly turns back to a black collour from brown because the air contact oxidisese the hash....i think.

Anyways swim is sorry for going off topic but that pic made me drooll hehe! Well swim used to smoke soap when desperate but now he wouldent touch the shit with a 10Ft barge pole. Swim thinks soap is pretty prevalant in the UK because there is a market for the younger generation who don't know good hash like bubble, pollum or black hash's if it smacked them in the face. For example swim offered someone he knew (age about 18 swim thinks) a smoke of nice afghani hash, and do you know what he said? Something along the lines of "fuck that shit il stick to my own (soap) pot!". Swim tried explaining the dangers of Soap, but it fell on deaf ears. Oh well swim tried.......

PS swim is not saying all of british youth are igronant to the shittyness of soap, just a fair amount. Also swim started to toke at about the age of 13 and he was just as igronant and was smoking soap, till swims dad found out he toked soap and enlightend (sp?) him to the joys of good and bad smoke. Swim thanks his wise old dad, cheers dad!

[Garethn]

dunno about analysis but heres a few types swim has come accross...

100 gram bar printed on top 007 logo

realy realy dark almost black outside with a green tinge and slightly lighter on the inside....this stuff didn't crumbe verywell unless burnt too much...

dunno weight but it had a fish printed on the front...

this was more of a general brown all over inside and out did crumble better (than 007) but still not as good as it should also it did have a milky smell wen burnt but swim supposes we hav figered wat that....

100 gram bar plane no logo blonde came packed in plastic as if professionaly done

this stuff was was by far sum of the best swim has had in the uk it was nice and soft when swim got it also when left it became a darker brown and when heated became blonde again realy nice smell....

the standard usual stuff is almost black with green tinge no logo 100 gram bars and like a grayish greenish inside rockhard and almost impossible to crumble properly...
also you tend to find lil balls of rolled up plastic inside not nice uhhh....

other small bits swim has seen....

dark brown with lighter brown bits init also smelt milky
black rubbery stuff which was realy oily and actually smelt like oil

[cannabis-sam]

Generally how it crumbles is a good indicator, the standard pollen SWIM buys is usually similar strength to good bud and usually sticks to his finger when he touches it, stickyness is generally a good sign, soapbar in SWIM's experience always feels quite dry. SWIM finds with aforementioned pollen that a seconds flame from a lighter is enough for it to fluff beautifully. Soapbar the lighter must be held there until it sets on fire and even then it comes out in lumps. Horrible stuff.

[irishdude5186]

SWIM grew up with soap bar and so little knowledge

Dirty dirty stuff indeed.

[jameslewis]

is there anything that can b used as a binder that is safe swim is thinking of doing some 4 himself cos he will improve it but dont wana poison himself

jameslewis added 1 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

maby equal weight hash oil and powderd bud with a little leaf as a filler

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	Cutting drugs? We want less of this on our streets not more. If you cut good cannabis you're a cunt. Don't make stupid p...
	please write in English

[cannabis-sam]

is there anything that can b used as a binder that is safe swim is thinking of doing some 4 himself cos he will improve it but dont wana poison himself

jameslewis added 1 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

maby equal weight hash oil and powderd bud with a little leaf as a filler

WTF? why would you want to do this. Just why? Why would you want to make soapbar, other than to rip people off, it's people like you who are ruining the cannabis trade.

[jameslewis]

Originally Posted by cannabis-sam

WTF? why would you want to do this. Just why? Why would you want to make soapbar, other than to rip people off, it's people like you who are ruining the cannabis trade.

SWIM said,
"If u read properly i wish 2 do it 4 myself and plan 2 use an epual mix of oil and bud with a LITTLE bit of leaf as a fill witch wen u think about it wil improve the bud i do not and wil not sel anything and just wanted some info on anything i could use 2 help bind it 2gether if it wont"

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	Try not to incriminate yourself mate.
	Please read the rules about self incrimination. Write in english, please.
	I tried to read properly but i cud nt underztand

[Fango]

I think what SWIJL is trying to say is "Does anyone know how I can take oil, bud and leaf and mix them up into a soapbar kind of thing, without the compromised quality"

Personally SWIM is not sure, if could be possible to use that method above if you feel the need to dilute your gear to make it last longer? Or if like the article says, have loads of left over leaves that you want to do something with.

SWIM lets the guy growing the gear deal with how its put together, Its a sad fact of life that until SWIM is living somewhere a bit bigger, growing his own is out of the question, so he just has to go with whats available.

[jameslewis]

Fango u understand rite swim is just trying 2 save a buck and has achived what he set out 2 do with excelent results using equal parts BHO+bud+resin glands+ 1/10th leaf powder with a bit of pressure

[cannabis-sam]

Good hash should bind together without the need of binders when heated the resin glands melt together.

[jameslewis]

Wot swim has ended up with bound 2gether with some heat and pressure quite nice and it is quite an improvment on the poop bud he had.
Swim is also sory he gave the wrong impresion will try and word it better next time

[harrygoldfarp]

thats the stuff

[harrygoldfarp]

chopped

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	Pictures are spot on, thanks.
	Good image. Looks typical from any soapbar SWIM has encountered.

[hyperbolical]

Originally Posted by harrygoldfarp

thats the stuff

Yep, this is your standerd, crappy soap. They useyally have a weight of about 9 onces (250 grams, a quater of a killo), hence the nickname "9 bar".

[cannabis-sam]

-The one thing about soapbar is it doesn't taste too bad, if it's not the worst of the worst, therefore it is very useful to smoke whilst on ecstasy, as smoking quality cannabis on MDMA is a waste, seeing as you can barely feel the high. So the police constable will smoke it whilst he's rolling. But as a general rule, and his advice to everyone is. Don't touch it with a fucking barge pole.

[bmxjunkie]

The real question is "what isn't in soap bar?" and the answer to that is cannabis.

[Nature Boy]

I really don't understand why anyone would even try to sell soapbar. In terms of quality, it's obviously shit but the sheer bulk of the product doesn't seem worth the hassle. Why would anyone want to load boxes full of 9 bars onto a van or whatever and risk far higher penalties than someone who could supply a smaller amount of higher quality hash at a more profitable price. It really is the shit end of the stick when it comes to the cannabis world. Sleazy dealers and ignorant customers. It's a damn good thing that its popularity has declined but the knock-on bad news is that more popularised weed means lower quality at times. When soapbar use was at its peak, weed was cheaper and a lot stronger. It was a niche product for shrewd customers.