Heroin cut with ketamine

[kaloochi]

Swims had some gear recently that's cut with what could be ketamine. When he had it he done some weird out of character things. It caused him to black out in the sense he can't remember anything. His flat looked like a burglar had been in and trashed the place, and he was arrested for something really petty. There's other stuff too.
Swims never used ketamine before and is quite ignorant of its effects. Googling it found that amnesia is one of it's effects.
Someone told him they'd heard there was some gear around that was cut with this. It was bought in South East London and is to be avoided like the plague. It was in rock form and greyish in colour. It had a taste about it but he doesn't think that's necessarily the K as he's tasted that in other gear.
Does anyone know anything about this?

[jon-q]

You'll get a much better response if you had posted this in the Heroin sub-forum.
Don't re-post, hopefully a moderator will move it for you.

[rogerrinseout]

Round my ways (worcester) there was gear that had people behaving in all sorts of crazy manners when shot. A guy swim knows got arrested then sectioned for strutting round asda naked after bangin' up in his van!!
I personally didn't come across it (thank god) but I know it was knocking some peeps out for like 24 hours.

rogerrinseout added 0 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

This was a couple months back now btw but certainly sounds similar.

[Garethn]

wow ket & h must be right off the wall...

[mashed]

thats quite worrying...
is there any way to tell if youre H is cut with it?
thanks

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by mashed

thats quite worrying...
is there any way to tell if youre H is cut with it?
thanks

Not that he knows of. His first post describes this particular bit of gear.
It's scary just blacking out like that, no recollection whatsoever.

[Wallet]

My house plant did ketamine once. It was years ago and never mixed with h. Definately a weird experience. Totally out of body and at one point she forgot how to walk!

Why would anyone cut h with ketamine? Wouldn't that be expensive?

[mashed]

Originally Posted by Wallet

Why would anyone cut h with ketamine? Wouldn't that be expensive?

true i supposed k would by quite exspensive

[xxdan123xx]

Swim one time used k (in search of H but to no avail). It was quite an odd experience almost like benzos but not quite. Any way later that night he found his H and shot a load. Well a good 18 hours later he came too with no memory and most of his stuff left which was nice.

[SmokeNmirrors]

Wow swim never heard of K being used as a cut for H that's pretty crazy and sounds pretty dangerous.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim agrees with SmokeNmirrors, cutting H with K would be dangerous. For one K is meant to be put in the muscle and not into the vein. Swim may be wrong about this since he is just going off of what someone told him some time ago but putting K into a vein can be dangerous in itself. Now lets look at it in the light that thats not the case. K puts you way down and out to the point of blacking out and things of that nature. You add a good amount of H to that scenario and you can attempt to predict the outcome. Swim doesnt see it being any good.
Swim also had a friend that was hanging out with him one day. His friend had been doing H all day long and swim had a bunch of K he had been getting high on. When his friend came over swim gave him a couple of lines of K and swims friend got in a really scary spot. He thought he was dying, he was crying and even asking to be held. (someone has got to be pretty scared to get to that point)
All in all, swim thinks H and K together are a very bad idea

[SmokeNmirrors]

Yeah swim also heard K is meant to be IM'd not IV'd.

[m.swinehart81]

Definitely so... Swim has heard people talk about IV'ing K but swim thinks that its not true. As far as swim knows K being Iv'd is very dangerous or at the very least doesnt give the sought after effect

[kaloochi]

He smoked it, and just as well really if whats being said about IVing K is true. Smoking it was bad enough. It did occur to him that cutting H with K wouldn't be cost effective and he doesn't know for sure if that's what the cut was, someone told him they'd heard of some gear around that was cut with it.
If it's not ketamine, what else would give that effect?

[harrygoldfarp]

sure it wsnt a combination of h and benzos and alchohol.. sounds like it

[kaloochi]

Does sound like the effects of that combo doesn't it, but no it wasn't. For one he doesn't drink, although gear and benzos, indeed just benzos would do it. It WAS just the gear. He's thought about the cut being benzos but it was different to that buzz. To get that sort of effect from benzos would take him at least 70, 80, 90ml+, and could you get that amount of benzos in a £20 bag of smak?

[Wallet]

What does im mean as far as doing K?

By the way, did not know that K could be smoked. My house plant has only snorted it.

[kaloochi]

IM = Intramuscular

[pinksox]

that's pretty crazy and sounds pretty dangerous

It is dangerous as Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic used largely in the veterinary field on horses to sedate or completely knock them out and off their feet for surgery.

It's used a bit in human medicine as well. But SWIM finds patients can often come out of this anesthesia very disoriented and more often combative than they do with other anesthetics. It's now being used in chronic pain management in low doses as well due to it's affinity for NMDA receptors.

In SWIM's opinion, used as an H cut at an unknown, probably too strong, dosage is extremely dangerous and effects could range anywhere from giving the person a dissociative trip where they happen to still be walking, talking, and interacting with their "perceived" environment...often in a hostile manner(for some reason K seems to provoke hostility in many people) to being completely knocked out or even overdosed on K and then suffering respiratory depression/arrest from the H...although, at anesthetic doses, Ketamine has a positive effect on increasing the respiratory drive...which may be the philosophy that drives some deals to cut H with K. Effect on respirations are somewhat dose dependent and could perhaps have a negative effect lower doses. That's something SWIM has to read up a bit more on however.

Unknown cuts, like K, are probably the main reason SWIM's kitty never ventured into street drugs of any sort.

SWIM unknowingly had Ketamine ONE time during oral surgery many years ago. She awoke very agitated, grumpy, and aggressive. And acted in a manner very unlike her for hours and hours after. In fact, she didn't feel fully like herself for a good few days afterwards. She was pretty pissed the oral surgeon used Ketamine on her without her knowledge or consent.

[kaloochi]

AF has just spoken to a friend [XXXX] who had the same batch and it turns out that it definately IS ketamine because a hospital tested someone who went over badly on it. The results came back as ketamine, barbs [XXXX couldn't specify which] and something beginning with A [again couldn't specify but not amitriptyline]]. It's the k that's most important to know anyway. The tests also came back as negative for heroin, there was none in it at all.
One thing that makes it so dangerous is that you can't feel it coming on you. One minute you're fine and the next you're completely gone, out of the game. Extremely dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.

[Wallet]

Originally Posted by kaloochi

AF has just spoken to a friend [XXXX] who had the same batch and it turns out that it definately IS ketamine because a hospital tested someone who went over badly on it. The results came back as ketamine, barbs [XXXX couldn't specify which] and something beginning with A [again couldn't specify but not amitriptyline]]. It's the k that's most important to know anyway. The tests also came back as negative for heroin, there was none in it at all.
One thing that makes it so dangerous is that you can't feel it coming on you. One minute you're fine and the next you're completely gone, out of the game. Extremely dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.

So this person thought they bough H but in reality it was just a mixture of the above drugs? If that's the case that is terrible!

Oh and yeah, there is no slow onset with ketamine. It just hits you like a brick wall and suddenly you are a foot tall and everything looks like you are in a funny mirror

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by Wallet

So this person thought they bough H but in reality it was just a mixture of the above drugs? If that's the case that is terrible!

Oh and yeah, there is no slow onset with ketamine. It just hits you like a brick wall and suddenly you are a foot tall and everything looks like you are in a funny mirror

Exactly that Wallet. AF bought it too on 2 occasions. The last one he remembers sitting at home chasing it thinking to himself 'this isn't the dodgy gear 'cos I [AF] feel fine' and then BAM. Next thing he's being revived by a concerned person who'd come round because he wasn't answering his phones. There's no onset at all, AF means NONE. Terrible and frightening.

[rogerrinseout]

Sounds awful, was this your friend Af's normal guy?

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by rogerrinseout

Sounds awful, was this your friend Af's normal guy?

Yes but he hasn't been back since. AF told the guy when it happened the first time round that his gear was dangerous to people and what was in it etc but the fucker continued to sell it. AF spoke to him today and asked if he still had it but the guy said no, that he'd got rid of it. AF thinks the dealer has heard more horror stories now so has had to stop cos word has spread and he can't sell it. It's highly unlikely because he's concerned for his punters. AF still didn't score off him.
I've posted about this and what happened to a couple of people who'd taken it in another thread in this same sub forum called 'Heroin batch death risk warning' Don't know if it's the same bit of gear we're talking about but it's relevant all the same.